Forslund contract negotiations

[Lempo]

While not a conspiracy theorist, a journalist realizes that the "real story" is about things that end up being conspiratorial (Watergate, clergy pedophilia, tobacco usage and cancer, the NFL and concussions).

Semi-related, but I'm in a personal crisis of belief regarding just this stuff. As we speak I'm in possession of knowledge and proof and actual court orders of some serious misdoings the reporting of which should be making a journalist a career and sending people in jail, but I'm tending to be really afraid that the press in reality is willingly in cahoots with the official people who do the crap I speak of all the time.

The supposed journalists really don't ask even the most obvious questions when reporting to the public what the powers that be give them. They report: "We did this thing." They don't ask: isn't that f***ing illegal what you just told you did?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I took offense with a statement of hers on twitter, where she stated that all white men were the same, in some offensive manner. I responded to her tweet with the dictionary definition of Racism...She immediately blocked me

I immediately cancelled Athletic subscription

She won't last, if she can't accept criticism of her sometimes moronic posts

You misunderstand the point of my post.

Sara presents herself as part of this particular Hurricanes message board family, and if one of the longtime family here screws up or offends her in some way, I'd prefer if she handled it in the family.

I don't know who you are. You're not any part of the Canes family I know. So I kinda don't give a shit if she Twitter blocked you, and for all I know you deserved it. Sorry.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Hurricanes message board family

DO YOU ACCEPT FOREIGNERS?

 

[Lempo]

DO YOU ACCEPT FOREIGNERS?

Do you know what love is?

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Do you know what love is?

BABY WON'T HURT ME?

 

[Tryamw]

Do you know what love is?

No. I'm more into Juke Box heroes

 

[bleedgreen]

No. I'm more into Juke Box heroes

Feels like the first time I’ve ever heard that.

 

[saraciv420]

Hi,

I posted the thing on Twitter because I do enjoy lurking on here much more than twitter, but all of the sudden I see someone literally say "I don't care about her life, I care about updates about my sports team" ...I guess that set me off more than the thing I tweeted, and that's what I should have addressed. And now that I have cooled down from seeing that, I probably shouldn't have tweeted it in retrospect, but as someone pointed out above, it was a long day with all of the sports workplace sexism discourse and I did feel like it was sexist to say that I rely on Dom for stuff. I always bring that up as a joke -- we work together, and of course I ask him about stuff in his area of expertise. After reading some expansion on the subject and some responses on Twitter I do see how I could've given the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow, though: Jaccob Slavin, everybody.

But I think I was just upset about the "I don't care about her life thing" ...I mean, you can follow my work on The Athletic if you don't care about my life. I don't get paid to tweet -- I do it for fun. That's OK if you don't like it, but I also just find the debate about why I do and say the things I do and say to be interesting because I think there's probably some subliminal truth to some of it about growing an audience, but I don't really think about it.

I will never stop posting about my views and I totally understand if you don't want that on your feed. I also understand if you don't like my writing! But the I don't care about her life thing sucked because as mentioned, I do like to hang out here and I like the updates on your lives!

 

[tarheelhockey]

Hi,

I posted the thing on Twitter because I do enjoy lurking on here much more than twitter, but all of the sudden I see someone literally say "I don't care about her life, I care about updates about my sports team" ...I guess that set me off more than the thing I tweeted, and that's what I should have addressed. And now that I have cooled down from seeing that, I probably shouldn't have tweeted it in retrospect, but as someone pointed out above, it was a long day with all of the sports workplace sexism discourse and I did feel like it was sexist to say that I rely on Dom for stuff. I always bring that up as a joke -- we work together, and of course I ask him about stuff in his area of expertise. After reading some expansion on the subject and some responses on Twitter I do see how I could've given the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow, though: Jaccob Slavin, everybody.

But I think I was just upset about the "I don't care about her life thing" ...I mean, you can follow my work on The Athletic if you don't care about my life. I don't get paid to tweet -- I do it for fun. That's OK if you don't like it, but I also just find the debate about why I do and say the things I do and say to be interesting because I think there's probably some subliminal truth to some of it about growing an audience, but I don't really think about it.

I will never stop posting about my views and I totally understand if you don't want that on your feed. I also understand if you don't like my writing! But the I don't care about her life thing sucked because as mentioned, I do like to hang out here and I like the updates on your lives!

Thanks for taking the time to close the circle on this.

Yesterday was a bad day for sports-workplace-sexism. It's understandable how (especially in social media format) the impressions from one conversation can bleed over to another, and the reader could experience them as being on the same spectrum of behavior.

Twitter and HF are just... very different places. There's a lot more space here to explain ourselves, and argue back and forth, and hug it out at the end. The beauty of it is that we go much deeper when we're fighting, and we end up caring a lot more about the people we're fighting with.

