OT: Football Thread

[NYRFANMANI]

I'm getting major hyped for the draft. I caught up on the prospects and hot damn, there is some men up in this draft. Characters too.

Broncos go for the old Manning move and opt out of the early draft.

Love the opportunity for the Jets and Giants with the 2 top 10 picks.
Love the multiple pick teams getting major additions.

What's up with the internationals!? Greek, Australian, Austrian. f***ing awesome.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Maybe, from everything I've read I'd be shocked if anyone trades up into the top 10. I mean what's the value of moving up in a deep draft?

Probably 2023 picks.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Houston= trade up candidate.

Total speculation on my part here:

Houston has one 2nd, two 3rds, and two 4ths. They reportedly want CBs and they're considering Stingley at 3.

CAR picks 6th overall and then doesn't pick until the 4th round at 137th overall.

Houston jumping to 6th overall ahead of NYG at 7th makes some sense. Is it for a CB? Maybe. Is it to take a tackle? Maybe. Could they go Stingley at 3 and then grab one of the remaining big 3 OT's at 6? Possible. Could they grab Ekonwu at 3 and then Stingley at 6? Maybe.

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'd take Houston's #13 and their 2nd and a 3rd for them to move up to 7.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I'd take Houston's #13 and their 2nd and a 3rd for them to move up to 7.

I'm getting major hyped for the draft. I caught up on the prospects and hot damn, there is some men up in this draft. Characters too.

Broncos go for the old Manning move and opt out of the early draft.

Love the opportunity for the Jets and Giants with the 2 top 10 picks.
Love the multiple pick teams getting major additions.

What's up with the internationals!? Greek, Australian, Austrian. f***ing awesome.

who?

 

[JimmyG89]

If the Jets take Gardner at 4, I'm staying at 10 and taking whatever edge rusher is left to take at 10 and go WR with one of the 2 2nds.

If the Jets go edge rusher at 4, I'm seeing who wants to move up to 10 and conversely trying to move into the back end of the 1st and snag Linderbaum to be set at center for the next decade. Use what you got in the 2nd round for a WR. There are plenty in the draft that are good.

Think the Becton talk is a smokescreen. He was Douglas's 1st pick. He was dominant in his first season. Got hurt last year and never came back. He's in the gym, he looks good in terms of weight. I'd much rather let that play out, roll with Fant at LT (who was very good taking over for Becton), and build the rest of the team out. Maybe get a tackle in the middle of the draft.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Breer says PHI and KC are trade up candidates. KC has a lot of picks.

HOU reportedly may want to trade up from 13. NO is another team that has been rumored to be a possible trade up candidate.

Quote from that article by an unnamed AFC executive on this draft: "There just aren't a lot of needle movers. There might not be any. But there are a lot of solid guys."

 

[bernmeister]

We'll see what happens. JD might just be that high on Ekonwu. Another thing to keep in mind is this draft is quite deep. The value between the player selected at 20th vs 50th is going to be pretty close. While the top is lacking that high end QB or Myles Garrett/Nick Bosa type of edge rusher, the middle rounds are shaping up to be golden. BAL for example is set up quite nicely here with 8 picks between 45th overall and 141st overall. Meanwhile, CAR is set up quite poorly as they pick 6th overall, but they don't pick again until 137th overall (one of the reasons CAR might be a trade down candidate if they can find a trading partner).

Becton had his drug test flagged at the NFL combine during his draft year. For what specifically, I don't know. Maybe NYJ had him on a short leash coming in? He's also been pretty unreliable in terms of availability given he's only played in 15 games his first two years in addition to the conditioning problems. Again, I'm speculating to try to explain their possible thought process. Not saying this is my opinion/what I would do. Personally, I would keep Becton, but I'm also not in the building each day to evaluate him.

Granted, most of those missed games came from this past year. And it does feel like NYJ would be selling at a low. JD selected Becton, so I doubt he'd just give him away. Unless he's super damaged as you noted.

Thanks for this ^ and appreciate also all the otherwise good posts.
I am without 'like' button capacity atm, pls consider this in lieu of.

