Where do I sign? I'll gladly throw in some decent dollars.
Forslund contract negotiations
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MrazeksVengeance
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I mean I would throw in a couple of bucks if there was PayPal option. Hell knows, Forslund would be a long-time investment for me since I live pretty fa for me to see a game in person even under normal circumstances.
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Let's just say that I know someone charged with much more serious charges, to whom the police refuse to give the photo evidence that they got but giving of which would ruin their case for a couple of the charges.
Hoooo boy Forslund is on the OT podcast with Scott Burnside and based on the 1:30 I listened to, it gonna be good.
Boom Boom Apathy
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Would be very appreciative if you could give a re-cap. Or is there somewhere to listen to it?
Apple podcasts.
I only listened to a minute thirty...Forslund said it would have been a “drastic” reduction in guaranteed pay, and then the rest would be directly tied to each individual game’s attendance. He said he went back to Dundon with a modified plan, and said they flat out said no, no negotiation, no nothing.
He said he had to “move forward.”
I am beginning to dislike Dundon intensely.
Listening right now, it's a podcast associated with The Athletic so maybe people get it later if you're not a subscriber? Listening through The Athletic app right now.
Boom Boom Apathy
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thanks. I'm an athletic subscriber but haven't gone on the app in a while so will check it out.
Why did you make me listen to this this sucks. He really sounds like he's gone through the stages of grief and is "excited about the future" screw this.
John is calling both the exhibition game against Washington and Games 1 and 2 against NYR for NBC... Awkward!
tarheelhockey
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Based on his retelling of it, his beef is basically with Dundon and no one else. He said he's looking forward to seeing everyone on the team.
tarheelhockey
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Nah, I want the dirt on everyone now. Make this a shit show, John. Do it.
AD Skinner
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As much as I am thankful for his bringing the canes out of the dark times, I too am very pissed at dundon over this. How you gonna flaunt like "I'm a billionaire I can write these checks like it's nothing" over Aho but pinch pennies over John? John's been with the team longer than Aho has been alive. And even if he hadn't been he was just voted the best play by play man in the league! Ugh!
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Negotiating with this team appears to be just brutal. The hardline tactics started with Lindholm and have seemingly touched every area of the organization from the players (Faulk) to management (original GM search and then Waddell) to non-hockey personnel (Forslund) since. Squeezing everyone seems counterintuitive when the commitment to spending at a global level is there. Who knows? Maybe this is all for sport.
It's just worrisome; the strategy almost blew up in the team's face already (Aho offersheet).
It's just worrisome; the strategy almost blew up in the team's face already (Aho offersheet).
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It’s almost like, if you spend $80 million on salaries in a small market with low ticket prices and attendance you have to cut corners elsewhere to not lose your shirt.
Who would’ve guessed?
Who would’ve guessed?
Boom Boom Apathy
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While I agree with most of what you said, I think the decisions on Lindholm and Hanifin were more about "wanting to make a change" and less about the money. Sure, money was a part of it, but we knew there were going to be some changes after he did all the exit interviews and Skinner wasn't going to be the only one gone.
It'd be weird if Forslund's main beef was with Stormy. "I don't care how much money you give me, either he goes or I do"
If Dundon is like other rich assholes I have worked for it isn't so much about the money than not budging off of what he considers right. It isn't much of a negotiation, you give in or move on. The only thing that may make him reconsider is bringing in a competing offer.
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On one hand, it sucks that Forslund is gone. He is one of the best out there, and it'll be sad not having him on the games.
At the same time, you're only hearing his side of the story here. On its surface hearing about a "drastic" paycut with the remainder of base salary tied to attendance sounds bad, but we also have to realize there's a very real possibility that, outside of TV advertising, they're not going to be making any money for the next 12-24 months. Half the front office has already been furloughed and if we aren't going to be allowing fans in the arena until 2022, those furloughs could very well turn into outright layoffs. Tough decisions are having to be made everywhere.
And that's before we remember that we have already heard that Forslund spoke with Tampa about their opening, and they passed because he wanted a very high salary with guaranteed time away to pursue national broadcasts on NBC. And that's before we remember that we know the team already asked Kaiton to do work online as part of his role should he stay with the team, and you have to think we'd have been asking the same of John.
And then you realize that we might already have a suitable (won't be as good, but will still be good, and won't be terrible) replacement on staff in Mike Maniscalco who is already a part of the online presence of the team, won't be asking for time away to pursue work in the same field you've hired him for, and likely costs a lot less than what Forslund currently makes. I mean, it sucks, but I kind of understand how and why Dundon was willing to play hardball here.
At the same time, you're only hearing his side of the story here. On its surface hearing about a "drastic" paycut with the remainder of base salary tied to attendance sounds bad, but we also have to realize there's a very real possibility that, outside of TV advertising, they're not going to be making any money for the next 12-24 months. Half the front office has already been furloughed and if we aren't going to be allowing fans in the arena until 2022, those furloughs could very well turn into outright layoffs. Tough decisions are having to be made everywhere.
And that's before we remember that we have already heard that Forslund spoke with Tampa about their opening, and they passed because he wanted a very high salary with guaranteed time away to pursue national broadcasts on NBC. And that's before we remember that we know the team already asked Kaiton to do work online as part of his role should he stay with the team, and you have to think we'd have been asking the same of John.
And then you realize that we might already have a suitable (won't be as good, but will still be good, and won't be terrible) replacement on staff in Mike Maniscalco who is already a part of the online presence of the team, won't be asking for time away to pursue work in the same field you've hired him for, and likely costs a lot less than what Forslund currently makes. I mean, it sucks, but I kind of understand how and why Dundon was willing to play hardball here.
Mike Maniscalco is literally going to explode. He finishes all of his sentences out of breath, and not because he’s a big guy, but because he doesn’t know what a period is. It’s ok to pause. But he doesn’t. He is hockey’s run-on sentence, and I don’t look forward to listening to him.
you suck, Dundon. A big bag of dicks.
you suck, Dundon. A big bag of dicks.
Identity404
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When was the last time Maniscalco has done play-by-play? I only recall Shaya filling in for Forslund in the recent past.
Svechhammer
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How confident are we that he'll be good? He's done this just a few times and it was on a broadcast that most of us skipped anyway (at least I did). He's a between periods guy, not a play-by-play guy. To me that's like saying "he's worked the checkout line at Wal-Mart before, he'll make a fine auctioneer". Different skillsets. Sure he's comfortable on TV, but his big weakness is not saying anything of substance (interview questions that answer themselves, run-on sentences as Sens mentioned, etc.), which won't really fly when he has to say things of substance live in reaction to things happening in front of him at very high speeds.
I'm pulling for him because he's a part of the family. But let's not pretend these aren't massive shoes to fill by a guy that's never really done this before.
