OT: Football Thread

[NickyFotiu]

That can't possibly be right. Two years ago the 49ers traded the 12th overall pick plus 2 additional first rounders for 3rd overall. Valuewise the Jets traded a little more than 2 2nds for Rodgers - maybe 2 2nds and a 3rd. That comes no where near the value of a top 10 pick IMO.

My opinion:

Jets make the superbowl - the majority of the fanbase (me included) will be satisfied no matter what else happens.
Jets have an entertaining offense and Rodgers plays into the 2024 season - I think most of us will be satisfied but still grumble about the 1st.
Jets have an entertaining offense and Rodgers retires - I think most of us will be ok with the trade but blame Joe Douglas for not getting a better deal.
Jets continue to suck and Rodgers gets benched/feigns an injury - same as above but relieved we don't have to give up a first.
Jets still suck and Rodgers retires - worst case scenario - we want Joe Douglas and Saleh gone and bern hired as the new GM.

Its based on a point system. Except for next years 1 not having a future slot value the math added up points wise.
Pack moved up to 13, got a 2nd round pick in 2023 and what should be a 2024 1st round pick.
Because of the unknown future value I'd drop it from #3 to #9.

 

[HANK30]

I mean lets be realistic about this trade

Rodgers will play well and have Jets in the Playoffs and meet the 65% criteria. But of course he will get injured around game 15 causing him to miss Playoffs and we get blown out in round 1.

Then he retires in off-season and we lose 1st round pick.


Basically the most Jets thing ever.

unfortunately the AFC East teams this year play the AFC West and NFC East teams. the jets are likely going to have to win their division if they are going to make the playoffs.

 

[sbjnyc]

Its based on a point system. Except for next years 1 not having a future slot value the math added up points wise.
Pack moved up to 13, got a 2nd round pick in 2023 and what should be a 2024 1st round pick.
Because of the unknown future value I'd drop it from #3 to #9.

Jimmy Johnson and Mike Mccoy made that chart up over 30 years ago. So many things have changed since then for me to place much stock in it today. The most important changes were the rookie wage cap and rising importance of QBs. That would make the slope a lot steeper for the top picks of the draft.

 

[RangerBlues]

I got no beef with the trade.If he plays and performs its a very late first round pick.
Who cares.
At 15 you can trade down like a demon and turn it into 2-3 extra quality picks.
They need bodies on the O and D line.

 

[bernmeister]

That can't possibly be right. Two years ago the 49ers traded the 12th overall pick plus 2 additional first rounders for 3rd overall. Valuewise the Jets traded a little more than 2 2nds for Rodgers - maybe 2 2nds and a 3rd. That comes no where near the value of a top 10 pick IMO.

My opinion:

Jets make the superbowl - the majority of the fanbase (me included) will be satisfied no matter what else happens.
Jets have an entertaining offense and Rodgers plays into the 2024 season - I think most of us will be satisfied but still grumble about the 1st.
Jets have an entertaining offense and Rodgers retires - I think most of us will be ok with the trade but blame Joe Douglas for not getting a better deal.
Jets continue to suck and Rodgers gets benched/feigns an injury - same as above but relieved we don't have to give up a first.
Jets still suck and Rodgers retires - worst case scenario - we want Joe Douglas and Saleh gone and bern hired as the new GM.

don't tempt me, I'm liable to go there
but I like the vote of confidence!!

Again, setting aside what would need be on the table for like 9er's Lance
Tannehill + their 1st for extra picks was the smart way to go

 

[SA16]

Jimmy Johnson and Mike Mccoy made that chart up over 30 years ago. So many things have changed since then for me to place much stock in it today. The most important changes were the rookie wage cap and rising importance of QBs. That would make the slope a lot steeper for the top picks of the draft.

It's also not even correct per that chart because that is totally neglecting that the Jets got a 1st round pick and fifth round pick back. That chart is also very outdated.

 

[NYR94]

 

[Ben Grimm]

Rodgers plays at least 65% of the plays, takes his $60M, retires, and the Pack gets the Jet's 2024 first round pick. In that case the Jets get no compensation. Horrible trade for the Jets.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Rodgers plays at least 65% of the plays, takes his $60M, retires, and the Pack gets the Jet's 2024 first round pick. In that case the Jets get no compensation. Horrible trade for the Jets.

I do not look at it as horrible as much as I look at it as a high risk high reward short term trade. The Jets have drafted QBs at #2 and #3 in the last 5 years. If they make the Superbowl then it was a fair trade. If they win a ring then it was a good trade. If they get eliminated before the Superbowl and AR plays less than 3 years then it will be a bad trade. Wouldn't it be crazy if AR goes bad and Zach takes over as starter in a year?