 

[Filip Chytil]

If the Jets take Gardner at 4, I'm staying at 10 and taking whatever edge rusher is left to take at 10 and go WR with one of the 2 2nds.

If the Jets go edge rusher at 4, I'm seeing who wants to move up to 10 and conversely trying to move into the back end of the 1st and snag Linderbaum to be set at center for the next decade. Use what you got in the 2nd round for a WR. There are plenty in the draft that are good.

Think the Becton talk is a smokescreen. He was Douglas's 1st pick. He was dominant in his first season. Got hurt last year and never came back. He's in the gym, he looks good in terms of weight. I'd much rather let that play out, roll with Fant at LT (who was very good taking over for Becton), and build the rest of the team out. Maybe get a tackle in the middle of the draft.

Does an edge make it to 10 though? ATL is rumored to be taking either a WR or edge at 8. The other day on ESPN, McShay had an article out. He said ATL likes London, but execs around the league feel they'd take KT if he's there. ATL only had 18 total sacks last year.

SEA has been linked to some edge rushers including Johnson (among other positions too, I've seen them linked to Stingley, J. Davis, Penning). NYG could look at an edge rusher at 7 if they stay there.

Then, there's the possibility someone deals up for an edge rusher. Breer over at SI said today that teams would be dealing up either for CB, edge, or WR.

I'd love it if Johnson made it to 10, but I'm beginning to think he won't.

CB is an interesting position because you have those two guys at the top in Gardner and Stingley, then there's a gap, then there's McDuffie, then there's another gap, and then there's guys like Gordon, Elam, Booth, etc. Elam seems to have a decent shot at being the 4th CB taken. Rangy guy. He's 6'2 and ran a 4.39 and reportedly knocked it out of the park in meetings/interviews. Booth has some medical concerns.

I think teams may have their eyes set on one of those two big time CB's at the top if they deal up.

The contingency plan could be to deal back into the late 1st for Ebiketie if NYJ wants an edge rusher. He's been on the rise lately around the league.



I think I agree with you on Becton. I don't think JD lets him go easily. I do think JD is that high on Ekonwu, however. Vacchiano had an article out this morning. He essentially said, per the people he's talked to, that NYJ would take Ekonwu if he's there and he'd be RT and Becton/Fant would battle it out for LT. He also said NYJ wouldn't move on from Becton until next year.

 

[bernmeister]

If the Jets take Gardner at 4, I'm staying at 10 and taking whatever edge rusher is left to take at 10 and go WR with one of the 2 2nds.

If the Jets go edge rusher at 4, I'm seeing who wants to move up to 10 and conversely trying to move into the back end of the 1st and snag Linderbaum to be set at center for the next decade. Use what you got in the 2nd round for a WR. There are plenty in the draft that are good.

Think the Becton talk is a smokescreen. He was Douglas's 1st pick. He was dominant in his first season. Got hurt last year and never came back. He's in the gym, he looks good in terms of weight. I'd much rather let that play out, roll with Fant at LT (who was very good taking over for Becton), and build the rest of the team out. Maybe get a tackle in the middle of the draft.

No prob if they keep their first 1st, get best corner [if he is sufficiently tall]. But then want a stud OT. Fant not good enuf, maybe he grows into possible depth, but not current top starter now. A rookie may have growing pains but pt is you take a rookie w/star potential. Becton IMO, unless something we don't know about where he is crazy damaged, Becton we keep and worse case, we have all that beef dominant at G, he's mobile enuf. But we MUST make priority #1 to protect Wilson, over ANY other options.

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[bbny]

It will be hard for the Giants or Jets to mess this up.

I see very few scenarios for either team to get upset about.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

who?

Bernhard Raimann OT from Austria
Faalele OT from Australia
Ojabo is Scottish/Nigerian

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

JD's job is on the line with this draft class.

 

[nyr2k2]

It will be hard for the Giants or Jets to mess this up.

I see very few scenarios for either team to get upset about.

For the Jets, they'll get two good players no matter what. But, depending on the board, if they went like S then G? I'd probably be annoyed. We haven't had a legitimate edge rusher since what feels like John Abraham, and there should be some good ones there.

