Forslund contract negotiations

[Blueline Bomber]

I’d be fine if Forslund left for NBC. I’d be upset if he left for another team.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I’d be fine if Forslund left for NBC. I’d be upset if he left for another team.

Yep. If he leaves for another team, especially another southern one like Tampa, all the stuff about “well the team isn’t bringing in ticket revenue so we can’t give him a normal contract” goes out the window.

 

[bleedgreen]

Bittersweet if true. The only other play by play guy in my every day hockey obsession was Peckham. I was upset when he and Cheevers were shown the door because John has become now what Peckham was then imo. I wasn’t prepared to like John because I was young and annoyed with the change. I definitely liked the Darryl Reaugh aspect more because of it early on. I came around to John and let it go.

Hits home in a weird way for me to see him go where Rick did after moving on from the same job.

 

[saraciv420]

Well I’m the one that started that slant, not BB. I’m sorry if you took offense, especially to that level. My point was that I feel like you really excel as the insider in the room and do a good job of making them seem like people we can relate to. He made the comment about the analytics and I made the comment about the personal life. When I said that sometimes your hockey side wasn’t my bag it was a general statement and not necessarily the analytics, when you touch on that side I just don’t always relate to it. I can say that about MANY hockey writers, and that’s not personal. It also means that sometimes I AM fine with your hockey side. That aspect is just an opinion of the writing and as such should obviously be taken with a grain of salt. That has nothing to do with you being female.

When I made the comment about the personal life I honestly thought as a writer of your level you wouldn’t even blink in terms of being offended. You deal with far worse than that in my head, so hearing you say now that’s the thing that set you does make me feel bad because it’s intent wasn’t to hurt you. This new idea of journalism you’re presenting is a new world for me personally. You want to be taken seriously as a writer but your social media presence extends further than that into your personal life. We can easily see all of it and there’s no warning sticker about that (not that there should be, but as an old fart that’s new), or that we aren’t supposed to mix it all together in a soup.

I’m in my 40’s, and a look into the life of a twenty something female in today’s world while sometimes fascinating wasn’t what I was expecting or always looking for in my hockey coverage. As a group we tend to go overboard loving or disliking something and sometimes I like to post an opposing view just to show there’s two sides of everything. In my post I also clearly noted that as an old fart recognizing the changing culture that when I feel like it isn’t in my realm anymore I have to accept that this new approach bulls eyes a lot of people and that it’s good for team, and that I need to just go read something different when it crosses over. Accepting that you’re very good at this approach even if it’s not for me. I did say you even in my “boomer” mind you bring a lot positives to the team and enjoy a lot of what you do.

You’re big time now. You’re the voice of the team when they aren’t playing. It’s not my place to give advice or say “you should do this or that”. I am surprised you didn’t take some of this in stride and decided to skewer BB and or me in the forum you decided to instead of doing what you just did here. I’m a fan just like anyone else, I pay my 150 a year to follow the team on gamecenter and would love to see them live. I go to every single game here in CO when they travel here, I comment pretty much every day and in most game threads. These guys get upset at me sometimes, and roll their eyes as well - and they don’t hesitate to let me know. If you feel the same you’re always welcome to do it right here, we love the conversations. I love the conversations. I’m also a minority in terms of bringing up any aspect of you that isn’t 100% positive.

Anyways, thank you for coming on and saying something. Giving us the opportunity to throw in our two cents. I do apologize if what I said offended you.

I don't even know if I am quoting this right but I really appreciate this. And I want to say that I'm not looking for praise, and that even that has always made me uncomfortable. I see the flaws in what I do like you guys do, so maybe sometimes I just want everyone to know that I see it isn't all sunshine and rainbows and that there are ways I can improve. Like, half of the time when I bring up criticism I just want people to know that I know that I'm not walking around like I think I'm hot sh*t.

But I think with labeling certain things as sexist and dismissing it, I was doing exactly what I get so mad at people for doing to me -- judging without knowing me, and not giving the benefit of the doubt. I guess I get really upset when people form a certain idea of me that isn't entirely accurate and then I feel powerless but that's part of putting yourself out there.

And again, not everyone is going to like me and I need to learn to deal with that, but I take things so personal because I post such personal stuff. And that's a decision I make that has "worked out for me" in terms of social media growth but also makes me invested in what people think of me.

I honestly didn't realize putting this on Twitter was going to upset anyone, but reading through why it has makes sense. I didn't mean it as a way to weaponize it, and you guys can say whatever you want that's the point of this forum. It's nothing compared to Twitter, and I think some points you raise about me are fair.

Anyways, it's cool that y'all even know who I am and talk about my writing.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I wonder how much the NBC relationship is impairing his ability to land a new gig? The Covid factor adds another layer, too. Yet, makes TV and the viewer experience even more important with eyeballs to be had.

 

[AD Skinner]

If this happens I will shut myself in a closet and and do nothing but lie on the floor and listen to Simon and Garfunkel and the Smiths by candlelight for a week

 

[Canes]

Yep. If he leaves for another team, especially another southern one like Tampa, all the stuff about “well the team isn’t bringing in ticket revenue so we can’t give him a normal contract” goes out the window.

