OT: Football Thread

[Hunter Gathers]

To who, Giants fans?

Press coverage of Flores and his lawsuit has been overwhelming positive towards him, and the NFL is getting absolutely pilloried. As they should--because even if Flores' lawsuit goes nowhere, the underlying issues that this shines a light on are very real and very problematic. Coupled with Hue Jackson speaking up and the developments with the Washington Team and the league's handling of the situation, and it just gets worse and worse.

The NFL has an enormous culture problem. Unfortunately most people don't care.

Look, he has a claim with the NFL and the Dolphins. His problem is he REALLY over-reached. His entire bit of evidence against the Giants is f***ing inadmissible hearsay from a non-employee. It's laughable.

I have no problem with him going after the NFL. Going after the Giants was clearly a kitchen sink thing by his attorneys and it is not going well right now. I don't even think his claim against the Giants survives a simple motion to dismiss. There's nothing to it.

Again, he is whining about the hiring of Tom f***ing Coughlin, for God's sake. That should show you just how poor his evidence is against the Giants. He has nothing.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

We'll see how it plays out. Not just his lawsuit, but what results from the lawsuit and all the other shit that will eventually bubble to the surface as a result. The NFL has been creeping towards this kind of thing for decades, and this isn't going to be the end of it, either. Even if his claims are without merit, the sham interviews, the double standards, the cultural toxicity, they ARE real. It's all there in plain sight. The NFL barely tries to hide it because they're basically beholden to no one.

I think some folks aren't seeing the forest for the trees, here. This lawsuit is much bigger than the simple claims contained within it.

And Flores is an awful messenger for it since he looks to be completely self-serving in his suit. He will have zero sympathy if this actually goes to trial.

 

[sbjnyc]

Look, he has a claim with the NFL and the Dolphins. His problem is he REALLY over-reached. His entire bit of evidence against the Giants is f***ing inadmissible hearsay from a non-employee. It's laughable.

I have no problem with him going after the NFL. Going after the Giants was clearly a kitchen sink thing by his attorneys and it is not going well right now. I don't even think his claim against the Giants survives a simple motion to dismiss. There's nothing to it.

Again, he is whining about the hiring of Tom f***ing Coughlin, for God's sake. That should show you just how poor his evidence is against the Giants. He has nothing.

Mike Lombardi on his podcast said he was speaking to daboll who said he didn't know he had the job when the media were already claiming he was hired. My guess is BB took it at face value and texted. Flores claiming BB influenced the Giants is a joke.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Mike Lombardi on his podcast said he was speaking to daboll who said he didn't know he had the job when the media were already claiming he was hired. My guess is BB took it at face value and texted. Flores claiming BB influenced the Giants is a joke.

Absolutely. It's so absurdly bad that I am FLOORED that a law firm like Wigdor put this garbage out there. The timing of it makes me think he had this planned since after he was fired and they added in the Giants as a bit more evidence for his suit.

Really don't think it is going to work out for them at least with regards to that part.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

It seems as the days go on, Flores just keeps digging a hole further for himself.

Now it's not only are their shadowy figures working in the dark...but Bill f***ing Belichick has influence all over the league, Giants included!

A decade of ineptitude, Mara is off the hook! You can thank Grandpa Hoodie for our misery.

 

[Synergy27]

I had two of them myself. Two of which I myself abruptly stopped the interview and asked to speak with a supervisor, or for them to provide me contact information to a higher-up.

One dingbat literally avoided looking at me, sat in her chair with her side facing me, but was also leaning back and making these smacking sounds with her mouth and taking annoyed deep breathes whilst asking me questions. I flat-out told her that was disrespectful, and that she was wasting my time.

The second one just pissed me off! She couldn't wrap it into her head that my previous employer let me go because of downsizing. I informed her that, compared to the other employees, I spent the least amount of time with the company, I didn't have seniority, and...the best part, I still put down that employer as a reference!!

She kept coming at me from at every direction, and I just lost it. Called her a f***ing idiot.

You sound like you might be kinda hard to work with.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

You sound like you might be kinda hard to work with.

If you can't give me a shred of respect, or you are trying to play junior sleuth even when I have nothing to hide, sorry, not sorry. I'll call you out on it.

