Proposal: Fowler for a Jets winger

[dracom]

What you're saying is essentially an appeal to authority. Do you disagree that Bieksa and Stoner were given terrible contracts? If you don't then you concede that these "professionals" are capable of making mistakes when judging talent. From which it follows that rating Fowler so high could be mistake by the ducks brass.

I would take Manson over Fowler. Manson > Fowler

Your last sentence shows no one should listen to your opinion about Ducks players.

 

[JetsFan815]

Seriously? If that was true why were the Ducks a better team with two Stuarts (Fowler, Bieksa) playing top pairing minutes? Face it, if the Jets players were better, they wouldn't be a lottery team or a team to lose to the inferior Ducks players.

How did Penguins win the cup with the cup with Dumoulin and Lovejoy playing top-4 minutes?

 

[Maukkis]

just for the record, manson doesn't come with lindholm you know that right

Might be the case, however he didn't mention Lindholm once in the post. A couple more seconds spent on reading the post would have made it clear that he actually compared Fowler and Manson, but whatever.

 

[dracom]

How did Penguins win the cup with the cup with Dumoulin and Lovejoy playing top-4 minutes?

Because they have some of the best players in the league on that team, plus an actual #1 D playing top pairing minutes. So your post has no relevance here. Nice try.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Might be the case, however he didn't mention Lindholm once in the post. A couple more seconds spent on reading the post would have made it clear that he actually compared Fowler and Manson, but whatever.

yes I got that, and my point was

Lindholm does not come with manson

 

[dracom]

Might be the case, however he didn't mention Lindholm once in the post. A couple more seconds spent on reading the post would have made it clear that he actually compared Fowler and Manson, but whatever.

Manson plays with Lindholm. Lindholm boosts Manson fancy stats. So that means Manson > Fowler... people love fancy stats so much.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Please, give your head a shake. You don't get those guys for Lindholm who is twice the player Fowler is. This is why this conversation with Ducks fans is so much fun.

Neutral party here, and its apparent that you are the one who needs to shake his head. Ehlers and Connor don't have near the value of Laine, Wheeler or Lindholm.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Numbers indicate that Little actually is better than Kesler.

And the last point is just Lunacy. Lindholm may be better than Trouba...but it's a tad early to say that it's that much better. And Fowler's closer Stuart than a top four Dman.

2 embarrassing and wrong statements in 1 post, I don't know which one is worse

kesler put up over 50 points last year, playing against the opposing teams top line every single night, bryan little is not better than kesler, and he proved that when he owned the jets a few years ago while little did nothing

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

kesler put up over 50 points last year, playing against the opposing teams top line every single night, bryan little is not better than kesler, and he proved that when he owned the jets a few years ago while little did nothing

To be fair I think little had 4 points( could be wrong, - 3)


It was wheeler that did nothing... but hes also a better player then getzlaf

Anyway there is no way id take Little over kesler if I was building a team to win, but littles offensive stats may be a bit better. Maybe in 3 years id consider the possibility but right now kesler is a beast.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

To be fair I think little had 4 points( could be wrong, - 3)


It was wheeler that did nothing... but hes also a better player then getzlaf

Anyway there is no way id take Little over kesler if I was building a team to win, but littles offensive stats may be a bit better. Maybe in 3 years id consider the possibility but right now kesler is a beast.

people here don't realize how hard it is to even crack 50 points when you are tasked with as many defensive zone starts as kesler was against other teams top lines. and more often than not his line outperformed those lines.

 

[THall4]

Take it as a reflection how Jets fans see Fowler.......and no I don't expect any Ducks fan to agree we know they over value him.

So because Jets fans don't like Fowler...they should trade for him...for your scraps/Moose roster??

give your head a shake man

Duck fans may be overvaluing him... but hes worth more then all of that.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

fowler is barely better than mark stuart, even though he's been the ducks first or second best dman for 3 years. how have they had any success at all.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Or, names like Mario and Ovi were thrown out there when about 15% of rankings had him ranked first, where alot of his success came in a shortened tournament (funny how people refer to world cup+preseason as a small sample size, but the WHC isn't) on the powerplay against small countries.

