OT: Football Thread

[Bob Richards]

Obviously a bad game but I never expected them to even get this far.

Great season. A fun season. Excited for what is to come.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Puts this season into perspective.

They don’t suck (and based on the last decade+ of my life that is admittedly no small feat so kudos) but they are a long, long way from being truly good.

0-2 against Dallas and 0-3 against Philly including this debacle.

Perception that they were a good team was a mirage based on a weak schedule.

Doubling down on Jones and Saquon would be a complete folly.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Puts this season into perspective.

They don’t suck (and based on the last decade+ of my life that is admittedly no small feat so kudos) but they are a long, long way from being truly good.

0-2 against Dallas and 0-3 against Philly including this debacle.

Perception that they were a good team was a mirage based on a weak schedule.

Doubling down on Jones and Saquon would be a complete folly.

Giants aren’t trading or cutting ties with DJ, that’s totally unrealistic imo

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Giants aren’t trading or cutting ties with DJ, that’s totally unrealistic

He’s a free agent. Good luck to them, he’s a complimentary 10-15 range QB at best. Hard to build an elite team around that unless you nail literally everything perfectly.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

He’s a free agent[/b]. Good luck to them, he’s a complimentary 10-15 range QB at best. Hard to build an elite team around that unless you nail literally everything perfectly.

NFL free agency isn’t NHL free agency. Even if they can’t agree on long term deal, they can use Franchise or transition tag to retain him or trade him.

There’d be a ton of interest in him around the league if he was available.

I don’t see them moving on. Think he’s shown enough where you gotta try and build around him,

Also I think lot of ppl forget he threw 24 TD as a rookie

 

[sbjnyc]

NFL free agency isn’t NHL free agency. Even if they can’t agree on long term deal, they can use Franchise or transition tag to retain him or trade him.

There’d be a ton of interest in him around the league if he was available.

I don’t see them moving on. Think he’s shown enough where you gotta try and build around him,

Also I think lot of ppl forget he threw 24 TD as a rookie

NFL contracts are becoming like MLB contracts. DJ and Geno Smith are likely to get paid over $30 million next season.

 

[klingsor]

Reminds me of the Giants getting eviscerated by the Ravens in the Super Bowl.

No complaints but they need major personnel improvement for next season.

 

[bernmeister]

Jets gotta see if good enuf offer for Wilson
presum
either as
material for the Colts
reclamation + we add +++ for SF's Lance [since dey kickin it w/irrelevant Purdy + Jimmy G]

we must MUST grab top rated OTs NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

 

[Filip Chytil]

PHI absolutely dominated the trenches last night. Game starts up front. PHI has elite OL and DL play. Winning a game when you lose the battle up front is very difficult.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Jets gotta see if good enuf offer for Wilson
presum
either as
material for the Colts
reclamation + we add +++ for SF's Lance [since dey kickin it w/irrelevant Purdy + Jimmy G]

we must MUST grab top rated OTs NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

Skoronski, Parris Johnson, Broderick Jones in the draft.

Cimini had an article a couple of weeks ago saying the NYJ are expected to move Becton back to LT. I'm not entirely sure JD is ready to quit on Becton to the point where he'll spend a top pick on an OT again. Perhaps he'll position the roster better to handle a possible Becton injury. Maybe resign Fant and hope he gets his knee fixed and plays better.

Tomlinson is going to be on the team next year barring something totally unexpected. There's no option here to kick your 2023 1st rounder inside for a year. Could you flip him to RT? Difficult switch to make if you're normally a LT.

JD knows his seat will get warm if they miss the playoffs again. Repeating a draft pick may not be so appealing from his point of view.

Am I a believer in Becton's durability? No. I'm totally in favor of building up the OL. I just don't know if it'll happen. I also doubt Skoronski will be there at 13. Draft is a long ways off, so who knows what will happen.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

As bad as our QB play was this year, the root issue is still the offensive line. I know they had injuries but that losing streak to end the season was squarely on the line being abysmal in all facets.

JD needs to go all in on building a wall for whomever ends up under center

 

[Filip Chytil]

PHI absolutely dominated the trenches last night. Game starts up front. PHI has elite OL and DL play. Winning a game when you lose the battle up front is very difficult.

Forgot to add:

If there's one thing PHI fans should be thankful to Chip Kelly for, it's that he brought Jeff Stoutland in as OL coach way back in 2013. There's a reason why Pederson and Sirianni both have retained him. Absolutely elite OL coach.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Saquon Barkley wants to be ‘a Giant for life,’ headed into free agency after playoff loss to Eagles

"I can't envision that being my last time in a Giants uniform."

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Filthy Dangles]

PHI absolutely dominated the trenches last night. Game starts up front. PHI has elite OL and DL play. Winning a game when you lose the battle up front is very difficult.