Unless we can compare the offers, it will be hard to make any conclusion. How do we know he won't be taking a massive pay cut in Tampa as well, especially with the rumors of them not being enthused about him missing time to work for NBC? Just because he takes another job doesn't really confirm anything.

 

[Roboturner913]

Do you know what love is?

I want you to show me
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No, not THAT

 

[hblueridgegal]

Since we can't post from The TB Athletic article....it confirms what the blogger posted last weekend..that they aren't interested in sharing someone with NBC. They want someone entrenched in the community in the ambassador role similar to how Forslund's been for us. He might have to make a choice to get the role. Plus, they are also considering going with a young gun.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't even know if I am quoting this right but I really appreciate this. And I want to say that I'm not looking for praise, and that even that has always made me uncomfortable. I see the flaws in what I do like you guys do, so maybe sometimes I just want everyone to know that I see it isn't all sunshine and rainbows and that there are ways I can improve. Like, half of the time when I bring up criticism I just want people to know that I know that I'm not walking around like I think I'm hot sh*t.

But I think with labeling certain things as sexist and dismissing it, I was doing exactly what I get so mad at people for doing to me -- judging without knowing me, and not giving the benefit of the doubt. I guess I get really upset when people form a certain idea of me that isn't entirely accurate and then I feel powerless but that's part of putting yourself out there.

And again, not everyone is going to like me and I need to learn to deal with that, but I take things so personal because I post such personal stuff. And that's a decision I make that has "worked out for me" in terms of social media growth but also makes me invested in what people think of me.

I honestly didn't realize putting this on Twitter was going to upset anyone, but reading through why it has makes sense. I didn't mean it as a way to weaponize it, and you guys can say whatever you want that's the point of this forum. It's nothing compared to Twitter, and I think some points you raise about me are fair.

Anyways, it's cool that y'all even know who I am and talk about my writing.

Thanks for saying all that, I definitely get you a lot better today than I have in the past. Coming here and being honest confirms the positive things we think about you, and honestly is brave in how you’re willing to show your own concerns about your work to a group of strangers. We’re quite often a shit show, I respect this a lot. Especially owning that you get emotional about all this too. Thank you for being our team person.

 

[Wolfpuck]

 

[WreckingCrew]

I don't even know if I am quoting this right but I really appreciate this. And I want to say that I'm not looking for praise, and that even that has always made me uncomfortable. I see the flaws in what I do like you guys do, so maybe sometimes I just want everyone to know that I see it isn't all sunshine and rainbows and that there are ways I can improve. Like, half of the time when I bring up criticism I just want people to know that I know that I'm not walking around like I think I'm hot sh*t.

But I think with labeling certain things as sexist and dismissing it, I was doing exactly what I get so mad at people for doing to me -- judging without knowing me, and not giving the benefit of the doubt. I guess I get really upset when people form a certain idea of me that isn't entirely accurate and then I feel powerless but that's part of putting yourself out there.

And again, not everyone is going to like me and I need to learn to deal with that, but I take things so personal because I post such personal stuff. And that's a decision I make that has "worked out for me" in terms of social media growth but also makes me invested in what people think of me.

I honestly didn't realize putting this on Twitter was going to upset anyone, but reading through why it has makes sense. I didn't mean it as a way to weaponize it, and you guys can say whatever you want that's the point of this forum. It's nothing compared to Twitter, and I think some points you raise about me are fair.

Anyways, it's cool that y'all even know who I am and talk about my writing.

Sara, I'm glad you stopped by not only to express your feelings and interpretation, but also to hear out others and try to understand them and their perspective better. This is how we all learn, with challenges and dialogue and sharing experiences. Sometimes intent and interpretation don't match up because we're all coming from different places. It's why we're kind of a dysfunctional family here...we overreact, we have polarizing opinions, we butt heads (and are buttheads), we pick, agree, disagree, but at the end of the day I don't think there are any true "grudges" from here (I've temporarily blocked people but nobody stays there permanently). And don't be afraid to stop by and share your opinion or call BS on any of us...no promises we'll go quietly into the night though (especially after months of no hockey)

 

[Canes]

Since we can't post from The TB Athletic article....it confirms what the blogger posted last weekend..that they aren't interested in sharing someone with NBC. They want someone entrenched in the community in the ambassador role similar to how Forslund's been for us. He might have to make a choice to get the role. Plus, they are also considering going with a young gun.

I can't imagine they would actually hire a guy like Buccigross or some no name young guy over Forslund... unless they actually don't really want to pay for a PBP guy too. Either that or it's a negotiating tactic to get Forslund for cheaper by floating this info.

 

[emptyNedder]

It's nothing compared to Twitter,

Sara—advice I have been giving everyone, listen to the podcast The Happiness Lab with Dr. Lori Santos. They talk briefly about how all social media act like drugs in that we crave it but it actually doesn't make us happy.

