Weekes: Four Islanders moves coming

[Martin Skoula]

Lou has made his fair share of contract mistakes but there's no chance he would have got bullied the way Dubas did with those 3 contracts.

A rental Kovalchuk bent him over so hard he got fined lol. All for a vanity number of 100 mil to satisfy Kovy's ego. A geriatric middle 6er got more money, more term, and more ironclad trade protection than anyone else was offering him.

 

[nergish]

You mean it’s a great deal for Vancouver and trash for the Islanders.

As a Canucks fan (who recognizes that JT Miller is a sensational, game-breaking player), I’d offer up quite a bit more to land Dobson.
Kid’s a unicorn. Would be legendary next to Q. Hughes.

Miller (40% retained)
Rathbone
Hoglander
2023 3rd

for

Dobson
2023 2nd

Rathbone is a great younger defensive prospect. He’s just stylistically way too similar to Hughes, but won’t get a sniff of PP time while OEL is here. Hoglander showed a ton of upside in his rookie year, but suffered from the sophomore slump; tremendous hands, and abrasive for a smaller guy. Marchand-lite.

 

[deckercky]

I don't think the Schneider contract deserves the criticism that the other contracts do - he was a relatively young starting goalie with amazing numbers. His body just fell apart immediately following the contract.

 

[mouser]

Dobson, Romanov, Bellows, Arnaud, Wotherspoon signings.

There's five for you.

 

[kanucks25]

A rental Kovalchuk bent him over so hard he got fined lol. All for a vanity number of 100 mil to satisfy Kovy's ego. A geriatric middle 6er got more money, more term, and more ironclad trade protection than anyone else was offering him.

Nothing you've said contradicts or refutes my point.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Nothing you've said contradicts or refutes my point.

Lou gets bullied by middle-6ers with no leverage, what makes you think he'd do any better with star players who can hold out or sign a poison pill offer sheet? Can you point me to a star player with a PPG+ resume he locked up for a good deal in the last decade or two?

Odds are we get into a Tkachuk situation with one or more of the RFAs and he uses the picks he gets on Pageau and Romanov lol.

 

[IslandersFan17]

I looked it up when I made the post. Not an American, so I will be pardoned for not knowing everything about your country lol. I guess it was an attempt at sarcasm on your part?

Okay, so then CARP…

 

[BoHorvat 53]

wish Dobson was available there absolutely no chance he’s available in a JT Miller trade. I would have no issues even adding to JT if Dobson was available - kid has legit top-10 defenceman in the league potential and him and Hughes would have potential to be the 2nd best D-pairing in the league behind Byram/Toews - Makar

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Pageau is a cap dump in this cap climate. Defensively responsible centers that can't crack 40 points aren't worth anywhere near 5 mill per.

He’s paced 40 points or more last three years. Playoff he’s paced over .5 per game. Defensively terrific. He also signed his deal pre covid so that was with an expected rising cap.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

He’s paced 40 points or more last three years. Playoff he’s paced over .5 per game. Defensively terrific. He also signed his deal pre covid so that was with an expected rising cap.

Same can be said for many player contracts pre covid. He is a cap dump and will be for the duration of his contract.

 

[Fogelhund]

As a Canucks fan (who recognizes that JT Miller is a sensational, game-breaking player), I’d offer up quite a bit more to land Dobson.
Kid’s a unicorn. Would be legendary next to Q. Hughes.

Miller (40% retained)
Rathbone
Hoglander
2023 3rd

for

Dobson
2023 2nd

Rathbone is a great younger defensive prospect. He’s just stylistically way too similar to Hughes, but won’t get a sniff of PP time while OEL is here. Hoglander showed a ton of upside in his rookie year, but suffered from the sophomore slump; tremendous hands, and abrasive for a smaller guy. Marchand-lite.

Why give up Dobson, when the Islanders can just sign Kadri without losing assets? That isn't to suggest Kadri = Miller, just that Dobson + Kadri might be the better move, than Miller.

 

[Kelly]

Lou has made his fair share of contract mistakes but there's no chance he would have got bullied the way Dubas did with those 3 contracts.

...based on? Your feelings?

Lou's history definitely doesn't prove that.

 

[Curufinwe]

Pageau is a cap dump in this cap climate. Defensively responsible centers that can't crack 40 points aren't worth anywhere near 5 mill per.

Rackell got 6 x $5m and he's not even a center. He scored 20 G 21 A in 70 games.