 

[emptyNedder]

I will never stop posting about my views and I totally understand if you don't want that on your feed. I also understand if you don't like my writing! But the I don't care about her life thing sucked because as mentioned, I do like to hang out here and I like the updates on your lives!

Sara. Thanks for responding here. That is an upstanding thing, you should be commended.

As to Twitter, I won't ever see your posts because I don't have an account. Prior to going down the rabbit hole of HF-26, I was really enmeshed in political/economic discussion on various sites/boards. The vitriol on Twitter in those spheres is problematic for many reasons. So I just avoid it.

You seem to gain pleasure from both your work with The Athletic and on Twitter. Good for you. Here's hoping you can also join us occasionally for some interesting discussions—you can skip the jejune posts

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Hi,

I posted the thing on Twitter because I do enjoy lurking on here much more than twitter, but all of the sudden I see someone literally say "I don't care about her life, I care about updates about my sports team" ...I guess that set me off more than the thing I tweeted, and that's what I should have addressed. And now that I have cooled down from seeing that, I probably shouldn't have tweeted it in retrospect, but as someone pointed out above, it was a long day with all of the sports workplace sexism discourse and I did feel like it was sexist to say that I rely on Dom for stuff. I always bring that up as a joke -- we work together, and of course I ask him about stuff in his area of expertise. After reading some expansion on the subject and some responses on Twitter I do see how I could've given the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow, though: Jaccob Slavin, everybody.

But I think I was just upset about the "I don't care about her life thing" ...I mean, you can follow my work on The Athletic if you don't care about my life. I don't get paid to tweet -- I do it for fun. That's OK if you don't like it, but I also just find the debate about why I do and say the things I do and say to be interesting because I think there's probably some subliminal truth to some of it about growing an audience, but I don't really think about it.

I will never stop posting about my views and I totally understand if you don't want that on your feed. I also understand if you don't like my writing! But the I don't care about her life thing sucked because as mentioned, I do like to hang out here and I like the updates on your lives!

Thank you.

*hug*

Hope you're ok.

 

[bleedgreen]

Hi,

I posted the thing on Twitter because I do enjoy lurking on here much more than twitter, but all of the sudden I see someone literally say "I don't care about her life, I care about updates about my sports team" ...I guess that set me off more than the thing I tweeted, and that's what I should have addressed. And now that I have cooled down from seeing that, I probably shouldn't have tweeted it in retrospect, but as someone pointed out above, it was a long day with all of the sports workplace sexism discourse and I did feel like it was sexist to say that I rely on Dom for stuff. I always bring that up as a joke -- we work together, and of course I ask him about stuff in his area of expertise. After reading some expansion on the subject and some responses on Twitter I do see how I could've given the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow, though: Jaccob Slavin, everybody.

But I think I was just upset about the "I don't care about her life thing" ...I mean, you can follow my work on The Athletic if you don't care about my life. I don't get paid to tweet -- I do it for fun. That's OK if you don't like it, but I also just find the debate about why I do and say the things I do and say to be interesting because I think there's probably some subliminal truth to some of it about growing an audience, but I don't really think about it.

I will never stop posting about my views and I totally understand if you don't want that on your feed. I also understand if you don't like my writing! But the I don't care about her life thing sucked because as mentioned, I do like to hang out here and I like the updates on your lives!

Well I’m the one that started that slant, not BB. I’m sorry if you took offense, especially to that level. My point was that I feel like you really excel as the insider in the room and do a good job of making them seem like people we can relate to. He made the comment about the analytics and I made the comment about the personal life. When I said that sometimes your hockey side wasn’t my bag it was a general statement and not necessarily the analytics, when you touch on that side I just don’t always relate to it. I can say that about MANY hockey writers, and that’s not personal. It also means that sometimes I AM fine with your hockey side. That aspect is just an opinion of the writing and as such should obviously be taken with a grain of salt. That has nothing to do with you being female.

When I made the comment about the personal life I honestly thought as a writer of your level you wouldn’t even blink in terms of being offended. You deal with far worse than that in my head, so hearing you say now that’s the thing that set you off does make me feel bad because it’s intent wasn’t to hurt you. This new idea of journalism you’re presenting is a new world for me personally. You want to be taken seriously as a writer but your social media presence extends further than that into your personal life. We can easily see all of it and there’s no warning sticker about that (not that there should be, but as an old fart that’s new), or that we aren’t supposed to mix it all together in a soup.