And if that's how you are being treated trying to get one foot into the door, I don't want to know what it's like when your foot does cross that threshold.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Look I will fully accept that I may have blindspots here, but I would love to know - what are the Giants' options in this situation?

1. Not follow the Rooney rule?

2. Not make an offer to their preferred candidate and risk losing him elsewhere while they finish conducting R1 interviews?

3. Stop interviewing candidates before the ink is dried on a contract with Daboll while you know he is still interviewing, and risk having no backup alternative available?

I have been the "sham interview" before on multiple occasions in my career. One time a company's HR department was required to conduct an external search before approving an internal transfer as a pure formality. One time I found out that the company had extended an offer to a different candidate but were waiting to hear back, and I was a backup candidate. It really sucks and I feel for Flores but is pretty common practice in recruiting and interviewing for logistical and or internal policy reasons.

This is a great point from a legal point of view (not Rooney Rule) how is this situation different other than Flores being black and Daboll being white?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The pro bowl is unbelievably bad. NHL all star game seems like Stanley Cup game 7 intensity in comparison

 

[Do you want ants]

The pro bowl is unbelievably bad. NHL all star game seems like Stanley Cup game 7 intensity in comparison

Why would there be any intensity to this game? It doesn’t determine who has home field in a championship game. It doesn’t mean anything. These guys don’t have guaranteed contracts. It’s just something to fill time in a playoff-less week.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Why would there be any intensity to this game? It doesn’t determine who has home field in a championship game. It doesn’t mean anything. These guys don’t have guaranteed contracts. It’s just something to fill time in a playoff-less week.

I mean the pass rushers aren’t even trying, there’s not even tackling . I mean why even bother at this point. Football requires some kind of physical contact .

 

[Do you want ants]

I mean the pass rushers aren’t even trying, there’s not even tackling . I mean why even bother at this point. Football requires some kind of physical contact .

This game is meaningless. It triggers a bonus clause for some of these guys. No one is going to try and potentially get hurt in this game. Not sure what you expect.

 

[nyr2k2]

This game is meaningless. It triggers a bonus clause for some of these guys. No one is going to try and potentially get hurt in this game. Not sure what you expect.

I don't think anyone really expects much more, though I will say in years or decades past I think the intensity was definitely a few notches higher. I think that's true for all sports, really. Now it's just a "fun," goofy thing. In the past I think guys tried harder. MLB tried to incentivize winning the ASG to give it some actual meaning. I think that's stupid, personally, but you can understand why they did. I don't know who this all appeals to.

Beyond the money-making element of this (which is of course the primary factor for having all this), there's honestly no reason to play such a stupid game. Just name your All Stars and let that be that.

 

[Do you want ants]

I don't think anyone really expects much more, though I will say in years or decades past I think the intensity was definitely a few notches higher. I think that's true for all sports, really. Now it's just a "fun," goofy thing. In the past I think guys tried harder. MLB tried to incentivize winning the ASG to give it some actual meaning. I think that's stupid, personally, but you can understand why they did. I don't know who this all appeals to.

Beyond the money-making element of this (which is of course the primary factor for having all this), there's honestly no reason to play such a stupid game. Just name your All Stars and let that be that.

That’s fair. I’ve always seen it as a pretty meaningless game. Especially for guys that aren’t 1st timers. I think it’s really just to fill a void for a weekend and for people to gamble on personally. Seeing as most of these players have contract incentives, I’d be 100% ok with just naming all stars.

 

[RGY]

I think Flores had a legitimate case against the Dolphins. Probably the NFL as well. But the minute he got upset, overreacted to the Giants, and looped them into this with no real admissible evidence for his claims, it hurts his credibility all around. He may do well from the lawsuit against the Dolphins/NFL from a monetary standpoint, but it wont be as well as he could have done and on top of that he sunk his coaching career. I dont see anyone interviewing him let alone even hiring him.

 

[Synergy27]

Anyone ever had their Fanduel account hacked? Happened to me earlier this week (Tuesday evening) and I’m still waiting for it to be adjudicated.

