OT: Football Thread

[Filip Chytil]

On Toney:



In the thread, Vacchiano says NYG weren't shopping him, but they were listening when teams called.

 

[Filip Chytil]

The order in which the tackles get drafted will be interesting to follow. No character concerns with any of the big 3 as everything I've read and heard noted great player makeup.

A quick note on Evan Neal: Peter King in his column on Monday said, "There’s been some chatter about teams downgrading him because of medical issues, but I’m told at least three-quarters of the teams in the league are good with his health."

I was hoping to find a follow up on that, and Albert Breer over at SI wrote a piece today. He said, "A handful of teams have raised knee and hip issues to me concerning Alabama OT Evan Neal, with a good number of clubs considering him a notable medical risk."

 

[Filip Chytil]

Aaron Wilson over at PFN had some things to say about NYG today:

Once projected as the top overall pick, Thibodeaux’s ceiling and floor have run the gamut across draft boards around the league. One team source predicted that Thibodeaux could slide a bit and still land somewhere in the first 10 selections.

NFL teams are continuing to conduct their due diligence and get to know more about the ultra-athletic Los Angeles native and consensus All-American. That includes the New York Giants, who are also extremely interested in at least two other players at their draft spot, according to sources: Florida State pass rusher Jermaine Johnson II, a Georgia transfer who had 11.5 sacks and 17.5 tackles for loss; and Mississippi State offensive tackle Charles Cross, one of the most polished and athletic blockers in this year’s class.

The Giants conducted a Zoom meeting with Thibodeaux last week, according to a league source. He previously visited them at their training facility, as he did with the Detroit Lions, New York Jets, Houston Texans, and Philadelphia Eagles. The Atlanta Falcons traveled to the West Coast to meet with Thibodeaux after initially attempting to schedule him for a visit.

Duggan over at The Athletic previously noted the NYG FO having some concerns about KT.

But it seems like they're showing interest in him, or at the minimum, doing quite a bit of HW on him. Peter King said NYG are indeed interested in KT. Tough to sort through the conflicting info.

NYJ are supposedly very interested in Jermaine Johnson as well.

 

[ecemleafs]

The thing with WRs is they can draft one in the later rounds.

The OLine needs to be fixed for the longterm or Jones is not going to have any time to find all these guys.

the thing with WR is it doesnt matter who they have or draft, because that player will ultimately miss half the season injured.

 

[Filip Chytil]

2022 NFL Mock Draft 6.0: A surprise pass-rusher lands in Top 5 with Jets

There is more uncertainty at the top of the draft than there has been in many years, making any forecast a bit of an adventure. But we’re running out of time, so here’s another guess at how the top of the draft is going to go.

www.sny.tv

Vacchiano did a mock draft tonight for all teams. He had some interesting notes on both NYJ and NYG.

He mentioned how the NYJ coaches like KT, but the front office isn't as sold on him. That is something Pauline over at PFN also has stated in his articles. Vacchiano also speculates that Ekonwu is the NYJ highest rated T, and possibly highest rated player.

For the NYG, Vacchiano acknowledges the buzz between the organization and Cross. However, he says his sources tell him that NYG have Neal and Ekonwu ranked ahead of Cross on their board.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Typo, but Miller over at ESPN says his sources tell him NYJ may be moving on from Becton.

 

[Filip Chytil]

2022 NFL Mock Draft 6.0: A surprise pass-rusher lands in Top 5 with Jets

There is more uncertainty at the top of the draft than there has been in many years, making any forecast a bit of an adventure. But we’re running out of time, so here’s another guess at how the top of the draft is going to go.

www.sny.tv

Vacchiano did a mock draft tonight for all teams. He had some interesting notes on both NYJ and NYG.

He mentioned how the NYJ coaches like KT, but the front office isn't as sold on him. That is something Pauline over at PFN also has stated in his articles. Vacchiano also speculates that Ekonwu is the NYJ highest rated T, and possibly highest rated player.

For the NYG, Vacchiano acknowledges the buzz between the organization and Cross. However, he says his sources tell him that NYG have Neal and Ekonwu ranked ahead of Cross on their board.

Quoting myself here, but wanted to add:

He says Wink likes Gardner and Jermaine Johnson. Additionally, he says NYG are "very mixed" on KT. So there's a lot of varying opinions out there on how NYG view KT.

He says both NYG and NYJ at 7 and 10 would like to move down.

 

[bernmeister]

Typo, but Miller over at ESPN says his sources tell him NYJ may be moving on from Becton.

Unless he is super damaged beyond all hope and we don't know it, would be a mistake to just give up on him. That said, we should acquire high end T regardless of what we do/not do w/Becton; also, MAYBE possible to use at G if T is not a fit.

 

[Anthony5967]

Giants should take Becton lmao

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Giants need everything. Lots of very talented players in the top-10. Just don't go completely off the board and I'll be happy.

 

[Filip Chytil]

The order in which the tackles get drafted will be interesting to follow. No character concerns with any of the big 3 as everything I've read and heard noted great player makeup.

A quick note on Evan Neal: Peter King in his column on Monday said, "There’s been some chatter about teams downgrading him because of medical issues, but I’m told at least three-quarters of the teams in the league are good with his health."

I was hoping to find a follow up on that, and Albert Breer over at SI wrote a piece today. He said, "A handful of teams have raised knee and hip issues to me concerning Alabama OT Evan Neal, with a good number of clubs considering him a notable medical risk."

Just to update this:

 

[Filip Chytil]

Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano wrote a piece at ESPN this morning. Regarding NYG and the OTs in the draft, Graziano said he believes Neal is NYG's favorite out of Ekonwu, Neal, and Cross.

