Forslund contract negotiations

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Ooof. Sounds like the organization is F-ing over everybody and only John has the ability to tell them to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Yeah, this is what I was referring to in the response about “own accord”. I have no clue what exactly the offer was, but it seems like it was a low enough “take it or leave it” type scenario. I don’t think John is doing a “woe is me” at all. I suspect he likely wants to stay and would if it was reasonable and is probably frustrated the there isn’t even any negotiating.
 
I think that Canes is dead set that this will be the broadcast employee contract model from now one. If they now went back on John, they would have much harder time to enforce this contract policy choice when the contracts are next up for the 17 others.

It's not about John's money, it's about the whole broadcast team employee budget that the organization just managed to cut down very sizeably and isn't about to back out.

In the bigger picture, in the workers' rights scene the big issue currently is to resist any permanent changes for worse that the employer tries to push through on the pretext of corona.

In my own personal case there were very quick temporary changes in law on how you can furlough people. You can kind of see that the employer organizations are currently pushing every employer to use these even if it's detrimental to their current production, so that they can afterwards argue that the measures by the new laws were super good and highly effective and beneficial to the economy and need to be made permanent.
 


Jesus. Such message acting victim due to some sex, or other origin thing is a way to destroy all respect in a one message. I have never had any opiniob about sara to any direction, but after such " argumentation", she will always be simply childish idiot for me and i wish i never have to read or see her thoughts ever again about anything anywhere.
 
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It is sad you can’t disagree or not like someone because of their words or actions. Instead you can only disagree because of physical differences and you will get drug through the mud with no way to defend yourself.

Or maybe its the judged that choose to believe the 2nd sentence so they don’t have to process how not everyone prefers them or it is their fault. Nah that cant be it.
 
@Blueline Bomber has not said anything that was related to her sex, this was such an incredibly weak retort. If you couple that with mobilisation of your followers...

Really low. Guess the only redeeming trait is not using the nickname.


Jesus. Such message acting victim due to some sex, or other origin thing is a way to destroy all respect in a one message. I have never had any opiniob about sara to any direction, but after such " argumentation", she will always be simply childish idiot for me and i wish i never have to read or see her thoughts ever again about anything anywhere.
 
So was I sexist too? Lol. I actually did get named.

Interesting medium crossover happening here. We come here to talk/debate our team and our sport, not be part of her movement. The comments made had nothing to do with her being female.

I’m not a Pronman fan at all. He’s not female obviously. We have female posters. We never really “go there”.
 
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So was I sexist too? Lol. I actually did get named.

Interesting medium crossover happening here. We come here to talk/debate our team and our sport, not be part of her movement. The comments made had nothing to do with her being female.

I’m not a Pronman fan at all. He’s not female obviously. We have female posters. We never really “go there”.
We may see some new posters today showing up to defend her honor. Sorry you got named in that one.
 
So was I sexist too? Lol. I actually did get named.

Interesting medium crossover happening here. We come here to talk/debate our team and our sport, not be part of her movement. The comments made had nothing to do with her being female.

I’m not a Pronman fan at all. He’s not female obviously. We have female posters. We never really “go there”.

If anything I think you would be in line for an “OK Boomer”
 
Regarding salary cuts, FWIW:

Yesterday I got a call from the ticket office. My payment had bounced (I didn’t think to update the expiration date when I got a new card) so they were following up. A couple of things came out of that conversation:

- The call came from a guy who isn’t my usual rep. He mentioned she is still employed there, but they are “going with a smaller staff for now”.

- I mentioned that I hadn’t seen any official update from the team since May 15, and wondered if I had been dropped from the mailing list or something. He said no, they just haven’t sent anything out because they are “going with a smaller staff for now”.

It took a few twists and turns in the conversation before he finally used the word “furloughs”.

We need to not underestimate the financial strain on the organization right now. The headlines in the Triangle this morning say schools are going to stay closed this fall. Forget having hockey games any time soon, that simply isn’t going to happen for the foreseeable future. There’s almost no revenue on the horizon... the Canes stand to lose millions this year.

I know these hardball negotiations are a pattern and John would have been at the middle of it regardless. But the extent of the “no negotiations” stance strongly suggests to me that this is not just about metrics. Wanting them to Just Pay The Man only works if they are in a financial situation where that extra $100K is actually available to them.
 
So was I sexist too? Lol. I actually did get named.

