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Boris Zubov
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I've lived in metro LA for about 2 years & then Vegas for about 10 years & while Niners fans are certainly obnoxious, the Raider fans are in a class all their own.
17futurecap
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I feel like my Dad would also have two of the same first name in his contacts with no last name initial.
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10 years of garbage, a no-show playoff game and our 5th coach since 2015
Hunter Gathers
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That Flores shit is crazy if true. Makes the Miami firing more understandable.
Also Belichick is a realer but I don't think he would do that on purpose. He's just apparently a hilariously tech-inept boomer.
Flores appears to be a serious asshole. The damage this guy is doing to those fighting for equality with a lawsuit like this is pretty bad. I really think this is just so selfish and just so unfounded.
Hunter Gathers
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Why? They interviewed THREE black candidates for the job. Their ST coach is black. One of their top OC choices (Pep Hamilton) is black. They've had a black GM before.
The Giants being implicated in anything from Flores is pretty gross.
I totally disagree. I don't know all the details of the lawsuit, only what's been reported, but the process for interviewing for a job in the NFL is a sham. I think the Rooney Rule is a f***ing joke and the fact that the NFL touts it as some sort of landmark policy in sports equality is farcical. The league has major issues with its hiring practices and I can't see this doing anything but helping. It certainly can't make it any worse than it already is.
And then if the Dolphins stuff is true, that's something that's a major, major problem for the league.
Hunter Gathers
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Great! So sue the league. Don't sue a team that has had a history of black employees (currently have a black ST coach and, as said, the likely OC appears to be Pep Hamilton right now) who interviewed three separate black candidates for a position. Including the Giants in this suit is a f***ing disgrace.
It also would help Flores if he didn't come with the baggage of being labeled difficult to work with.
Adding the Giants to his suit makes me think this is all about the money and not at all about anything else.
He is suing the league. And three separate teams. Had Belichick not f***ed up he probably wouldn't be suing the Giants. But, here we are. If the Giants are this beacon of diversity hiring that you suggest, I'm sure they'll be fine.
The fact that you can look at the whole situation, not just the Flores situation specifically but the circumstances that created it, and think that the disgraceful thing here is that the Giants are getting sued...that's pretty f***ing weak, man.
"Difficult to work with" is also about the most loaded criticism one can level against BIPOC people. What coach isn't difficult to work with?
Come on.
17futurecap
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Probably should find the guys leaking shit to Bill B. Although you have to keep him in the loop, he did deliver the great Joe Judge.
Hunter Gathers
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He is suing the league. And three separate teams. Had Belichick not f***ed up he probably wouldn't be suing the Giants. But, here we are. If the Giants are this beacon of diversity hiring that you suggest, I'm sure they'll be fine.
The fact that you can look at the whole situation, not just the Flores situation specifically but the circumstances that created it, and think that the disgraceful thing here is that the Giants are getting sued...that's pretty f***ing weak, man.
"Difficult to work with" is also about the most loaded criticism one can level against BIPOC people. What coach isn't difficult to work with?
Please cite all of the evidence that the Giants did anything wrong, here. The only shred of evidence is a BB text message that may or may not have just been misinterpreted and based off of media reports. The reports were there for a long time that Daboll was the favorite. Then we had reports that Flores did well in his interview (one that he claims he was FORCED to attend, mind you - another laughable claim) and that the Giants really did seem to like him.
In fact, it seems like Mara actually preferred Flores but Schoen seemed to prefer Daboll (shocker - he's familiar with Daboll and helped build a team with him).
I mean, the entire suit is so flimsy that it's not even funny. The only team he seems to have a real case against is the Dolphins. That's about it. And even that is just filled with conjecture. Usually when a suit is filed, the allegations have some sort of set of facts. Not just conjecture.
Hunter Gathers
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The most logical thing is that BB was seeing media reports that the Giants were heavily after Brian Daboll. This was not exactly some type of heavily guarded secret. The Giants were apparently very interested in either Flores or Daboll and chose Daboll (where apparently Mara seemed to want Flores more).