I have a rather large (for me) pending bet on the SB as well. Hoping to have this all straightened out prior to then.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I think Flores had a legitimate case against the Dolphins. Probably the NFL as well. But the minute he got upset, overreacted to the Giants, and looped them into this with no real admissible evidence for his claims, it hurts his credibility all around. He may do well from the lawsuit against the Dolphins/NFL from a monetary standpoint, but it wont be as well as he could have done and on top of that he sunk his coaching career. I dont see anyone interviewing him let alone even hiring him.

Looks like his claims against Denver have been shot full of holes as well. He received some bad advice from whichever lawyer egged him on. He may get some kind of settlement so the NFL doesn't have to open their books, but he committed career suicide in the process.

 

[nyr2k2]

"The need for change is bigger than my personal goals. In making the decision to file this class action complaint today, I understand that I may be risking coaching the game that I love and that has done so much for my family and me. My sincere hope is that by standing up against systemic racism in the NFL, others will join me to ensure that positive change is made for generations to come."

Whether or not you believe the sincerity of the man, he basically acknowledged upfront that this could very likely spell the end of his coaching career. I don't know why people are acting as if he was unaware of this likelihood.

 

[RGY]

"The need for change is bigger than my personal goals. In making the decision to file this class action complaint today, I understand that I may be risking coaching the game that I love and that has done so much for my family and me. My sincere hope is that by standing up against systemic racism in the NFL, others will join me to ensure that positive change is made for generations to come."

Whether or not you believe the sincerity of the man, he basically acknowledged upfront that this could very likely spell the end of his coaching career. I don't know why people are acting as if he was unaware of this likelihood.

I dont believe the sincerity of it. I think is comments are all strategy driven by the advice of his legal team.

I also fail to see where the racism is with there being many holes in his allegations.

We shall see where things land with this one.

 

[nyr2k2]

I dont believe the sincerity of it. I think is comments are all strategy driven by the advice of his legal team.

I also fail to see where the racism is with there being many holes in his allegations.

We shall see where things land with this one.

Well, do you think he was sincere when he said he understood he was potentially risking his career? That's really all I was getting at in posting that, because people keep saying "Oh this guy got bad advice, he'll never coach again!" He seems quite aware of that he may be done coaching, quality of legal counsel notwithstanding.

 

[RGY]

Well, do you think he was sincere when he said he understood he was potentially risking his career? That's really all I was getting at in posting that, because people keep saying "Oh this guy got bad advice, he'll never coach again!" He seems quite aware of that he may be done coaching, quality of legal counsel notwithstanding.

I still don’t think it was him being sincere so much so as it was him just understanding the situation and what is to come. And that he is ok with it. I am not saying he doesn’t want change in general or that from where I stand that I am saying there shouldn’t be change. I think this is a case of piss poor judgement and management of emotions in reacting to not getting the Giants job. Because let’s be clear, if he gets the Giants job none of this happens.

 

[Ruggs225]

Well, do you think he was sincere when he said he understood he was potentially risking his career? That's really all I was getting at in posting that, because people keep saying "Oh this guy got bad advice, he'll never coach again!" He seems quite aware of that he may be done coaching, quality of legal counsel notwithstanding.

i dont think it is sincere. I think it is pure strategy. Now he can claim racism if he doesnt get a job or interview. Maybe set up another lawsuit. Maybe even a book deal. Its a totally calculated move to take advantage of the extreme victim culture we have now.

i dont believe a word of his is sincere.

 

[romba]

I heard a lawyer who deals with these ‘whistleblower’ situations and he said it’s often the follow up lawsuit for blacklisting that’s successful. He probably won’t win this but will be a champion for change kind of like Kapernick, and then after a few years of no interviews or job offers, he’ll be baiting owners and some moron owner will screw up and tell him to ef off he’ll never get another job in sports after suing the league and he’ll have all the ammo he needs to win the follow up law suit.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Anyone ever had their Fanduel account hacked? Happened to me earlier this week (Tuesday evening) and I’m still waiting for it to be adjudicated.

I have a rather large (for me) pending bet on the SB as well. Hoping to have this all straightened out prior to then.

My friend works at Fanduel, I can ask him what to do in the situation.

 

[Synergy27]

My friend works at Fanduel, I can ask him what to do in the situation.

Wow, thanks man! Is his name Anthony by any chance? They finally contacted me yesterday.