 

[sbjnyc]

In case you’re still in doubt…

 

[East Coast Bias]

Rodgers plays at least 65% of the plays, takes his $60M, retires, and the Pack gets the Jet's 2024 first round pick. In that case the Jets get no compensation. Horrible trade for the Jets.

Oh no then the Jets will be bad! However will we handle being terrible

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't like Rodgers and I'm not thrilled with the terms of the trade.

That said, this team sucks almost every year, and even when we're reasonably good, it's for like a year or two at most it seems. This gives us the best opportunity we've had in an absurdly long time to not just be relevant but to potentially go far.

It's hard for me to be excited but it's also something I can't deny is a worthwhile gamble. Worst case scenario he sucks, we suck like always, and we're down a first round pick. Which all told sounds like the Jets for the overwhelming majority of my lifetime, so yeah.

 

[FultonReed]

I don't like Rodgers and I'm not thrilled with the terms of the trade.

That said, this team sucks almost every year, and even when we're reasonably good, it's for like a year or two at most it seems. This gives us the best opportunity we've had in an absurdly long time to not just be relevant but to potentially go far.

It's hard for me to be excited but it's also something I can't deny is a worthwhile gamble. Worst case scenario he sucks, we suck like always, and we're down a first round pick. Which all told sounds like the Jets for the overwhelming majority of my lifetime, so yeah.

this. all of this. feels more like when we got Favre all over again, just a coincidence they came from the same place

 

[Ruggs225]

I wonder if the jets will game manage rodgers snaps at all.

Like if we are up big or down big in 4q will they bench him to try to keep his snap % down.

If they clinch PO spot early would they also keep him out?

Very curious on if thry factor this in at all.

 

[romba]

I wonder if the jets will game manage rodgers snaps at all.

Like if we are up big or down big in 4q will they bench him to try to keep his snap % down.

If they clinch PO spot early would they also keep him out?

Very curious on if thry factor this in at all.

I don’t think Rodgers would be ok with this, at least to the extent where you save 35% of playing time, and you don’t want to upset your star QB. Now if the odd game is a blowout then maybe you sit him the 4th, but that’s standard stuff. Anything more is risky imo.

 

[JimmyG89]

I wonder if the jets will game manage rodgers snaps at all.

Like if we are up big or down big in 4q will they bench him to try to keep his snap % down.

If they clinch PO spot early would they also keep him out?

Very curious on if thry factor this in at all.

Since it is 65%, it's not like he can sit the 4th to bring percentages down. They're in a competitive division and conference, where you're going to need 10 wins to be in the playoff discussion. Lets say for arguments sake, the Jets are locked into their spot prior to the last 2 games, that's roughly 12% of the season, and I would guess their offensive snaps are significantly less with Boyle/Wilson instead of Rodgers.

The only way that options doesn't vest is if he misses whole games due to injury. It's really an injury protection on their 2024 1st.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Since it is 65%, it's not like he can sit the 4th to bring percentages down. They're in a competitive division and conference, where you're going to need 10 wins to be in the playoff discussion. Lets say for arguments sake, the Jets are locked into their spot prior to the last 2 games, that's roughly 12% of the season, and I would guess their offensive snaps are significantly less with Boyle/Wilson instead of Rodgers.

The only way that options doesn't vest is if he misses whole games due to injury. It's really an injury protection on their 2024 1st.

Basically this.

 

[nyr2k2]

When we're eliminated after week 11 we can just bench him then.

 

[JimmyG89]

The AFC is loaded with QBs and the Ravens just kept Lamar Jackson.

Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Jackson, Rodgers, Lawrence, Watson, Tua. On top of that you've got guys that are at least competent in Garappolo, Tannehill, and Russell Wilson (who could bounce back).

I know there are Jets fans that didn't want Rodgers, but you cannot overstate how important it was to get him in the door and running the offense. You're so far behind the 8-ball without even above average play in this conference, and that doesn't even mention teams like Pittsburgh with Pickett, or the Colts and Texans that will very likely be taking a QB within the first few picks tonight.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Redone deal makes cap hint minimal in 2023 but $71 mill in 2024. They will probably redo that deal as well.

 

[Ruggs225]

When we're eliminated after week 11 we can just bench him then.

Thats the spirit

 

[LokiDog]

This Will Levis kid with a slightly ginger beard looks like a jacked alternate version of Lafreniere who would be an actual star. Looks like Eichel and Lafreniere had a child.

 

[Crease]

Great, on top of the Rangers, the Jets go off the board to draft a guy with no place on the roster.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Giants did pretty well getting value, IMO.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

This Will Levis kid with a slightly ginger beard looks like a jacked alternate version of Lafreniere who would be an actual star. Looks like Eichel and Lafreniere had a child.

His girlfriend is the real star of the night.