Hunter Gathers
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Also, didn't Flores burn through something like three offensive coordinators in Miami? Why would we hire a defensive-minded HC when our team clearly needs a change of direction to focus on the offense. Not someone who hasn't been able to put together a competent offensive staff.
I wanted no part of Flores and I was concerned that he was going to be hired after the reports came out that Mara was a huge fan of his.
I wanted no part of Flores and I was concerned that he was going to be hired after the reports came out that Mara was a huge fan of his.
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I'm not going to argue this all night with you, Jon. As I said, if your team is as progressive in their hiring practices as you think they are, then this will all work out for them. And as you're the expert here, it seems quite clear this whole thing is without merit, and I'm sure it will be summarily dismissed, and the Giants and the NFL will be vindicated.
Watch, Flores will get the saints job and the suit will quietly disappear.
Yeah, that would be very NFL to collude to make the suit go away! Get everyone to pressure Gail Benson into hiring Flores in exchange for dropping the suit, so we can continue pretending all is well in the NFL.
I have no idea if the Giants or Broncos or even the Dolphins actually did anything substantially wrong. But they're all part of a league and a system that has horrible operating practices. Anything that shines a light on that is a good thing, IMO. That's it.
Hunter Gathers
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Legitimate question. Have you read the lawsuit, yet?
The lawsuit whines that the Giants hired Tom Coughlin over black candidates. It uses that hire - the coach that won two Super Bowls - as a "fact" to bolster Flores's case. This as some form of evidence that the Giants are racist (which the suit ABSOLUTELY alleges, mind you) is bonkers.
nyr2k2, the suit is absurd. It opens with a f***ing MLK quote (I instantly throw all suits that open with a stupid quote into the "bullshit lawsuit" pile in the first place since that kind of tactic is almost universally reviled and only certain attorneys seem to ever do it) and then goes through criticizing the hiring of a Super Bowl winning coach. You can't make this stuff up. It then whines that the Giants didn't hire Steve Wilks or Eric Studesville over McAdoo in 2016. Steve Wilks? Really? The same Steve Wilks that was so utterly incompetent that he couldn't even get past a single season as coach? I don't think Studesville had the resume at that point to warrant selection, either, but he at least is a solid position coach.
Wilks was so bad that he was out of football in general for a couple of years. I believe he was out for almost 2 full years after failing with the Browns (after he was canned by the Cardinals).
Hunter Gathers
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Ironically, I think that the Rooney Rule actually served a purpose, here. The Giants new GM really wanted Daboll. Mara apparently was very interested in both Frazier and Flores. Rather than just allow the Giants to name Daboll, the Giants' hands were tied by the rule and had to interview a minority candidate. This actually gave Flores a second chance to shine and convince Schoen that he was a better fit than Daboll.
He clearly didn't do enough to get the job. May have something to do with his three or four different OCs saga or something, too.
He clearly didn't do enough to get the job. May have something to do with his three or four different OCs saga or something, too.
Boris Zubov
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The Rooney Rules seems to have the opposite effect in many if not most cases. Obligatory interviews when the team has its eye on a primary choice does nothing but waste the time of the minority candidate & the team. It simply gives false hope when there is no chance the minority candidate is being seriously considered.
I understand the spirit of the rule when it was introduced, but 25+ years on, I don't see the point of continuing with it when there are a plenty of minorities in prominent roles in NFL front offices & coaching staffs.
Hunter Gathers
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Right - I think the rule is pretty bad. But it actually seems like it gave minority candidates a chance on this one that they may not have had if the GM had the first and only say in the matter. Yet here we have Flores whining about that and claiming he was forced to sit through a meal.
Boris Zubov
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As much as I think this lawsuit is bogus, I'd love to see this get to disclosure with the Ross allegations that Flores was paid to tank. No chance in hell it gets that far.
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