Pageau had 18 G 21 A in 77 games. Doesn't seem like a huge gap there.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Same can be said for many player contracts pre covid. He is a cap dump and will be for the duration of his contract.

A cap dump is someone you’re looking to unload, JGP is not a cap dump.

 

[super6646]

Okay, so then CARP…

No I haven’t heard of them either lol. Not a senile old man yet (un)fortunately.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Rackell got 6 x $5m and he's not even a center. He scored 20 G 21 A in 70 games.

Pageau had 18 G 21 A in 77 games. Doesn't seem like a huge gap there.

Just because another player is grossly overpaid doesn't mean Pageau isn't a cap dump. I mean a player like Kerfoot at 3.5 x 1 is probably only worth a 4th or 5th and he makes 1.5 less, only has 1 year left and is a very good penalty killing winger. Pageau is a cap dump anyway you look at it.

 

[AvatarAang]

So two guys that took discounts because they are from Toronto. The matthews deal was terrible from the moment it was signed, were going to see just how bad over the next season or so. Never should have got that dollar amount with such unfavorable term.

Pageau deal is a great one he plays 19 minutes a game and was huge on all their runs. Plays in all situations and great in the faceoff dot. Can carry a line and play against the other teams best players.

So the reining Rocket Richard winner who scored 60 GOALS is on a bad contract, but Pageau who struggles to reach 40 POINTS is a great one because he plays in all situations blah blah blah

Leaf haters continue to prove that they are obsessed with Toronto.

 

[kanucks25]

...based on? Your feelings?

Lou's history definitely doesn't prove that.

He's known to play hardball with younger players. Remember the whole thing with Matthews and his rookie bonuses?

Obviously it's a hypothetical. But Dubas essentially caved and gave them whatever they wanted, I don't think it's a stretch to assume Lou would have done better.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

4 moves 4 head

math checks out

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

A cap dump is someone you’re looking to unload, JGP is not a cap dump.

Symantecs is what you are playing at. This is a hypothetical scenario in which pageau gets moved to bring in a player like Kadri. If pageau is moved he is the definition of a cap dump in this cap climate.

 

[Martin Skoula]

He's known to play hardball with younger players. Remember the whole thing with Matthews and his rookie bonuses?

Obviously it's a hypothetical. But Dubas essentially caved and gave them whatever they wanted, I don't think it's a stretch to assume Lou would have done better.

The ones that Lou caved and gave him in full?

 

[kanucks25]

Lou gets bullied by middle-6ers with no leverage, what makes you think he'd do any better with star players who can hold out or sign a poison pill offer sheet? Can you point me to a star player with a PPG+ resume he locked up for a good deal in the last decade or two?

Odds are we get into a Tkachuk situation with one or more of the RFAs and he uses the picks he gets on Pageau and Romanov lol.

Because it's different with rookies/young players.

I think he would have let them hold out, I'm sure there are other veteran GM's that would have done the same and not let the inmates run the asylum.

Poison pill offer sheet? What's the difference between the potential offer sheets and the contracts that Dubas gave? Not much. And we all know how rare they are to begin with in the NHL.

The ones that Lou caved and gave him in full?

Yes, but rookie bonus is different than "get all the money you want and walk into free agency" contract.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Symantecs is what you are playing at. This is a hypothetical scenario in which pageau gets moved to bring in a player like Kadri. If pageau is moved he is the definition of a cap dump in this cap climate.

No, you’re hellbent on trying to make it a bad contract/cap dump.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Based on Lous track record I expect these trades will make the islanders older and only marginally better. They already have a couple significant cap dumps on their team, they shouldn't add anymore.

No, you’re hellbent on trying to make it a bad contract/cap dump.

No I'm looking at his numbers relative to his cap hit within the leagues current cap climate. Your in a fantasy world being a homer with no relevant comparable to back up that he isn't a cap dump. See the difference ?

 

[Kelly]

He's known to play hardball with younger players. Remember the whole thing with Matthews and his rookie bonuses?

Obviously it's a hypothetical. But Dubas essentially caved and gave them whatever they wanted, I don't think it's a stretch to assume Lou would have done better.

it kind of is with his track record tbh.

Playing hardball with a franchise altering 1st O/A on his ELC isn't something to brag about -- that was absurdly idiotic by Lou.

Funny thing is, Lou did cave. Matthews received max perf. bonuses on his ELC. First player to receive performance bonuses that was drafted by Lou. So sounds like your assumption is a stretch, since he literally caved on his stubborn nonsensical rules within the first month of drafting AM.