Interesting medium crossover happening here. We come here to talk/debate our team and our sport, not be part of her movement. The comments made had nothing to do with her being female.

I’m not a Pronman fan at all. He’s not female obviously. We have female posters. We never really “go there”.

Yeah, I apologize about that. Obviously, if I knew that Sara would take offense and decide to weaponize her followers (something she was called out for, acknowledged, and said she’d try to stop doing during the whole Aho drama), I’d have left your name out of it. It was simply easier at the time to simply mention your name, since the mobile site is an absolute nightmare on the phone.

I’m still not sure where this drama came from. Judging from the responses, it was the insinuation that she doesn’t do any research for her articles(?), which I don’t think I implied. I only mentioned the Dom comment since it’s something she’s done multiple times, and she herself even has said so in her Twitter responses. But it’s apparently a joke? One that flew over my head, I suppose.

I was simply saying that writers have strengths and weaknesses in their skill set, and IMO, trying to write about the analytical side of the game is one of hers. I was the exact opposite. When I wrote, I loved digging through the numbers to see if I could quantify the unquantifiable. In fact (way back before advanced statistics were “a thing” in hockey), my first article was a big piece trying to determine if we could identify “home ice advantage” through statistics and if so, who had the biggest advantage.

But ask me to write a human interest piece? I’d hate writing it, it’d show in the writing, which in turn made me hate having to associate my name on the published work. I wouldn’t promote those articles at all and simply pray they’d die a quick painless death. It’s extremely difficult to write when the passion isn’t there :laugh:
 
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Devil's advocate: 17 of 18 (or something to that tune) took the similar offer that Canes put to them, so in that sense it doesn't look like a "go away" offer.

But obviously it quite likely is a serious pay cut to everyone in question, and obviously the form of employment is transformed into one that is substantial worsening to the employee. And the thing is, even if coronavirus situation ultimately will get better, this won't change back to what it was anymore. This was the employer making a very harsh opportunistic move with permanent implications on the terms of work, the sort that will send your best employees evaluating their options.

And having had everyone else in their employment swallow it, it's hard for the Canes to give Forslund a preferential treatment at this point lest there be a revolt of some sort.
It would be interesting to see how many of these employees actually stick it out with this new compensation plan. If it was offered to me I would have no choice but to accept it, however I would immediately start pursuing other employment. I am sure many others will as well. I think this will cause a lot of turnover once the employment climate returns to normal.
 
Regarding salary cuts, FWIW:

Yesterday I got a call from the ticket office. My payment had bounced (I didn’t think to update the expiration date when I got a new card) so they were following up. A couple of things came out of that conversation:

- The call came from a guy who isn’t my usual rep. He mentioned she is still employed there, but they are “going with a smaller staff for now”.

- I mentioned that I hadn’t seen any official update from the team since May 15, and wondered if I had been dropped from the mailing list or something. He said no, they just haven’t sent anything out because they are “going with a smaller staff for now”.

It took a few twists and turns in the conversation before he finally used the word “furloughs”.

We need to not underestimate the financial strain on the organization right now. The headlines in the Triangle this morning say schools are going to stay closed this fall. Forget having hockey games any time soon, that simply isn’t going to happen for the foreseeable future. There’s almost no revenue on the horizon... the Canes stand to lose millions this year.

I know these hardball negotiations are a pattern and John would have been at the middle of it regardless. But the extent of the “no negotiations” stance strongly suggests to me that this is not just about metrics. Wanting them to Just Pay The Man only works if they are in a financial situation where that extra $100K is actually available to them.

That's good info. Maybe the "door being open" literally just means "when hockey's back, if he's not somewhere else we'll bring him back." I can see them saying "for this year, with all the uncertainty, this is what the deal would need to be, then when things go back to normal we can have more traditional negotiations." Maybe everyone else thought that's better than no job, but of course everyone else doesn't have an NBC gig.
 
It would be interesting to see how many of these employees actually stick it out with this new compensation plan. If it was offered to me I would have no choice but to accept it, however I would immediately start pursuing other employment. I am sure many others will as well. I think this will cause a lot of turnover once the employment climate returns to normal.

Agreed. During the financial crisis, I had a position where the entire department was cut back to 75% salary and 30 hours a week to avoid laying anyone off. Did I immediately resign? No. Did I immediately update my resume and start searching for other work? Yes.
 

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