Former Canucks Thread 2023-24 Off-Season Edition

[F A N]

The statement of getting rid of OEL was far more important than actually getting rid of the player and his contributions.

Meh. These supposed "statements" are mostly fan fiction. It's not like the Canucks have been unwilling to spend money or trade futures in an effort to win. Players care about the players in the room. OEL was coming off a bad season but I doubt most of the players looked at OEL and thought "if only management bought him out."

And this wasn't some brilliant stroke by management either. They were reportedly looking to move Garland or Boeser to free up cap space. Could OEL and Myers formed a good 2nd pairing last season? I think so.

I've always maintained that buying out OEL this summer as opposed to last is better. By buying out last summer the team got $7M+ in cap space last year. This year the gain was a little less than $5M. In year 3 and year 4 the cap savings is slightly less than $2.5M. While OEL is aging, it's questionable as to whether we'll be able to upgrade over OEL in years 3 and 4 with that ~$2.5M. Right now in year 2 OEL would be the team's 2nd best LD.

 

[kaiser matias]

Moe Lemay, who played for the Canucks in the 1980s, died.

 

[HairyKneel]

Meh. These supposed "statements" are mostly fan fiction. It's not like the Canucks have been unwilling to spend money or trade futures in an effort to win. Players care about the players in the room. OEL was coming off a bad season but I doubt most of the players looked at OEL and thought "if only management bought him out."

And this wasn't some brilliant stroke by management either. They were reportedly looking to move Garland or Boeser to free up cap space. Could OEL and Myers formed a good 2nd pairing last season? I think so.

I've always maintained that buying out OEL this summer as opposed to last is better. By buying out last summer the team got $7M+ in cap space last year. This year the gain was a little less than $5M. In year 3 and year 4 the cap savings is slightly less than $2.5M. While OEL is aging, it's questionable as to whether we'll be able to upgrade over OEL in years 3 and 4 with that ~$2.5M. Right now in year 2 OEL would be the team's 2nd best LD.

We all know the logistics of the buyout. It was about changing the culture here. The culture stunk for the better part of a decade. He was Loui Ericsson part 2. And sorry he is definitely not a better player than Carson Soucy right now and he's also 250 K more expensive and wasn't coming back for Round 3 with Tocchet. Is any of this sinking in?

 

[Hit the post]

Moe Lemay, who played for the Canucks in the 1980s, died.

I still remember thinking we unearthed a hidden gem by getting him fairly late in the draft. I can't remember though who his center was when he put up monster points in junior after we drafted him (eg., was another future Canuck pick Vaive on his line?)

 

[MS]

Moe Lemay, who played for the Canucks in the 1980s, died.

One of the most definitively ‘dark ages’ Canucks joining just after the ‘82 run and being traded in the last trade before Pat Quinn arrived. And then won a Cup in Edmonton.

I’m resisting the urge to post a picture of Joel Otto.

 

[VanJack]

it looks like Podkolzin's stay in Edmonton has basically mirrored what happened in Vancouver.

Coaches like his hustle and willingness to take the body in the offensive zone. But on the points side, he's a big bagel after six games. Even as a third-fourth liner, you have to score at least once a month to stay in the lineup.

Not sure what happened to him. He looked like in his rookie season in Vancouver that he'd be at least a 10-15 goal scorer. But his offense has completely died on the vine. I wonder how long it'll take for him to end up back on waivers?

 

[F A N]

We all know the logistics of the buyout. It was about changing the culture here. The culture stunk for the better part of a decade. He was Loui Ericsson part 2. And sorry he is definitely not a better player than Carson Soucy right now and he's also 250 K more expensive and wasn't coming back for Round 3 with Tocchet. Is any of this sinking in?

I don't think trading OEL changes the culture as much as say trading Horvat. OEL was only here for two years and clearly he doesn't prevent a team from winning a Cup. I think OEL is overall a better player than Soucy but we can disagree.