They also said Stingley is a guy linked to NYG at pick 7 if they don't deal back. That's if Houston doesn't take him at 3, which there has been some buzz about. Is it true? I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball.

Regarding NYJ, Cimini and Hughes both seem to indicate NYJ are not taking KT at 4. Schrager over at NFL Network said the same on Twitter today as well. Tony Pauline of PFN and Vacchiano at SNY previously have said the NYJ coaching staff liked KT, but the front office had some concerns about him. It appears, if this holds, that those two were on the money.

Fowler and Graziano also said NYJ are high on Jermaine Johnson.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Unless he is super damaged beyond all hope and we don't know it, would be a mistake to just give up on him. That said, we should acquire high end T regardless of what we do/not do w/Becton; also, MAYBE possible to use at G if T is not a fit.

We'll see what happens. JD might just be that high on Ekonwu. Another thing to keep in mind is this draft is quite deep. The value between the player selected at 20th vs 50th is going to be pretty close. While the top is lacking that high end QB or Myles Garrett/Nick Bosa type of edge rusher, the middle rounds are shaping up to be golden. BAL for example is set up quite nicely here with 8 picks between 45th overall and 141st overall. Meanwhile, CAR is set up quite poorly as they pick 6th overall, but they don't pick again until 137th overall (one of the reasons CAR might be a trade down candidate if they can find a trading partner).

Becton had his drug test flagged at the NFL combine during his draft year. For what specifically, I don't know. Maybe NYJ had him on a short leash coming in? He's also been pretty unreliable in terms of availability given he's only played in 15 games his first two years in addition to the conditioning problems. Again, I'm speculating to try to explain their possible thought process. Not saying this is my opinion/what I would do. Personally, I would keep Becton, but I'm also not in the building each day to evaluate him.

Granted, most of those missed games came from this past year. And it does feel like NYJ would be selling at a low. JD selected Becton, so I doubt he'd just give him away. Unless he's super damaged as you noted.

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[RangerBlues]

Some of these mock drafts are just crap thrown against the wall

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Some of these mock drafts are just crap thrown against the wall

The draft is deep as f***. You have about 4-6 elite prospects and then just incredible depth. I see first round grade guys as far back as like 50 or 55. The 4th round has some guys that would be 2nd rounders.

Main reason I want more picks in this draft.

 

[sbjnyc]

The draft is deep as f***. You have about 4-6 elite prospects and then just incredible depth. I see first round grade guys as far back as like 50 or 55. The 4th round has some guys that would be 2nd rounders.

Main reason I want more picks in this draft.

Few teams if any are looking to move up into the top 10.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I love that I have literally no clue who the Giants are going to pick this year. Not a clue. They are throwing up smokescreen after smokescreen. We know what positions they may like, but even those may be smokescreens (other than OL, I guess).

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Few teams if any are looking to move up into the top 10.

Sounding all of a sudden like a few of them are, now. May be some anxiety from some.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The draft is deep as f***. You have about 4-6 elite prospects and then just incredible depth. I see first round grade guys as far back as like 50 or 55. The 4th round has some guys that would be 2nd rounders.

Main reason I want more picks in this draft.

100%. 7th overall is and should be in play. The Giants need just about everything except maybe WR. Trade back and acquire another 2nd and 3rd or two 3rd's and a 4th.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Breer over at SI was saying PHI may be interested in moving up for a CB or edge.

Said teams may deal up for corners. There's Stingley and Gardner at the top, then a gap, then McDuffie, then a gap, then Elam, Gordon, Booth, etc. Booth has some medical concerns.

PHI would need to get to 6 for Stingley or Gardner. SEA at 9 has shown interest in Stingley. NYG have shown interest in both Stingley and Gardner. Houston has showed interest in both and both are believed to be in play at 3.

CAR is at 6 and desperately needs to pick up some picks in the middle rounds of this draft. They also apparently really like Penning. Could they move back from 6 to say 13-15, pick up some extra picks, and grab Penning?

Teams could also move up for a WR.

Houston GM, Caserio, had an interesting comment the other day. He said there's a 99% chance they use the 3rd pick and a 50-60% chance they use the 13th pick.

KC is another team that is reportedly someone who may want to deal up. They could look at edge, CB, or WR in a trade up per Breer.

Fowler and Graziano were saying that SEA at 9 is getting calls for their pick. Could be a trade down candidate.

They also said NO are a potential trade up candidate.

ARI apparently really likes Jameson Williams. They're not getting him at 23 so they'd have to deal up to have a shot at him.

Schrager over at NFL Network said ATL at 8 is either looking at WR or edge.

 

[17futurecap]

Interested what the Jets do if it does really go Walker-KT-Stingley

I would run up there to take Hutch, but the GM really does seem like to love Ekwonu, which seems like it would be a fine pick as well.

Just not sure I see the Lions passing on the hometown kid at 2, but odds have definitely shifted to it being really close and no one really having any idea lol.

 

[sbjnyc]

Sounding all of a sudden like a few of them are, now. May be some anxiety from some.

Maybe, from everything I've read I'd be shocked if anyone trades up into the top 10. I mean what's the value of moving up in a deep draft?

 

[OriginalLimbo]

Fun with NYG and pff.com

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Interested what the Jets do if it does really go Walker-KT-Stingley

I would run up there to take Hutch, but the GM really does seem like to love Ekwonu, which seems like it would be a fine pick as well.

Just not sure I see the Lions passing on the hometown kid at 2, but odds have definitely shifted to it being really close and no one really having any idea lol.

If Hutch is there at 4, he should be the pick.