Proposal: Fowler for a Jets winger

[Ducks in a row]

I hardly doubt that the reason Anaheim had the lowest goals against in the league last year was entirely because of Cam Fowler. You do have one of the best defensive centers in the game and some pretty solid goaltenders. Don't undersell them to pump Fowlers tires. I mean a good portion of your forward core Kesler, Cogliano and Silfverberg take on some pretty hefty dzone time themselves. In the playoffs Lindholm saw far more Dzone time than Fowler, had better possession metrics and saw only slightly less icetime.

Fowler leading our team in average time on ice having to carry a 3rd pair defense partner while facing other teams scorers and getting more defensive zone starts is why Fowler was a very important part of why we gave up the fewest goals in the NHL last season. If Fowler was as bad of a defenseman as some people claim no way would we of given up the fewest goals in the NHL last season.

Why would the Leafs trade a solid 2nd line winger for a 5-6 defenceman? Leafs already have the player that people think Fowler is - Gardiner. Gardiner >>>>>> Fowler. Theodore >> Fowler

Calling Fowler a 5-6 defenseman and Gardiner >>>>>> Fowler and Theodore >> Fowler is a terrible joke you can't honestly be serious and if somehow you are then you need to greatly improve when it comes to evaluating defenseman.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Wtf who has been offering fowler for trouba? That doesn't even make sense. You realize that the ducks have plenty of D men. Plus they need to sign lindholm. Why would they trade a great asset like fowler for trouba when they need forwards?

I would assume that reference was in Trouba threads where trade speculation broke down to player trashing. A typical point of argument was "Trouba is closer to Fowler than Lindholm". I can't point to any trade postings about this by Ducks fans but there was certainly a ridiculous # of threads containing said argument.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I would assume that reference was in Trouba threads where trade speculation broke down to player trashing. A typical point of argument was "Trouba is closer to Fowler than Lindholm". I can't point to any trade postings about this by Ducks fans but there was certainly a ridiculous # of threads containing said argument.

Oh let me help with this one

Fowler and trouba are both top 4 dmen... only difference is Fowler has much more experience playing as a top dmen, while carrying a **** show in bieska.

In no world is trouba any where near lindholm value wise, and thr fact that certain jet fans think Lindholm for trouba was an acceptable trade offer was ridiculous. Fowler for trouba tho would be an okay starting point but we have Vatanen Theodore montour manson on right side so no real need to being trouba in.


Not to menation jet fans saying wheeler is better then getzlaf and little is better than kesler. Jet fans should know better than anyone how good kesler is. It's shocking to me that a team that is "better across the board" could get a top 5 pick while the other one won division title and been arguably a top 5 team in the league over the last 5 years.


Anyway the jist was lindholm >> trouba >= Fowler

 

[lindholmie]

That's been my point whenever this narrative has been discussed. The Jets need defense, the Ducks require forwards.

What's interesting is the Jets have forwards & the Ducks have defensemen.

I realize the Jets are sour they squandered so many leads to the Ducks in the 2015 playoffs, but Chevy should really be talking to you guys.

Problem is jets fans don't wanna give up any of their actual good forwards prospects. Just the b prospects. Ducks have a ton of Potential top 4 dmen in Theodore, larsson and montour. They are A prospects. Defensemen have more value than wingers. You gotta give to get

 

[JetsHomer]

Problem is jets fans don't wanna give up any of their actual good forwards prospects. Just the b prospects. Ducks have a ton of Potential top 4 dmen in Theodore, larsson and montour. They are A prospects. Defensemen have more value than wingers. You gotta give to get

If you expect at A+ prospect for Fowler when everyone knows the Ducks are being forced to move him you're going to have a bad time

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If you expect at A+ prospect for Fowler when everyone knows the Ducks are being forced to move him you're going to have a bad time

We're not forced to move him, you are misinformed. he is a piece thst could bring a good forward piece to help our forward group.... that's the only reason his name is mentioned is because he holds value and we have players in the system that can fill in @ defense.