Anyway, I try to limit my "know-it-all" statements to Canes hockey, but I will say if you engage with the ideas in this podcast it will make your life better.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I do find it interesting those who will defend Tripp Tracy's style of color commentating, yet would find Sara's style lacking. There's at least one of you here, I suspect there's as many as a dozen.

If the criticism (even if only slight) is that she lacks the ability to comment on today's game from an analytical standpoint, then you pretty much have to severely dislike the job Tripp is doing. The difference between them? Sara's role in the telling of the Canes' story is not simply to break down the Xs and Os, whereas I would argue that is precisely the job Tripp is paid to do.

I'm not saying you should dislike Tripp. I'm saying if you're a Tripp Tracy fan yet critical of Sara's lack of technical analysis...you miiiiiiiiight be a sexist. Here's how you know: pretend Tripp Tracy is female and think about how much you like her as a color analyst. Then pretend Sara is male and think about how well he does his job bringing you news from the basement of PNC Arena.

I'm not saying you're a sexist. I'm saying you have a blind spot, and you should do more in response than simply deny that you're a stereotypical white male.

First — I agree with everything you’re saying here. Don’t take this as a rebuttal against implicit bias, because it’s not.

That said — Tripp went through a LONG period of being treated like a fruit loop around here. Really only in the last few years has he been treated like a beloved weirdo uncle.

This may possibly have more to do with tenure than anything. Sara’s still new, by Forslund/Tracy/Kaiton standards. People are still digesting her style and what she brings to the table, which leads to moments like this.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't even know if I am quoting this right but I really appreciate this. And I want to say that I'm not looking for praise, and that even that has always made me uncomfortable. I see the flaws in what I do like you guys do, so maybe sometimes I just want everyone to know that I see it isn't all sunshine and rainbows and that there are ways I can improve. Like, half of the time when I bring up criticism I just want people to know that I know that I'm not walking around like I think I'm hot sh*t.

But I think with labeling certain things as sexist and dismissing it, I was doing exactly what I get so mad at people for doing to me -- judging without knowing me, and not giving the benefit of the doubt. I guess I get really upset when people form a certain idea of me that isn't entirely accurate and then I feel powerless but that's part of putting yourself out there.

And again, not everyone is going to like me and I need to learn to deal with that, but I take things so personal because I post such personal stuff. And that's a decision I make that has "worked out for me" in terms of social media growth but also makes me invested in what people think of me.

I honestly didn't realize putting this on Twitter was going to upset anyone, but reading through why it has makes sense. I didn't mean it as a way to weaponize it, and you guys can say whatever you want that's the point of this forum. It's nothing compared to Twitter, and I think some points you raise about me are fair.

Anyways, it's cool that y'all even know who I am and talk about my writing.

Also, be careful sharing private information on here. We’re mostly trustworthy, but you don’t necessarily want your date of birth, 4/20, right there in your username.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Maybe this is a ridiculous idea, but could we start a GoFundMe to try to get Forslund to stay?

He belongs as much to the fans as to the team, if not more. Imagine proposing a COVID bridge for a year to help make him whole. Get 5000 fans to pony up a sawbuck, and that's a hundred grand. Maybe a drop in the bucket, maybe not.

Sign the contract, and all the money is yours. Don't sign, all the money goes to the Canes community foundation in your name.

Crazy?

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

That said — Tripp went through a LONG period of being treated like a fruit loop around here. Really only in the last few years has he been treated like a beloved weirdo uncle.

We have threads going back almost a decade 'celebrating' his more memorable quotes and moments.

 

[tarheelhockey]

We have threads going back almost a decade 'celebrating' his more memorable quotes and moments.

I’m not sure if that’s a rebuttal or an affirmation

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I’m not sure if that’s a rebuttal or an affirmation

whynotboth.gif

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I’m not sure if that’s a rebuttal or an affirmation

Oh an affirmation, for sure. In hindsight I could have made that more obvious.

 

[AD Skinner]

Maybe this is a ridiculous idea, but could we start a GoFundMe to try to get Forslund to stay?

He belongs as much to the fans as to the team, if not more. Imagine proposing a COVID bridge for a year to help make him whole. Get 5000 fans to pony up a sawbuck, and that's a hundred grand. Maybe a drop in the bucket, maybe not.

Sign the contract, and all the money is yours. Don't sign, all the money goes to the Canes community foundation in your name.

Crazy?

I've never had any interaction with a GoFundMe beyond just knowing what they are, but I'd throw a few bucks at this.

 

[bleedgreen]

I’d throw money at it. Just to show TD his methods are not always agreeable to the people he’s supposed to be the most concerned about while showing John how much we appreciate him.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Also, be careful sharing private information on here. We’re mostly trustworthy, but you don’t necessarily want your date of birth, 4/20, right there in your username.

Lolirl

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Also, be careful sharing private information on here. We’re mostly trustworthy, but you don’t necessarily want your date of birth, 4/20, right there in your username.

I for one think it's great we're getting to know each other better.

@saraciv420 what is your father's middle name and who was your favorite teacher in school?