Oh I am sorry. Did you want a larger sample size? Let's see how he fared elsewhere.

Probably just luck.

 

[Ducks in a row]

What you're saying is essentially an appeal to authority. Do you disagree that Bieksa and Stoner were given terrible contracts? If you don't then you concede that these "professionals" are capable of making mistakes when judging talent. From which it follows that rating Fowler so high could be mistake by the ducks brass.

I would take Manson over Fowler. Manson > Fowler

I won't argue if you would take Manson over Fowler because Manson makes much much less and isn't a UFA after two years. If you would take Manson as in he is the better defenseman then your making a bad choice. Manson gets to play with Lindholm while Fowler has a 3rd pair defense partner and Manson plays less then 19 min a game compared to Fowler over 22 min a game. If Fowler had a defense partner as good a Lindholm then Fowler advanced stats would be much better and he wouldn't get trashed on so much for not having great advanced stats. Fowler > Manson on the Ice.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Quit it with the trolling. The next person to troll (whether a Jets fan, Ducks fan, or neutral party - I don't care about your affiliation, regardless of mine) gets the boot from this thread, and earns an infraction. Either discuss the trade proposal, or leave the thread.

 

[Hunter368]

End of day the vast majority of Jets fans have low to zero interest in fowler regardless how ducks fans feel about fowlers value. There is no trade here IMO to be made, this horse has been beaten to death many times over.

End thread?

 

[Goose of Reason]

Quit it with the trolling. The next person to troll (whether a Jets fan, Ducks fan, or neutral party - I don't care about your affiliation, regardless of mine) gets the boot from this thread, and earns an infraction. Either discuss the trade proposal, or leave the thread.

Just close the thread, it's not going anywhere productive.

 

[4thline]

Can't see this working as an outsider. Irrational undervaluing of Fowler aside Ducks would be looking for a cheap impact top 6 forward. That's Ehlers. Can't see that happening. Otherwise you're looking at a 1st+Petan/Roslovic + type of deal.

 

[nbducksfan19]

End of day the vast majority of Jets fans have low to zero interest in fowler regardless how ducks fans feel about fowlers value. There is no trade here IMO to be made, this horse has been beaten to death many times over.

End thread?

And ducks fans have no interest in the deals most Jets fans have proposed based on a lack of knowledge of Cam Fowler regardless of how many hero charts they point to and how few games they actually watch.

Agreed, End thread.

 

[alcolol]

If Murray were to trade Fowler, I do not believe he'd have any interest in sending him to a Western Conference team.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If Murray were to trade Fowler, I do not believe he'd have any interest in sending him to a Western Conference team.

My thinking as well, He dealt Andersen to a Eastern Conference team think he would do the same with Fowler. I've only have seen Eastern Conference teams linked to Fowler none in the west.

 

[Daximus]

I don't think Fowler is going to return the Ducks fans what they really want. Not that Fowler is a bad player but it's tough to deal from a position of weakness. When the league knows the Ducks need to ship someone out then the value of said person goes down. Much like Trouba. Edmonton was dealing from a position of weakness and could only manage Larsson for one of the better LW in the game. It is possible to win a trade like that or even get equal value. It's just tough.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

As far as Wingers from Winnipeg for Fowler, The only one i see as being plausible is Connor and i just don't see that happening.

 

[JetsHomer]

people here don't realize how hard it is to even crack 50 points when you are tasked with as many defensive zone starts as kesler was against other teams top lines. and more often than not his line outperformed those lines.

You say this as if all these statement don't apply to Little as well

 

[Daximus]

Daximus

As far as Wingers from Winnipeg for Fowler, The only one i see as being plausible is Connor and i just don't see that happening.

Yeah we just don't make good trading partners at the moment. We have no reason to want to deal a top winger. We just want dman for Trouba or prospect wingers not named Laine or Connor.