I'm not sure what you mean by OEL not coming back for Round 3 with Tocchet. If we didn't buy him out he would be under contract. Are you saying he would hold out waiting for a trade? Of course if there is some genuine animosity between the two where it impacts the locker room then ya otherwise I maintain that it was a short-term move.

 

[Nuckles]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848908231176851743

A lot more Bruins fans tonight are becoming disgruntled with that signing

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

rip

one of these two (i think probably the one on the right but i forget) was my first ever hockey card. in second or third grade all of a sudden a bunch of the other boys had hockey cards and i had never even heard of them before. but a nice kid named andrew offered me one. i asked for a canuck and this old moe lemay is what he gave me.

 

[MS]

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one of these two (i think probably the one on the right but i forget) was my first ever hockey card. in second or third grade all of a sudden a bunch of the other boys had hockey cards and i had never even heard of them before. but a nice kid named andrew offered me one. i asked for a canuck and this old moe lemay is what he gave me.

I can’t believe someone made a Moe Lemay hockey card post and it wasn’t about the Otto/Lemay mix-up which was probably the most famous hockey card ‘thing’ when I was a kid.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I can’t believe someone made a Moe Lemay hockey card post and it wasn’t about the Otto/Lemay mix-up which was probably the most famous hockey card ‘thing’ when I was a kid.

before my time, but i did have a misprinted pro set joe nieuwendyk that they fixed very quickly so it was supposed to be fairly rare

beckett had it listed at $5

and check it out, it’s held its value

 

[Russian_fanatic]

it looks like Podkolzin's stay in Edmonton has basically mirrored what happened in Vancouver.

Coaches like his hustle and willingness to take the body in the offensive zone. But on the points side, he's a big bagel after six games. Even as a third-fourth liner, you have to score at least once a month to stay in the lineup.

Not sure what happened to him. He looked like in his rookie season in Vancouver that he'd be at least a 10-15 goal scorer. But his offense has completely died on the vine. I wonder how long it'll take for him to end up back on waivers?

Kid has never produced at ANY level of professional hockey consistently and I'm talking VHL, MHL, KHL, AHL, WJC, and NHL.

I Honestly threw out Dustin Brown/Brendan Morrow comparisons during his rookie season, but you then start to realize how much of a mirage his rookie year was. Stone hands, muffin shot, and a horrible passer. His saving grace is he's strong, and he can throw hits. It's mind boggling what the team saw in him

 

[RobertKron]

Has Podkolzin ever been on waivers before to go "back?" I thought he hadn't been eligible until this year.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

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one of these two (i think probably the one on the right but i forget) was my first ever hockey card. in second or third grade all of a sudden a bunch of the other boys had hockey cards and i had never even heard of them before. but a nice kid named andrew offered me one. i asked for a canuck and this old moe lemay is what he gave me.

Cheers Andrew.

 

[VanJack]

Has Podkolzin ever been on waivers before to go "back?" I thought he hadn't been eligible until this year.

His first year of waiver eligibility was this season.......and one of the biggest reasons the Canucks dealt him. They just weren't confident that he would ever clear to be sent to Abbotsford.

 

[archangel2]

Moe Lemay, who played for the Canucks in the 1980s, died.

Damn

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

it looks like Podkolzin's stay in Edmonton has basically mirrored what happened in Vancouver.

Coaches like his hustle and willingness to take the body in the offensive zone. But on the points side, he's a big bagel after six games. Even as a third-fourth liner, you have to score at least once a month to stay in the lineup.

Not sure what happened to him. He looked like in his rookie season in Vancouver that he'd be at least a 10-15 goal scorer. But his offense has completely died on the vine. I wonder how long it'll take for him to end up back on waivers?

Unfortunately, Podkolzin is that type of player who needs to put everything in one thing to be moderately decent. When he was actually a semi-scoring threat, he basically didn't play a lick of defense and got beat on the regular. Now that he's tried adjusting his game, he doesn't have the flexibility to get himself in position to be that aforementioned threat.