 

[Duck Off]

this thread is going nowhere. No reason for it to be open honestly.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Doubt that BM would deal Fowler to another Western Conference team any ways, By all report it's pretty much Eastern Conference teams talking to BM about Cam Fowler not sure who the jets have other then Connor that BM would want for Fowler. And obviously Cheveldayoff isn't trading Connor in a deal for Fowler. He will just go with Morrisey. Fowler will be playing on a Eastern Conference team before to long and my guess would be either Boston or New Jersey.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

this thread is going nowhere. No reason for it to be open honestly.

Totally agree here, I think the odds that Bob Murray would even deal Fowler to another Western Conference team is pretty small. Pretty much sounds like he's only talking to Eastern Conference clubs. Doubt that Murray would deal Fowler to Winnipeg unless Connor was coming back and that's just not going to happen.

 

[JetsHomer]

Totally agree here, I think the odds that Bob Murray would even deal Fowler to another Western Conference team is pretty small. Pretty much sounds like he's only talking to Eastern Conference clubs. Doubt that Murray would deal Fowler to Winnipeg unless Connor was coming back and that's just not going to happen.

Why do you post this horrible argument in every single thread? Well I know it's because you think every Dman will only go to the Wings but really you do get that teams aren't going to care about playing a player 3x a year vs 2x times if it means they get a better return in trade, right?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Why do you post this horrible argument in every single thread? Well I know it's because you think every Dman will only go to the Wings but really you do get that teams aren't going to care about playing a player 3x a year vs 2x times if it means they get a better return in trade, right?

For 1 we are not fighting the wings for a playoff spot.... giving the Jets a proven top 4 dmen with top pairing upside increases their chances of being a playoff team which we could be battling them for.

 

[ginner classic]

fowler for ehlers seems fair for me as an outsider.

Me too...as an outsider. Connor seems more intriguing though. Fowler and a 1st?

 

[biturbo19]

As an outsider, it's absolutely crazy to me how undervalued Cam Fowler seems to be among many here.

Is there a player with a bigger discrepancy in perceived value between Corsi scouters and people who actually watch hockey?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

As an outsider, it's absolutely crazy to me how undervalued Cam Fowler seems to be among many here.

Is there a player with a bigger discrepancy in perceived value between Corsi scouters and people who actually watch hockey?

Im not a big fan of Fowler but he may be one of the more under rated and under valued players in the league. But I'm pretty surexcited king and shark fans would love for us to trade him, I value their opinions a Lil higher then the sabers and jets fans that talk Fowler down all the time,.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why do you post this horrible argument in every single thread? Well I know it's because you think every Dman will only go to the Wings but really you do get that teams aren't going to care about playing a player 3x a year vs 2x times if it means they get a better return in trade, right?

First off where's there any mention of me saying that Cam Fowler is coming to Detroit. Tons of Eastern Conference teams could use Fowler, Buffalo, Montreal, Boston, New Jersey. The article said that Bob Murray was speaking to a couple Eastern Conference teams about a significant move most likely Fowler. No where is there any mention that Detroit might be involved here. Sure i wouldn't mind bringing Fowler home to Detroit with both Kronwall (knee) and Ericsson (hips) ailing we could definitely use a D caliber of Fowler or possibly Trouba. Right because just as many Western Conference teams have better players to trade then say any Eastern Conference team has. If Bob Murray wasn't willing to deal Andersen out west. What makes you think that he would trade one of his better young D men in Fowler out west.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

This thread still sucks.

Just saying.

By the sound of things, It sounds like most Jet fans don't want any thing to do with Fowler especially if Trouba is involved. So i totally agree with you here.

 

[ginner classic]

As an outsider, it's absolutely crazy to me how undervalued Cam Fowler seems to be among many here.