 

[JimmyG89]

Fant not good enuf, maybe he grows into possible depth, but not current top starter now.

Fant was graded as the 3rd best LT last season. He was exceptional. The issue was Wilson holding onto the ball too long.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

All i know is the jets better take Jameson Williams at 10. That kid is going to be special in this league.,

Take Ickey at 4. Trade becton to the chargers for their 2nd and 3rd rounder. Since the saints moved up ahead of the chargers they both want and need tackles. Becton i love the guy, but he just cant keep the weight off and in turn cant stay healthy. The best ability is availability. Then continue to draft what you want and need with all the 2nds and 3rds we have.

 

[Filip Chytil]

What will Houston do?

They've been linked to the duo at CB. Stingley and Gardner. Dane Brugler at The Athletic in his final mock draft said he had a league source tell him HOU may consider Garrett Wilson at 3. He mocks Wilson to HOU at 13. Taking Wilson at 3 would be a major shock.

Miller in a previous article for ESPN said there was considerable buzz regarding Stingley at 3.

I think, if this tweet is accurate, this points to Stingley at 3. The less surprising pick would be Ekonwu. So if this front office person is right and HOU pulls a surprise, it probably means they don't take Ekonwu. This front office guy could also be totally wrong, so TBD.

Lovie wants CB's. He's said it. The rumor, per McShay, is HOU has Stingley ranked ahead of Gardner.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Does an edge make it to 10 though? ATL is rumored to be taking either a WR or edge at 8. The other day on ESPN, McShay had an article out. He said ATL likes London, but execs around the league feel they'd take KT if he's there. ATL only had 18 total sacks last year.

SEA has been linked to some edge rushers including Johnson (among other positions too, I've seen them linked to Stingley, J. Davis, Penning). NYG could look at an edge rusher at 7 if they stay there.

Then, there's the possibility someone deals up for an edge rusher. Breer over at SI said today that teams would be dealing up either for CB, edge, or WR.

I'd love it if Johnson made it to 10, but I'm beginning to think he won't.

CB is an interesting position because you have those two guys at the top in Gardner and Stingley, then there's a gap, then there's McDuffie, then there's another gap, and then there's guys like Gordon, Elam, Booth, etc. Elam seems to have a decent shot at being the 4th CB taken. Rangy guy. He's 6'2 and ran a 4.39 and reportedly knocked it out of the park in meetings/interviews. Booth has some medical concerns.

I think teams may have their eyes set on one of those two big time CB's at the top if they deal up.

The contingency plan could be to deal back into the late 1st for Ebiketie if NYJ wants an edge rusher. He's been on the rise lately around the league.



I think I agree with you on Becton. I don't think JD lets him go easily. I do think JD is that high on Ekonwu, however. Vacchiano had an article out this morning. He essentially said, per the people he's talked to, that NYJ would take Ekonwu if he's there and he'd be RT and Becton/Fant would battle it out for LT. He also said NYJ wouldn't move on from Becton until next year.

Give me Ickey, trade Becton(cant stay healthy) , Draft Jameson williams at 10, kid is gonna be f***ing special. I like London but man do people forget how good jameson is. Second round get me ojabo from michigan and cine from georgia.

 

[Filip Chytil]

GB exploring a trade up

 

[bbny]

GB exploring a trade up

This is where the Giants #7 could come in. GB probably needs to slide in front of Atlanta to get the WR choice they want. It also puts them in front of the Jets at 10.

Could the Jets surprise and go WR (Wilson?) at 4? The top 2 WRs could be gone by 10 (GB trade up, Atlanta gets the other).

 

[Hunter Gathers]

GB exploring a trade up

I really think there's a chance that 7 goes to GB for 22 and 28 with a sweetener.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Watch for Christian Watson (WR - North Dakota State) to be a potential first round pick today. He's gotten a ton of buzz as his testing is the best since Calvin Johnson (and he has a similar build and play style).

He's my draft crush. Was hoping for him at 36, but I don't know if that can happen now.

 

[ecemleafs]

I really think there's a chance that 7 goes to GB for 22 and 28 with a sweetener.

eagles wanna move up. 7 for 15 and 18.