Forslund contract negotiations

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That's the thing too, it's not JUST about replacing Forslund, it's about finding someone who can mesh as well with Tripp as he did. That was a big part, Tripp's off the wall tangents and rants that John could both build on AND reel back casually...and that he could do both PBP & side-chat seemingly simultaneously. They had great on-air chemistry and balance.
It wasn't always that easy with John easier. I've mentioned John's play by play grew by leaps and bounds, but his ability to play along with Tripp did as well. A guy like Mike might be a good step in a guy that already is willing to play along with Tripp.
 
I just want play by play that is palatable.

80% of Shaya's calls were: "He crosses the blue line, he passes, he shoots, he tips it, oh and he gets the rebound but the puck goes wide".

I like to know who is actually doing those things. Gotta paint a picture. It will suck to lose Forslund's da Vinci detail but they gotta find more than a 3rd grade finger painting. From what I remember Maniscalco was better.

That piece of it you can’t really pin on Shaya. It’s his job to know who the guys are in the AHL. John gets the wrong opposite g player sometimes and there may not be a human being on earth that prepares more than he does. Stepping in to a league you don’t work in to call PBP cannot be easy for player recognition.
 
That piece of it you can’t really pin on Shaya. It’s his job to know who the guys are in the AHL. John gets the wrong opposite g player sometimes and there may not be a human being on earth that prepares more than he does. Stepping in to a league you don’t work in to call PBP cannot be easy for player recognition.

I mean, I watched a ton of Checkers games on AHL.tv, and yes, Shaya was better at calling the actual Checkers games, and he was just better in general because he was one guy doing both color and PBP. It's a different vibe, and he's pretty good at it. But he still has a ton of annoying tics. Even on Checkers games, he'll yell "FIRES!" and Mrs. Hank will yell "SHUT UP SHAYA" from the other room. He's just not NHL caliber, I don't think. He's a AAAA announcer.
 
I mean, I watched a ton of Checkers games on AHL.tv, and yes, Shaya was better at calling the actual Checkers games, and he was just better in general because he was one guy doing both color and PBP. It's a different vibe, and he's pretty good at it. But he still has a ton of annoying tics. Even on Checkers games, he'll yell "FIRES!" and Mrs. Hank will yell "SHUT UP SHAYA" from the other room. He's just not NHL caliber, I don't think. He's a AAAA announcer.
Every announcer has crutches they lean on, even John. I've heard plenty of NHL announcers that use fires frequently. Doc may be the king of ridiculous tics, and while he's somewhat polarizing, he's clearly had the big job for a long time.

Now, the doesn't describe things well enough mentioned before, I haven't listened to him enough, but that would be a much bigger nail in the coffin for being an NHL caliber announcer.
 
Every announcer has crutches they lean on, even John. I've heard plenty of NHL announcers that use fires frequently. Doc may be the king of ridiculous tics, and while he's somewhat polarizing, he's clearly had the big job for a long time.

Now, the doesn't describe things well enough mentioned before, I haven't listened to him enough, but that would be a much bigger nail in the coffin for being an NHL caliber announcer.

Sure. But Shaya's tics are bad, and obvious. I've heard him enough to know that even at his best, I don't like him very much. Give the job to Big Rig and see what happens.
 
He's just not NHL caliber, I don't think. He's a AAAA announcer.
Totally agree and that's not a knock on him. Play by play is hard. I think the biggest step down from Forslund to Shaya is the gravitas- John is really good at not just describing what happens, but the importance of it and why. He does that not just with his actual words but with how fired up he gets/his tone. If anyone is unsure how hard it is turn on a game you havent seen before and try it out with the tv on mute. Shaya isnt awful but John is superb and I am very very bummed it has come to this
 
Luke:
With Forslund now officially out of the mix for the FS Carolinas broadcasts of the Hurricanes’ preliminary-round series against the New York Rangers starting August 1, the end of his three-decade tenure with the team appears imminent even as Hurricanes general manager Don Waddell has said the door remains open for Forslund’s return. There have been no negotiations in July, no movement toward the middle between sides that remain far apart.