Is there a player with a bigger discrepancy in perceived value between Corsi scouters and people who actually watch hockey?

And he still has upside...and his contract is pretty darn good. I'd love to have him on the Canucks.

 

[Hunter368]

And he still has upside...and his contract is pretty darn good. I'd love to have him on the Canucks.

Perfect we have a buyer on Fowler, trade him to the Nucks

 

[dracom]

Perfect we have a buyer on Fowler, trade him to the Nucks

Hell no, not giving them anything good.

 

[sully1410]

Oh let me help with this one

Fowler and trouba are both top 4 dmen... only difference is Fowler has much more experience playing as a top dmen, while carrying a **** show in bieska.

In no world is trouba any where near lindholm value wise, and thr fact that certain jet fans think Lindholm for trouba was an acceptable trade offer was ridiculous. Fowler for trouba tho would be an okay starting point but we have Vatanen Theodore montour manson on right side so no real need to being trouba in.


Not to menation jet fans saying wheeler is better then getzlaf and little is better than kesler. Jet fans should know better than anyone how good kesler is. It's shocking to me that a team that is "better across the board" could get a top 5 pick while the other one won division title and been arguably a top 5 team in the league over the last 5 years.


Anyway the jist was lindholm >> trouba >= Fowler

Numbers indicate that Little actually is better than Kesler.

And the last point is just Lunacy. Lindholm may be better than Trouba...but it's a tad early to say that it's that much better. And Fowler's closer Stuart than a top four Dman.

 

[dracom]

Numbers indicate that Little actually is better than Kesler.

And the last point is just Lunacy. Lindholm may be better than Trouba...but it's a tad early to say that it's that much better. And Fowler's closer Stuart than a top four Dman.

Seriously? If that was true why were the Ducks a better team with two Stuarts (Fowler, Bieksa) playing top pairing minutes? Face it, if the Jets players were better, they wouldn't be a lottery team or a team to lose to the inferior Ducks players.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Numbers indicate that Little actually is better than Kesler.

And the last point is just Lunacy. Lindholm may be better than Trouba...but it's a tad early to say that it's that much better. And Fowler's closer Stuart than a top four Dman.

That is a very good point!

Fowler is closer to stuart.... and hes our 2nd best dmen on our roster.... so that means Lindholm is carrying 5 plugs to the # 1 Gaa in the league with average goaltending.


And yet you want to put trouba in the same sentence as lindholm... trouba has nhl defenders around him and they got a lottery pick... lindholms over here turning water into wine with our defense and goaltending.

Trouba even dreams of being as good as lindholm and he better wake up and apologize.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Numbers indicate that Little actually is better than Kesler.

And the last point is just Lunacy. Lindholm may be better than Trouba...but it's a tad early to say that it's that much better. And Fowler's closer Stuart than a top four Dman.

So you know nothing about Fowler got it.

 

[JetsFan815]

Wow. The arrogance of that statement.

You know better than the professionals, huh? And, apparently, Anaheim fans who have seen far more of both players in Anaheim than you. There is no argument for Theodore ahead of Fowler, based on current play. None. Any argument Theodore has it based on future potential and, really, him being cheaper.

There is no argument for Jacob Larsson ahead of Fowler either, and Larsson has out-played Theodore so far in camp and preseason.

What you're saying is essentially an appeal to authority. Do you disagree that Bieksa and Stoner were given terrible contracts? If you don't then you concede that these "professionals" are capable of making mistakes when judging talent. From which it follows that rating Fowler so high could be mistake by the ducks brass.

I would take Manson over Fowler. Manson > Fowler

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What you're saying is essentially an appeal to authority. Do you disagree that Bieksa and Stoner were given terrible contracts? If you don't then you concede that these "professionals" are capable of making mistakes when judging talent. From which it follows that rating Fowler so high could be mistake by the ducks brass.

I would take Manson over Fowler. Manson > Fowler

just for the record, manson doesn't come with lindholm you know that right