Value of: Framework of a Auston Matthews trade?

[Sypher04]

A place that seems like a good landing spot is Anaheim.

They have Zegras, Terry, Mintukov, Drysdale etc...I think Matthws would re-sign there but obviously Anaheim would need to know ahead.

Zegras-Matthews-Terry would be a fun line to watch.

Something with Henrique and 2nd overall for Matthews is a good starting point.

No it isn’t. We’re not taking a maybe for one of the best players in the league. In the scenario Matthews is being traded, the leafs need bonafide quality NHL players

 

[Sypher04]

So you are thinking a team will give up a boat load of assets for Matthews as a rental for a playoff run? Because of his track record of great playoff performances? Interesting idea

See Matthew Tkachuk.

 

[General Fanager]

No it isn’t. We’re not taking a maybe for one of the best players in the league. In the scenario Matthews is being traded, the leafs need bonafide quality NHL players

I get what you are saying but it might not matter. If he doesn't sign by July 1st then the NMC kicks in the he can control everything.

they might have to take what they can get and hope he says yes to the deal....

 

[Sypher04]

Insider reveals Maple Leafs superstar may be on his way out of Toronto

Auston Matthews holds the Maple Leafs in the palm of his hands.

www.habsfanatics.com

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I hate overly sensationalized, click baiting headlines.

What Friedman actually said:
“They're looking for a GM with some bite, a GM who won't be afraid to make decisions. There are some big decisions to make that they have coming up, including that it doesn't appear likely that Matthews will sign by July 1st. It's not their only concern but it is one of the biggest things that they'll have to navigate.”

It’s rational to think our lack of GM might get but the way of signing him by July 1st, but that doesn’t indicate he’s leaving

 

[EquivalentStay]

I think a good starting point for a signed Matthews is Keller and Cooley.

It would give Toronto the flexibility to sign ROR and Cooley wouldn't be on the books until the end of year when the NCAA season is over.

Matthews in Arizona just adds interest if there's any hope that they can make it work in Arizona. And it also adds value if they have to sell the team and start over.

Would the Yotes do that? I do that in a heartbeat.

 

[belair]

Would the Yotes do that? I do that in a heartbeat.

It's difficult to say because Matthews holds the hammer in any potential deal. He technically could be one of those guys who waits until the last minute to decide.

But I believe the value could be pretty close.

 

[seanlinden]

Im not sure about that. Unless a team already has a good chunk of cap space with pretty much a full team signed it wouldnt be easy to clear 13 million. That would be 2 guys like Drai and Kane for the Oilers. Or Kane, Rnh, and Hyman. A team would have trouble moving smaller pieces while still freeing up enough space. Im not saying it cant be done because obviously it could but at what expense?

Edmonton isn't one of the teams that's going to be in the market for him.

 

[TBF1972]

Not necessarily.

The other team would need to mange the cap better. I think we can all agree that he would be the best player on any team that would trade for him. There is no problem to pay him as such. The problem lies with their 2-5th best players on that team. They cant be 10+ like in Toronto.


3 guys all making 10+ at the same position is not a good idea....as we see in Toronto.

ovechkin on his previous contract is the highest cap hit winning a sc title. next are vasilevskiy and kucherov.

paying top dollar to stars doesn't corrolate with winning the cup. mostly it is the other way. barkov/bobrovsky could change it.

 

[McVespa99]

See Matthew Tkachuk.

They did not trade for him as a rental

Edmonton isn't one of the teams that's going to be in the market for him.

Obviously not, I was just demonstrating the types of players a team would have to give up to make the cap work if they were one of the better teams which are pretty much all capped out or close

 

[Sypher04]

They did not trade for him as a rental

All of Duchene, Karlsson and Tkachuk signed where they were traded, why would Matthews be any different

Hell even Huberdeau extended and he was blindsided by being dealt

 

[TS Quint]

ovechkin on his previous contract is the highest cap hit winning a sc title. next are vasilevskiy and kucherov.

paying top dollar to stars doesn't corrolate with winning the cup. mostly it is the other way. barkov/bobrovsky could change it.

They will still have a lower % of the cap than Ovi.

This is why Matthews is a selfish loser and Dubas is a spineless weasel. That 5 year contract never gave the Leafs a chance.

 

[McVespa99]

All of Duchene, Karlsson and Tkachuk signed where they were traded, why would Matthews be any different

Hell even Huberdeau extended and he was blindsided by being dealt

I was quoting someone that had his value as a rental......