I’m in my 40’s, and a look into the life of a twenty something female in today’s world while sometimes fascinating wasn’t what I was expecting or always looking for in my hockey coverage. As a group we tend to go overboard loving or disliking something and sometimes I like to post an opposing view just to show there’s two sides of everything. In my post I also clearly noted that as an old fart recognizing the changing culture that when I feel like it isn’t in my realm anymore I have to accept that this new approach bulls eyes a lot of people and that it’s good for team, and that I need to just go read something different when it crosses over. Accepting that you’re very good at this approach even if it’s not for me. I did say you even in my “boomer” mind you bring a lot positives to the team and enjoy a lot of what you do.

You’re big time now. You’re the voice of the team when they aren’t playing. It’s not my place to give advice or say “you should do this or that”. I am surprised you didn’t take some of this in stride and decided to skewer BB and or me in the forum you decided to instead of doing what you just did here. I’m a fan just like anyone else, I pay my 150 a year to follow the team on gamecenter and would love to see them live. I go to every single game here in CO when they travel here, I comment pretty much every day and in most game threads. These guys get upset at me sometimes, and roll their eyes as well - and they don’t hesitate to let me know. If you feel the same you’re always welcome to do it right here, we love the conversations. I love the conversations. I’m also a minority in terms of bringing up any aspect of you that isn’t 100% positive.

Anyways, thank you for coming on and saying something. Giving us the opportunity to throw in our two cents. I do apologize if what I said offended you.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

DO YOU ACCEPT FOREIGNERS?

ONLY WHEN THEY SHOUT AT US

 

[cptjeff]

Hi,

I posted the thing on Twitter because I do enjoy lurking on here much more than twitter, but all of the sudden I see someone literally say "I don't care about her life, I care about updates about my sports team" ...I guess that set me off more than the thing I tweeted, and that's what I should have addressed. And now that I have cooled down from seeing that, I probably shouldn't have tweeted it in retrospect, but as someone pointed out above, it was a long day with all of the sports workplace sexism discourse and I did feel like it was sexist to say that I rely on Dom for stuff. I always bring that up as a joke -- we work together, and of course I ask him about stuff in his area of expertise. After reading some expansion on the subject and some responses on Twitter I do see how I could've given the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow, though: Jaccob Slavin, everybody.

But I think I was just upset about the "I don't care about her life thing" ...I mean, you can follow my work on The Athletic if you don't care about my life. I don't get paid to tweet -- I do it for fun. That's OK if you don't like it, but I also just find the debate about why I do and say the things I do and say to be interesting because I think there's probably some subliminal truth to some of it about growing an audience, but I don't really think about it.

I will never stop posting about my views and I totally understand if you don't want that on your feed. I also understand if you don't like my writing! But the I don't care about her life thing sucked because as mentioned, I do like to hang out here and I like the updates on your lives!

I think a big part of it is that you can't be everything to everybody. Most of us have been following this team for at least a decade, and we have never had a writer purely dedicated to the Canes beat with the kind of support and access you have. Never. So when the Athletic decided they would be hiring somebody for your role, everybody had very different ideas of what they wanted that to look like. Some people really want the really fine grained Dom Lxzxzxzzx (sorry man, but...) or Justin Bourne type technical analysis of hockey, and I don't think there's any shame in saying that the bulk of your work is not that. Some want a really confrontational investigative reporter to hold the team to account. There are definitely times when I want that too (noting the thread we're in), but I think everyone gets that that's virtually impossible when you rely on close and friendly relationships with the team for your job.

But for better or for worse (IMO for the better), you generally write human stories, you're not playing video coach or Eric Tulsky in most of your pieces. You bring us inside the team and tell us stories we didn't hear before, sometimes directly related to what happens on the ice, sometimes what happens off of it. That's not going to be to everyone's taste- I really love that kind of coverage, so I'm quite happy to have you around, but it's not what everyone is looking for, and sometimes they're going to blow off steam about what they want you to be.

Anyway, at least some of us love what you're doing. My only criticism is that your pieces are too short and there aren't enough of them.

 

[DaveG]

Do you know what love is?

I'm pretty sure he's cold as ice when he's in vengeance mode... or would that be more hot blooded?

 

[geehaad]

I do find it interesting those who will defend Tripp Tracy's style of color commentating, yet would find Sara's style lacking. There's at least one of you here, I suspect there's as many as a dozen.

If the criticism (even if only slight) is that she lacks the ability to comment on today's game from an analytical standpoint, then you pretty much have to severely dislike the job Tripp is doing. The difference between them? Sara's role in the telling of the Canes' story is not simply to break down the Xs and Os, whereas I would argue that is precisely the job Tripp is paid to do.

I'm not saying you should dislike Tripp. I'm saying if you're a Tripp Tracy fan yet critical of Sara's lack of technical analysis...you miiiiiiiiight be a sexist. Here's how you know: pretend Tripp Tracy is female and think about how much you like her as a color analyst. Then pretend Sara is male and think about how well he does his job bringing you news from the basement of PNC Arena.