Basically, he can't handle how fast and adaptable the NHL level is. If you're going to be one dimensional, you better be very good at that one thing.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1848908231176851743

A lot more Bruins fans tonight are becoming disgruntled with that signing

Doesn't surprise me he's a rockhead. I still love what Z brought us but the playoffs definitely overrated him a bit.

 

[thecupismine]

Still blows my mind that in 2014 we drafted a high end top six winger, a number one defensemen, and a number one goalie, but traded away two of them like they had negative value (we lost picks AND got negative players back). They also started rounding right into form as our two best players were on ELCs (Petey and Hughes) - the window for contention really should've opened up 5 years ago with any sort of competent management.

Somehow, we kept the one guy from the draft with actual negative value on the roster way past his expiry date (dude can barely hang around in the DEL these days)

 

[calnuck]

Man I’m so glad we were able to rid ourselves of Mikheyev. Guy is still a dud on a rebuilding blackhawks team when guys like Dickinson manage to produce at a higher rate.

 

[archangel2]

Still blows my mind that in 2014 we drafted a high end top six winger, a number one defensemen, and a number one goalie, but traded away two of them like they had negative value (we lost picks AND got negative players back). They also started rounding right into form as our two best players were on ELCs (Petey and Hughes) - the window for contention really should've opened up 5 years ago with any sort of competent management.

Somehow, we kept the one guy from the draft with actual negative value on the roster way past his expiry date (dude can barely hang around in the DEL these days)

You are rewriting history and ignoring actual facts. It wasn't till 3 season ago that McCann actual put his shit together and the number 1 D is Gustov? He is not a number 1 D.. he is good but you ignore it took 7 years from his draft year to actual show he was any good. Hawks and Carolina let him go as well. How many teams dud McCann play on before he put solid numbers together?

 

[Regal]

You are rewriting history and ignoring actual facts. It wasn't till 3 season ago that McCann actual put his shit together and the number 1 D is Gustov? He is not a number 1 D.. he is good but you ignore it took 7 years from his draft year to actual show he was any good. Hawks and Carolina let him go as well. How many teams dud McCann play on before he put solid numbers together?

Agreed with the idea that these guys likely needed to move around first and took their time, but Forsling is most definitely a number 1 (just played 23-25 min a game as the best dman on a back to back Finals team and last years cup winner).

 

[timw33]

Man I’m so glad we were able to rid ourselves of Mikheyev. Guy is still a dud on a rebuilding blackhawks team when guys like Dickinson manage to produce at a higher rate.

It really is nuts that we were able to move him in a two-round downgrade (2nd to a 4th) draft swap.

 

[archangel2]

Agreed with the idea that these guys likely needed to move around first and took their time, but Forsling is most definitely a number 1 (just played 23-25 min a game as the best dman on a back to back Finals team and last years cup winner).

Eklbad is the number 1 in Florida and it aint close

 

[MS]

Eklbad is the number 1 in Florida and it aint close

This is the 3rd straight year (plus both long playoff runs) where Forsling has played more/heavier minutes than Ekblad.

Ekblad was their 1D pre-2022 but his play has fallen off badly after multiple injuries and Forsling was pretty clearly the 1D on last year's Cup winner.

 

[Regal]

Eklbad is the number 1 in Florida and it aint close

Ekblad is pretty mediocre now with all the injuries. Florida fans aren’t even sure if they want him back at a discount. Forsling is much better and the clear best defenseman on the team

Would you take Ekblad back at a "hometown" discount (4-5 million AAV)

They say when you see a game live you're struck by how fast the players are. Whoever said that never watched Ekblad. Lost in all the foot speed jokes, the offense has dried up as well. He had a golden scoring chance yesterday and shot it right at Levi. His legs are cooked and he's 28. I don't...

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