 

[DearDiary]

I thought it went without saying that any deal this big comes with an extension.....

What incentive is there for Matthews to do that? His NMC kicks in July 1st, why would he do a sign and trade when the ability to choose where to go would soon be available to him? Plus the team he wants won't have to gut their roster of assets

 

[mydnyte]

the logical framework for a Matthews trade:
Piece #1
A young top line player
AND
Piece #2
a top prospect
AND
multiple high picks

...anything else is fantasy, regardless of contract status, because nobody will be dumb enough to trade for Matthews if they dont know or expect to extend him, or have him extended first.

Now, the caliber of either the first or second piece can affect the quality of the other piece, and the picks.

 

[Avilaj07]

Couple of proposals

To Toronto-
Kempe
Clarke
22nd overall pick
2024 1st Round Pick

To Kings-
Matthews
28th overall pick

Or

To Toronto-
Henrique
2nd overall pick
Mctavish
Mintyukov

To Ducks-
Matthews
Robertson
28th overall pick

 

[Akrapovince]

No your assumptions are awful. Any team trading for Matthews will ask to speak with his agent before handing over assets. Try to deal in reality not your own head.

Any team that has the premium assets and draft capital and cap to take on Matthews and is sure that he will sign with them in free agency will just wait for him to reach it.

Unless the team that is willing to giving up 6th overall + Geekie think somehow their window to win the cup is next year and nothing beyond.

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

ovechkin on his previous contract is the highest cap hit winning a sc title. next are vasilevskiy and kucherov.

paying top dollar to stars doesn't corrolate with winning the cup. mostly it is the other way. barkov/bobrovsky could change it.

and up until 2-3 weeks ago the Bobrovsky contract was a disaster, and there were rumours that they would heavily retain to move it a summer or two ago.

 

[slappipappi]

and up until 2-3 weeks ago the Bobrovsky contract was a disaster, and there were rumours that they would heavily retain to move it a summer or two ago.

His co tract is still a disaster.

 

[Rec T]

To Toronto-
Henrique
2nd overall pick
Mctavish
Mintyukov

To Ducks-
Matthews
Robertson
28th overall pick

You could have at least included a bottle of lube too...

 

[backhandsauce]

Not a Kings or Leaf’s fan but what about

Kempe, Vilardi and Walker

For

AM and a 2nd.

Would make the Leafs better. Kempe is sick. Vilardi a great 2nd line guy.

AM would make the kings better and they could trade the 2nd at the draft for a NHL ready player.

 

[seanlinden]

What incentive is there for Matthews to do that? His NMC kicks in July 1st, why would he do a sign and trade when the ability to choose where to go would soon be available to him? Plus the team he wants won't have to gut their roster of assets

It's a little counterintuitive, but if you look through the history of all NHL players, guys are usually happy to "stay put", so long as they feel "their value" is being met.

That's why you saw Huberdeau sign an extension, despite being blindsided and having never played a game in Calgary.

For most NHLers (esp in the upper tier), it's not even about the money, it's about how they feel they are valued by the team, and money talks.

That's not to say he'll happily sign in Winnipeg or Buffalo or Ottawa.... but as long as the destination is reasonable, the acquiring team will know that they've got a decent chance at signing him.

Personally, I think Dallas could be a bit of a darkhorse candidate if Vegas finishes them off. They're at risk of falling off with Seguin & Benn getting older, but have a really good young core with the likes of Hintz, Robertson, Heiskanen, Oettinger.

 

[seanlinden]

Not a Kings or Leaf’s fan but what about

Kempe, Vilardi and Walker

For

AM and a 2nd.

Would make the Leafs better. Kempe is sick. Vilardi a great 2nd line guy.

AM would make the kings better and they could trade the 2nd at the draft for a NHL ready player.

Problem is -- who plays centre for the Leafs?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Rantanen and Newhook

 

[Rude Dog]

Fans won't like it but something like

LA: Matthews
Toronto: Byfield and Kempe
Third team: Petersen and picks from both sides

Matthews takes Kopitar's money next year and LA are set with him and Danualt for their entire window.

I was saying Byfield is a bust before he went 2nd overall. His play has only deepened my belief. Clarke has to be part of any deal. You can keep Byfield.

 

[Brookbank]

ARZ wouldn't give up anything close to that. To rent Matthews for one year before he hits UFA?

Every part of that post is ****ing awful.

Its only redeeming quality is that the names are all spelled correctly.

Obviously it is predicated on ARZ signing him to a max contract