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The pandemic has nothing to do with this.
Paying a 2C 11 million is asinine. It was asinine from day 1 in 2018
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Paying a 2C 11 million is asinine. It was asinine from day 1 in 2018
Matthews> Byfield and it isn’t close. I highly doubt that the Kings are comfortable with Byfield as the teams top centre to start next season.
He won’t have a chance to sign in LA as a UFA because he’s going to get traded by July 1st and extended shortly thereafter.
Byfield did not prove anything so far.
Matthews already proved that he is not playoff performer.
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You know this how? Oh yea thats right, you dont have a god damn clue.
The Kings don’t win more than one round of playoffs with Matthews as #1 center.
Toronto proved this so many times.
y would la do this Matthews is not going to make the kings a contender He has been on a better team and cant win
There is no reason in the world to sad that a ppg 47 goal 88 pt player in 2018 is or was a 2C.
He was 3rd in the league in goals his first year here and has kept up pace.
He is our second best C who took 14% of the cap and left 2 million in the table
If this was a 100 million cap it wouldn’t be an issue.
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kempe would perform better in the playoffs and help TO keep making the playoffs. I would do that personally.
ManofSteel55
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Just extend him. People love to rag on Matthews, but he isn't the problem in Toronto. The Leafs had a pretty good season, but still were going in to the playoffs with poor goaltending, and there is work to be done on the supporting depth players, but throwing away your star players isn't going to get you closer - may as well just tear it down and rebuild if you're going to send out Matthews.
I'm not a Leaf fan, but if you are talking about Tavares, I don't think its really fair to suggest that he was 2C in 2018. The Leafs chose to run with two top line quality C's.
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Call me crazy, but the more I think about the situation, the more confident I am in saying that trading Matthews is the likeliest solution here.
Ideal? Nope, but the setup of this non-ideal situation came when Dubas did not strong-arm Matthews to a longer 2nd contract. Gotta live with it now.
Ideal going forward? Likely. Tavares is not moving. Trading one year of Nylander should result to an equally strong core four at best, and likely something much worse. If you trade Marner, you're gifting Matthews the remaining leverage that he doesn't already have - have fun negotiating with him without Marner as your secondary superstar to fall back on. Then you're paying AM 14 a year, while also having Tavares on the books in 2024-25 - you don't run into this issue if Marner is the one you keep, as his and Tavares' contracts run out in the same season.
The question, then, is as follows: what is a good enough Marner trade that you can live with, knowing that your cap troubles will become worse by keeping Auston?
Ideal? Nope, but the setup of this non-ideal situation came when Dubas did not strong-arm Matthews to a longer 2nd contract. Gotta live with it now.
Ideal going forward? Likely. Tavares is not moving. Trading one year of Nylander should result to an equally strong core four at best, and likely something much worse. If you trade Marner, you're gifting Matthews the remaining leverage that he doesn't already have - have fun negotiating with him without Marner as your secondary superstar to fall back on. Then you're paying AM 14 a year, while also having Tavares on the books in 2024-25 - you don't run into this issue if Marner is the one you keep, as his and Tavares' contracts run out in the same season.
The question, then, is as follows: what is a good enough Marner trade that you can live with, knowing that your cap troubles will become worse by keeping Auston?
This happens every year with every star player - except Tavaras ironically . We all speculate and light each other on fire for even suggesting to veto a trade and they always sign with the home team.
This happens every year.
This happens every year.
The Leaf's aren't trading any of the core - there's plenty of cap and roster spots to fill around them.
I think a good starting point for a signed Matthews is Keller and Cooley.
It would give Toronto the flexibility to sign ROR and Cooley wouldn't be on the books until the end of year when the NCAA season is over.
Matthews in Arizona just adds interest if there's any hope that they can make it work in Arizona. And it also adds value if they have to sell the team and start over.
It would give Toronto the flexibility to sign ROR and Cooley wouldn't be on the books until the end of year when the NCAA season is over.
Matthews in Arizona just adds interest if there's any hope that they can make it work in Arizona. And it also adds value if they have to sell the team and start over.
You don't do until the team on the other end agrees.
Any agreement is meaningless until in writing and that cannot be done until July 1.
You’re not answering the question. unless that the part where it looks like you dropped your phone.
Duchene with more than 1 but 2 years left, no extension possible
1st+2nd+3rd + 1st round prospect from previous draft + 2nd round prospect that made team out of camp in D+1, + 2nd prospect tracking well in the AHL in D+3.
Karlsson with one year, no extension in place (discarding now illegal conditional picks)
1st+ 1st round prospect from previous draft + young NHL dman with potential + young top 9 forward with potential + B prospect coming of strong D+3
Comparing them both for rental Matthews floor
1st round pick
Prospect recently picked in the 1st round
1-2 young contributing NHLers with upside
1-2 more B prospect types
1st+2nd+3rd + 1st round prospect from previous draft + 2nd round prospect that made team out of camp in D+1, + 2nd prospect tracking well in the AHL in D+3.
Karlsson with one year, no extension in place (discarding now illegal conditional picks)
1st+ 1st round prospect from previous draft + young NHL dman with potential + young top 9 forward with potential + B prospect coming of strong D+3
Comparing them both for rental Matthews floor
1st round pick
Prospect recently picked in the 1st round
1-2 young contributing NHLers with upside
1-2 more B prospect types
imo leafs fans are dreaming if they think their getting a great return for matthews if he dont resign he will decide where he will resign and that fact will reduce price tag
I think its solid af from a Leafs perspective.
Great lesser player, prospect with upside and we get cap space
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So you are thinking a team will give up a boat load of assets for Matthews as a rental for a playoff run? Because of his track record of great playoff performances? Interesting idea
Matt Duchene had played 2 NHL playoff games and was average 51 points per season over the 3 years before that deal.
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Insider reveals Maple Leafs superstar may be on his way out of Toronto
Auston Matthews holds the Maple Leafs in the palm of his hands.
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Even if he wasn't in 2018 everyone could see that he would be soon. After the first two years of Matthews it was clear he was gonna be the #1.
The money spent on Tavares would have been much much better spent in other areas and here we are 5-6years into that deal and its a real problem.
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