Yeah, switch Daniel Jones and Jalen Hurts nothing changes in that game.

 

[bernmeister]

Skoronski, Parris Johnson, Broderick Jones in the draft.

Cimini had an article a couple of weeks ago saying the NYJ are expected to move Becton back to LT. I'm not entirely sure JD is ready to quit on Becton to the point where he'll spend a top pick on an OT again. Perhaps he'll position the roster better to handle a possible Becton injury. Maybe resign Fant and hope he gets his knee fixed and plays better.

Tomlinson is going to be on the team next year barring something totally unexpected. There's no option here to kick your 2023 1st rounder inside for a year. Could you flip him to RT? Difficult switch to make if you're normally a LT.

JD knows his seat will get warm if they miss the playoffs again. Repeating a draft pick may not be so appealing from his point of view.

Am I a believer in Becton's durability? No. I'm totally in favor of building up the OL. I just don't know if it'll happen. I also doubt Skoronski will be there at 13. Draft is a long ways off, so who knows what will happen.

1. general concur, kudos for informative post.
2. "Skoronski, Parris Johnson, Broderick Jones" - agree, hope it is the first 2 we can snag
3. We will have to see what the deal ACTUALLY is for Becton, but optimistically if he drops weight while adding muscle mass, he may do a good job at G and then some. Obv another T would be pref, but let's manage expectations.
4. Not impressed w/Fant, buh bye
5. Some of our younger interior guys at C-G may be useful if a chunk of the prob is them being raw and lack of Ts at the ends. Beef up on steak on Woody J's dime.

6. We need to be aggressive in getting young Ts. Obv, some guys are off the table, others may have to be sacrificed. As to vets Tomlinson guessing he is part of G solution, pinching at T in situational stopgap. Not sure we can get Brown again, and even if we did, would he break down, and if that happened, would that limit budget to get a healthy body.

Draft will be interesting....

 

[Kocur26]

 

[RangerBlues]

Skoronski, Parris Johnson, Broderick Jones in the draft.

Cimini had an article a couple of weeks ago saying the NYJ are expected to move Becton back to LT. I'm not entirely sure JD is ready to quit on Becton to the point where he'll spend a top pick on an OT again. Perhaps he'll position the roster better to handle a possible Becton injury. Maybe resign Fant and hope he gets his knee fixed and plays better.

Tomlinson is going to be on the team next year barring something totally unexpected. There's no option here to kick your 2023 1st rounder inside for a year. Could you flip him to RT? Difficult switch to make if you're normally a LT.

JD knows his seat will get warm if they miss the playoffs again. Repeating a draft pick may not be so appealing from his point of view.

Am I a believer in Becton's durability? No. I'm totally in favor of building up the OL. I just don't know if it'll happen. I also doubt Skoronski will be there at 13. Draft is a long ways off, so who knows what will happen.

Jets need O line and I would not depend on Becton at all.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If Becton makes it thru camp without his body falling apart it would be a miracle

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Buffalo home cooking smh

 

[Ben Grimm]

I picked the Bengals in this thread. Playing football or hockey outside w/o helmets and pads and hitting people is glorious!

 

[NickyFotiu]

I don't get how the Eagles even lost any games.

This team is too good for the NFL.

Kelce was driving Dex 5 yards downfield. That was amazing. Dex was a pro bowler.

He’s a free agent. Good luck to them, he’s a complimentary 10-15 range QB at best. Hard to build an elite team around that unless you nail literally everything perfectly.

Lets say he is a top 10 QB once he get a real WR1 and oline. That is not good enough for you? Are you one of those fans that thinks you can only win with Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, etc? What about the other 27 teams? Should they just not play? Last season Hurts looked horrible vs us and bad vs Tampa in the playoffs. Now he is a top 5 guy.

 

[Machinehead]

He’s a free agent. Good luck to them, he’s a complimentary 10-15 range QB at best. Hard to build an elite team around that unless you nail literally everything perfectly.

The Eagles just beat the shit out of us with a Joe Schmoe QB who has an easy job.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The Eagles just beat the shit out of us with a Joe Schmoe QB who has an easy job.

All you need is the best o-line / supporting cast in the NFL by far , ez

 

[Machinehead]

All you need is the best o-line / supporting cast in the NFL by far , ez

The Eagles are a cheat code. You don't need to be as good as them to be a contender.

And, I mean, yeah, Superbowl winners tend to have elite O-lines. More at 11.

 

[Machinehead]

The Eagles were 9-8 last year.

The defending champions went 5-12.

Overturn in the NFL is neck-breaking fast. The Giants are one good offseason away.

Of course, it has to be good and there's a lot on the line. Not telling you anything you don't know there.