“John and I talked on Friday,” Waddell said. “We left the door open. We’re not negotiating anything right now, but we’ll get through this and see where we go.”

Last Friday, Forslund told the team in the absence of a new contract, he would work for NBC during the playoffs instead. On Wednesday, for the first time since 1991, Forslund did not receive a bimonthly paycheck from the Hurricanes.

Maniscalco is the planned replacement for the remainder of this season at least.
 
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I mean, I watched a ton of Checkers games on AHL.tv, and yes, Shaya was better at calling the actual Checkers games, and he was just better in general because he was one guy doing both color and PBP. It's a different vibe, and he's pretty good at it. But he still has a ton of annoying tics. Even on Checkers games, he'll yell "FIRES!" and Mrs. Hank will yell "SHUT UP SHAYA" from the other room. He's just not NHL caliber, I don't think. He's a AAAA announcer.

I don't think we write him off as a AAAA announcer just yet. Sure, he didn't quite rise to the occasion when he was called up. But since then he's had a lot more AHL games under his belt, and another offseason to grow.

TBH I'm a little disappointed that we didn't add him to the crew for the playoffs. It would have been a great opportunity for him to hang around the veterans and maybe learn something... and who knows, maybe someone gets COVID and we have a chance for him to step in and shine. That can be a career-changer. But in any case, I think we go into camp this year with the intent for him to be a permanent fixture. Most likely he won't struggle and need a replacement at this point. But if he does, 2021-22 would surely be the point where we could rely on him to make the leap. Or maybe 2022-23, if he's a late bloomer. After that it's kind of a contract thing but who knows, sometimes these guys work out.
 
maniscalco was unlistenable when he stepped into the booth last time. he sounded like the guy from major league when uecker left the booth. "fly ball..... caught." just scared senseless.

if it's true they're moving on from john, i am moving on from anything other than listening to out of town broadcasts. i'll miss tripp, but i'm not going to listen to kiss without gene simmons.
 
One positive of Maniscalco doing play by play is that we shouldn't have to witness and hear his excrutiating pre/mid/post game interviews with players. Hopefully.

Nino scores off a rebound.

Mike: So Nino. You went to the front of the net and sort of camped out there banging bodies and waiting for a shot to come your way. What were you thinking and were you hoping for a juicy rebound?

Nino as well as the viewing audience, wishing he could say: Actually Mike, there's a hot blond in section 117 that I had a great view of while in the crease. Just lucky the puck hit my stick. What do you think I was doing? You **@@#$#* idiot.

Like the guy but this is not his forte.
 
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Let’s be honest, we’re going to hate whoever comes next regardless, Understandable though.
I'm more than willing to give anyone a chance. Mike seems like an odd choice, but I'll still tune in and hope he improves. I like that he truly loves the team, unlike some outsiders that might come in. I don't love that he's a massive homer and all the questions he answers in his questions as mentioned.
 
It's not a great situation overall, but so far, nothing's changed from what I can tell. Forslund's going to be calling playoff games for NBC, while the Canes find someone to fill in while he does.

Doesn't mean there won't be more negotiations after the playoffs are over.
 
the problem in this is that forslund and dundon don't seem like the perfect match for negotiations. let's be honest, most announcers around the league are scared to death of being let go because they have no identity/skillset outside that position and nothing to commodify. not naming any names.... but there's a reason certain people are deciding to take their act on the web right now and they absolutely should be, because a small but devoted fanbase is not enough. you need to be relevant in other spaces and to be where eyes are moving. as much as we love him, forslund doesn't have much by way of leverage. do you think there are charts and graphs his team could provide to tangibly show his worth to the hurricanes? there are none because his value is intrinsically linked to his position. he doesn't have an audience that travels and dundon knows because he's smart that ratings may only be marginally impacted by his departure. so what does dundon offer? a contract based on ways you can tangibly measure your VORP, for you stat nerds. so when you look at the numbers i am looking at, mr. forslund, it doesn't matter if you're the best in the business or background chatter at the bar being talked over. if you want ten times what a replacement makes, show me your WAR.

