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Frank Seravalli " Worst GM Award , Jarmo Kekalainen, Mike Grier a close 2nd" Agree or disagree?
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TheNumber4
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Why all the Frank hate? He’s not wrong here.
Jarmo has failed CBJ. That’s an easy call.
Year ago I was wondering what kind of rebuild is Grier even doing here? He’s like stuck between a retool and a rebuild and it’s so obvious it’s a tank over there. Other teams that tanked proper loaded up during Dead Cap era while he sat on his hands.
Jarmo has failed CBJ. That’s an easy call.
Year ago I was wondering what kind of rebuild is Grier even doing here? He’s like stuck between a retool and a rebuild and it’s so obvious it’s a tank over there. Other teams that tanked proper loaded up during Dead Cap era while he sat on his hands.
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Maybe relative to Allvin. But I think taking that out of it, Chia's got to be worse.
Lucic for 6Mx7.
Koskinen for 3.5Mx3
Schultz for a 3rd Rd Pick
1st and 2nd for Griffin Reinhart (who was already close to busted at the time of trade)
Eberle -> Strome -> Spooner
Constant failed attempts at depth scoring.
Trading for the guy who injured McDavid
Not Shopping Taylor Hall. What kind of GM doesn't shop around.
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Nope
Eriksson 6x6
Beagle and Roussel 3mil x 4 years
Juolevi over Tkachuk
Virtanen over Nylander/Ehlers
9th overall + 2nd for OEL (bought out) and Garland (overpaid on his next contract)
33rd overall (our scouts apparently liked DeBrincat) + McCann (40 goal scorer) for Gudbranson and then signing him to a 4mill x 3 year contract
Forsling for Clendening
Let Tanev and Toffoli walk as UFAs in favour of signing Holtby and Virtanen
2nd round picks for Vey, Baertschi
Sutter trade and unearned huge contract extension
Not trading pending UFAs when the team was eliminated from contention like Hamhuis, Vrbata, Ryan Miller, etc.
A ridiculous amount of 3rd/4th round picks traded for trash (Pedan, Larsen, Dickinson - bought out, etc).
These are just off the top of my head.
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Is average the name of the second worst GM in the league? Because if it is I agree. He is below him.
Chuck Fletcher was so bad last season he should automatically get the award again this year. Maybe next year too.
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I would say they're tied for first
To be fair, he's only been GM since 2020. But he's well on his way to being what you stated.
Not sure what Grier has done to be in that conversation.
Treliving, Adams & McFarland have all been far worse since he arrived in SJ
Treliving, Adams & McFarland have all been far worse since he arrived in SJ
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True but Linden overruled him on the Pettersson pick. He wanted Cody Glass LOL
I agreed with this then and agree with it now. Hated the “one and done” all in approach.
It’s become very clear to me that the Jackets problems run much deeper than Jarmo and JD — who are also problems. They have absentee ownership that quite frankly doesn’t seem to give a shit about winning.
I just can’t rationalize how any owner truly invested could put up with these kind of results the past decade and do nothing.
What is even more baffling is it’s not like they’re cheap skates either — while they don’t max the cap they do spend money.
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This award is to pierre dorion what the selke is to bergeron.
Now that they're out of the league, someone else finally has a chance to win it.
Now that they're out of the league, someone else finally has a chance to win it.
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Not really. We can have an honest discussion without making things up.
This has to be JK. The way he constructed his team is/was destined for failure. Starting with trying to stay competitive by by acquiring players that were not going to put them in a position to be a legitimate playoff team instead of acquiring solid pieces for the future.
A market like Columbus needs to build through the draft and keep their pieces. Not many players who go to market put their hand up to go to Columbus, they're not the only market like that and all of them work under that constraint. You draft guys, have them under team control for 7+ years and by that point they've built a life in Columbus and get to know the area, they have some attachment and loyalty towards the team (not all - but certainly more than players acquired through trade). That's how a team like CBJ should be built. Not trading valuable picks for players when they're a bottom team. Ottawa made the same mistake twice! In the last 2 years and that will set them back for years to come.
I don't necessarily blame him for signing Gaudreau because how many "big time players" would want to go there? Not many, and with cap space it's a risk but I understand why he did it. Most other trades though are questionable, maybe not value wise but the players he targeted were not going to be a fit. This team is like the misfit group. JK tried to get all kind of players and that group just has no identity. No centers either.
A market like Columbus needs to build through the draft and keep their pieces. Not many players who go to market put their hand up to go to Columbus, they're not the only market like that and all of them work under that constraint. You draft guys, have them under team control for 7+ years and by that point they've built a life in Columbus and get to know the area, they have some attachment and loyalty towards the team (not all - but certainly more than players acquired through trade). That's how a team like CBJ should be built. Not trading valuable picks for players when they're a bottom team. Ottawa made the same mistake twice! In the last 2 years and that will set them back for years to come.
I don't necessarily blame him for signing Gaudreau because how many "big time players" would want to go there? Not many, and with cap space it's a risk but I understand why he did it. Most other trades though are questionable, maybe not value wise but the players he targeted were not going to be a fit. This team is like the misfit group. JK tried to get all kind of players and that group just has no identity. No centers either.
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I mean their core of Chara, Bergeron, Lucic, Marchand, Thomas, etc. was already part of the organization by the time Chiarelli took over as GM.
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Chara was brought in by him and they had the inside track because of his relationship with the agent from when they were both Ottawa. 2006 draft he had influence too. Lucic has stated he credits chiarelli as having drafted him. When you take over the team 5 years before they win you get credit otherwise you can discredit virtually every GM.
So the sharks aren't tanking hard enough? And grier sucks because he... hasn't traded the prices keeping them competitive like hertl and couture... who both have nmc on contacts that... Grier didn't sign?
this is a pretty braindead take, but I suppose that's on brand for Frank
this is a pretty braindead take, but I suppose that's on brand for Frank
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Chara was a Chiarelli signing (unofficially because of the sanction with leaving Ottawa but it's the worst kept secret).
Chiarelli brought in:
Chara
Seidenberg
Horton
Boychuk
Ference
McQuaid
Recchi
Kelly
Peverley
Thornton
Campbell
Ryder
Seguin
Kaberle
And hired Julien.
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Yeah my bad - I read his Wikipedia page incorrectly as it flipped between him and Gorton on acquisitions made.
That’s fair, he deserves credit for the Cup. I wouldn’t say he was responsible for all of the core as Thomas was MVP and Bergeron/Krejci/Marchand were instrumental as well.
As an aside, it’s funny when some people use the same argument for Jim Benning. If I recall correctly, he was AGM and largely in charge of scouting. Aside from Seguin, Hamilton, and Grzelcyk, he didn’t draft any real NHLers despite being there for 7 drafts.
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Lmao why is Grier mentioned? He took over one of the worst teams in the league and was expected to still be the worst team in the league. We can't judge him til a few years after what he has started to build.
In his first draft, his first 3 picks were Will Smith, Musty and Haltunen. That's a pretty good start to his tenure.
In his first draft, his first 3 picks were Will Smith, Musty and Haltunen. That's a pretty good start to his tenure.