I'm not saying you're a sexist. I'm saying you have a blind spot, and you should do more in response than simply deny that you're a stereotypical white male.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Sara if you keep lurking here we promise to keep having one (1) thread-derailing debate about you per year.

 

[Lempo]

Sara if you keep lurking here we promise to keep having one (1) thread-derailing debate about you per year.

*serious

 

[Blueline Bomber]

For the record, I don’t mind Sara’s personal life tweets. It’s what Twitter is for. If I can use it to discuss the Hurricanes and simultaneously occasionally show off my Animal Crossing island, I don’t see how it’s much different for Sara to discuss the Hurricanes and obsess over White Claw.

I do wish she had discussed it here first instead of immediately venting on Twitter, but I can understand why she might not have felt comfortable doing so. No harm done in the long run.

 

[hblueridgegal]

 

[Lempo]

I'm pretty sure he's cold as ice when he's in vengeance mode... or would that be more hot blooded?

I've let myself been told it's a serving best dished out cold.

 

[bleedgreen]

I do find it interesting those who will defend Tripp Tracy's style of color commentating, yet would find Sara's style lacking. There's at least one of you here, I suspect there's as many as a dozen.

If the criticism (even if only slight) is that she lacks the ability to comment on today's game from an analytical standpoint, then you pretty much have to severely dislike the job Tripp is doing. The difference between them? Sara's role in the telling of the Canes' story is not simply to break down the Xs and Os, whereas I would argue that is precisely the job Tripp is paid to do.

I'm not saying you should dislike Tripp. I'm saying if you're a Tripp Tracy fan yet critical of Sara's lack of technical analysis...you miiiiiiiiight be a sexist. Here's how you know: pretend Tripp Tracy is female and think about how much you like her as a color analyst. Then pretend Sara is male and think about how well he does his job bringing you news from the basement of PNC Arena.

I'm not saying you're a sexist. I'm saying you have a blind spot, and you should do more in response than simply deny that you're a stereotypical white male.

If you mean this at least partially towards me......I’ve been tearing Tripp a new one for a decade at least. The reason I always refer to how I often watch other teams broadcasts just to get different thoughts about us was brought on by not being able to listen to Tripp at all. For a year I listened to Kaiton while watching just because I couldn’t handle Tripp, until I couldn’t handle the delay his broadcast created anymore. Then I was 80% other teams broadcasts. I made peace with it to some extent because everyone here would be arguing about a call that the other teams broadcast didn’t even notice, I was missing half of what everyone was talking about so I came back. In the end Tripp just becomes the family member you cringe at during thanksgiving dinner.

I don’t feel like a sexist for having my opinions on this, but I’m open to the conversation that it’s being interpreted that way, if you mean me.

 

[Lempo]

And now the f***wits decide they got something to report.

 

[DaveG]

Hi,

I posted the thing on Twitter because I do enjoy lurking on here much more than twitter, but all of the sudden I see someone literally say "I don't care about her life, I care about updates about my sports team" ...I guess that set me off more than the thing I tweeted, and that's what I should have addressed. And now that I have cooled down from seeing that, I probably shouldn't have tweeted it in retrospect, but as someone pointed out above, it was a long day with all of the sports workplace sexism discourse and I did feel like it was sexist to say that I rely on Dom for stuff. I always bring that up as a joke -- we work together, and of course I ask him about stuff in his area of expertise. After reading some expansion on the subject and some responses on Twitter I do see how I could've given the benefit of the doubt on that.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow, though: Jaccob Slavin, everybody.

But I think I was just upset about the "I don't care about her life thing" ...I mean, you can follow my work on The Athletic if you don't care about my life. I don't get paid to tweet -- I do it for fun. That's OK if you don't like it, but I also just find the debate about why I do and say the things I do and say to be interesting because I think there's probably some subliminal truth to some of it about growing an audience, but I don't really think about it.

I will never stop posting about my views and I totally understand if you don't want that on your feed. I also understand if you don't like my writing! But the I don't care about her life thing sucked because as mentioned, I do like to hang out here and I like the updates on your lives!

Glad you stopped by to give your side of things here Sara. I think what we tend to forget from time to time here is that a lot of stuff we say is not going to appear anywhere near what we intend it to even if we have no ill intent. We end up collectively taking our idiosyncrasies for granted. God knows how often I have to go back and edit something that I've written myself in the process of posting because of the way it could come off, and then I have to ask myself if I weren't a mod would I be as careful about it as I am being in making sure I'm not giving a bad look?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

This is bad news.

Either we formally lose John or we get to hear “filthy silky thin mints” any time we want to watch Kucherov, Point, and Stamkos.