the brightest star in the hurricanes universe from a media perspective (hello by the way) is sara civian. the sort of immersion she's creating with her branding being indistinguishable from her content makes you feel like you have a friend that covers the team, and that sort of connection is what is driving her content value. if you tweet from your professional account like it's your personal account, you're sharing the entire emotional spectrum of being a fan. so then people start to become invested in you as a person because you're relatable. there's not this iron curtain between personal and professional like you have with chip alexander for example. do you know if chip alexander has a dog or is he just a disembodied head? i sure as hell don't know and the guy has been covering the team for the last god knows how long. you only recognize him in the byline because the school of journalism he's from, the goal was to sound as much like everyone else as possible and a sprinkle, an absolute morsel of who you are as a person for flavor. the ticker tape journalist with a pencil behind his ear with rolled up sleeves is dead. it's just entirely over. hard hitting journalism is basically over because it takes too much time. pieces that take six months to put together and get the same amount of hits as a stream of consciousness recollection of the game.... who does that serve? who gets paid? on the day of a back to back, who wants to read observations about the game the next morning? why can't we read them now? the deadline is as soon as you f***ing can. now write/ right now.

but say you instead spend the day tweeting on topics unrelated to hockey with hockey being prominent enough to keep the people who just want hurricanes news happy on a daily basis for 6 months instead? the caveat being that you have to be funny, clever, emotionally reachable and controversial enough to draw eyes. you pick up 15k followers and you have a traveling show, folks. now you move to another market and because you have a personal feeling relationship with those fans from the prior market, many of them stay. now you get exposure to another fanbase and start the process again. each time you exponentially increase your readership. sara won't be here for much longer unless she just wants to be. she could be totally cool with the current pace of things and want to stay. but if she were out to professionally maximize her equity as a media personality, that would probably require her to put her work in front of an entirely new set of fans and the quickest and most efficient way to do that is to just .....go somewhere else. people aren't getting their big breaks anymore, they're just manifesting them on twitter. farming a reputation.

forslund and tripp alike are negotiating from a position of weakness from not changing with the times. sometimes today's kaiton is right in front of your face and it's painful to say that when you have two guys who are just authentically sewn into the fabric of the team. there was a time people felt that way about kaiton, but by the time he was starting to get pushed around nobody cared anymore about the radio broadcast and people wanted to keep him around like a houseplant. because he'd always been there and we have emotional connections to the idea of things not changing at times that have no correlation to actual value to us or the team. it was just comforting to know that chuck was in that booth pronouncing names funny even if we never heard him do it anymore. our nostalgia isn't marketable. who makes the money?

it's an insult to john how much value the position he occupies has lost, but we all must recognize it has. he will 100% find work, but not from an organization that uses data like this one. it's a damn shame but when the game ends and john signs off, he disappears almost literally. for you to truly survive in this new media market, the lights can never go out. the show is always on. twenty four hours a day of the sweet money making clicks of tens of thousands of phones illuminating the dark bedrooms of everyone on your block as we spend another sleepless night casting our existential dread and shorter than ever attention spans into live action reactions and the understandable sponsored tweet every now and then, everybody has to make money after all.
 
It has become a game in itself with today’s news cycles. For the ones who do it well, whether it be sports, politics, etc, they find a happy medium of professional with a touch of personal. Some reek of transparent calculation and manipulation though.
 
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I'm more than willing to give anyone a chance. Mike seems like an odd choice, but I'll still tune in and hope he improves. I like that he truly loves the team, unlike some outsiders that might come in. I don't love that he's a massive homer and all the questions he answers in his questions as mentioned.

It occurred to me the timing for both of these quarantine negotiations makes things difficult:

Forslund is without a contract. Shaya was the most frequently used replacement announcer, but remember he's employed by the Checkers, and the Canes relationship with Charlotte is still unclear. So unless they are ready to hire Shaya full time right now, they are going to go with the internal candidate as an interim replacement.
 
It seems Sara’s boyfriend has joined the conversation.

you get better hockey writing from anyone on the CanesCountry crew.
 
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