Don’t have to be a play driver to work as a 2C, but yeah he’s just not close. He needs the game simplified right now.
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Bender
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Agreed. Most of the goals against him have been on the PP as well.
When they brought him up, I instantly thought 'someone wants to see him play in the NHL'...
He was good tonight probably his best NHL game.
Officiating was terrible once again... lots of misses including that high-stick on Rants, a flat out tackle and several tripping non-calls. Not sure what's going on but that's two games in a row now.
I thought the officiating in the Calgary game was very good.
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Standards are high for a cup winning team, but we should chill out for a bit. No doubt the FO sees the same issues we see with the 2nd line. And I bet they know it probably won't be fixed by just inserting Landeskog into the lineup.
Winnipeg has played below their rosters ability for the last two years. They still have a decent team. No shame in losing a game to them.
Winnipeg has played below their rosters ability for the last two years. They still have a decent team. No shame in losing a game to them.
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Hopefully management has learned from the Jost experiment. Cut him loose early with a + for an upgrade at 2C.
Avs are playing the accumulate cap space game incredibly aggressive this year.
That's good news because it likely signals they recognize the work this roster needs. Having potentially ~$7.5M in cap space at the trade deadline gives them a lot of flexibility.
That's good news because it likely signals they recognize the work this roster needs. Having potentially ~$7.5M in cap space at the trade deadline gives them a lot of flexibility.
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Avs can survive without Landeskog until January, but they're gonna overwork that 1st line which is not good.
Bender
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Not sure I agree with the overall sentiment. While Newhook has no points and the 2nd line looks pretty bad, I didn't think he was awful tonight by any means and he's certainly NOT the reason we lost. He wasn't on the ice for any of the goals against. The team was slow out of the gate and looked like ass in the first period much like they did against Calgary.
Right now, it's a bad mix with Rodrigues in there and it would be as well with Compher - since they appear to be just about the same player.
Not sure that would be best for his confidence. That's kind of the path they used with Jost and kept flip-flopping him between lines giving him 1-2 games up in the top-6 and then back to the 4th line for 2-3 games. If they say they want to give Newhook a real opportunity as the #2C, then making a switch 4 games in is not really doing that... I think it would ruin his confidence even more.
I'd try him with Nuke and Rants as his wingers on Friday against the Kraken and see how that goes. MacKinnon has shown in the past to be able to produce with Calvert and Donskoi - I think he could probably make it work with whoever they stick there.
@henchman24 called it this summer when he said that Rodrigues is just not a Top-6 guy. It's not because he signs with the Avs that he can magically become one. He's going to provide some depth scoring once his role gets figured out and he can have some regular linemates. I really don't like him in the Top-6 but I'd like to see what he can do as the #3C.
What we were told about ERod was not legitimate IMO. I'm seeing the very same player I witnessed playing on a number of bad Sabres teams. I've never seen E-Rod drive the play, finish and be a catalyst. He's needed other better players to make him play better. Occasionally, he'll stand out making an individual play or effort.
Newhook has no snipe/finish to his game. He's jersey crest shooter.
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Just got done watching the 2nd and 3rd and to be honest I'm kinda surprised they Megna and Blidh down, unless they call them right back up for the next game.
Blidh led all skaters for the Avs with 91.02 xGF%. Megna came in at 84.83%. Jayson was also 70% on the dot for the night. I'd say the new 4th line had a pretty great night all things considered. Of course, were talking limited minutes for both guys. Blidh got 6:03 of TOI with Megna getting a bit more at 6:19.
Blidh led all skaters for the Avs with 91.02 xGF%. Megna came in at 84.83%. Jayson was also 70% on the dot for the night. I'd say the new 4th line had a pretty great night all things considered. Of course, were talking limited minutes for both guys. Blidh got 6:03 of TOI with Megna getting a bit more at 6:19.
I think this is exactly what they are doing. They'll spend tomorrow down in the AHL so the Avs can bank maximum cap space, and then call them back up again for the b2b on Friday/Saturday before sending them down again after that.
Unless Helm is ready to go by then and/or they decide to use MacDonald next game.
I dont think this move is at all related to how they played. I think it is 100% related to the salary cap and accruing as much space as they can every day.
Newhook was the worst center tonight, really wasn’t even close. Now Megna had a matchup advantage, so not really fair. He was not at all good or even passable though. Lucky to not be on the ice for a couple goals against.
On the confidence… doing things wrong, already getting demoted, and being a guy that will have a lot of negative tape is no way to build confidence. I’m not saying strike it all together. Just sit him down and simply say we’re going to lessen your responsibilities to get you going offensively. Let you focus on the offensive side for now and get some confidence with the puck and making plays. When that comes back, then we’ll shift you over to center.
The chance talk was always lip service. Bednar is not a patient coach. Even with that being stubborn on this without adjusting, is simply asking for him to really struggle. A good part of this is mental and is snowballing.
I’m fine breaking up the first line, but the 2C role is demanding and better wingers won’t solve it. Frankly he was with the guy who has played the best to start the season and drug down the advanced stats superstar to mediocre levels.
Best 4th line performance of the year really. But this is simple cap maneuvering
Newhook was suppposed to be the one to break the Avs streak of draft picks above #10 over the last 12-13 years that weren't garbage. What a shame.
Agree Rants was the best player, but we can't blame 29 for OT if we aren't going to blame the poorly missed shot by 96.
It was right to shoot but it was a bad miss by 96. Got to hit the net in OT.
But really a poorly played OT, is far from the issues plaguing us right now.
92 is out until probably February. No one here expected that. 2C has got be a priority quick. G, Newhook and 1st better all be available. Our depth players 5-12 are simply not good enough to be a playoff team. We will not be able stay afloat long enough. A legit 2C evens us out a bit and should be plenty to bridge the gap to get 92 back in the lineup.
No they can't, and you're dreaming of you think we see 92 before February. 12 weeks is mid January and that's probably best case scenario.
Our players 5-12 either suck or are playing higher than they should. Can't win games with 4 forwards, a solid defense, and average goalies.
Trading for a legit 2C has to happen fast. Even it requires overpayment.
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They don't have the cap space right now to trade for 2C
Bill Peckerskull
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Think I'd move ERod up, and see if you can get him some confidence, and put Hook with another playmaker to get him going. I'd also recall Bowers and give him a shot
Nuke/Mack/Erod
Lehk/Hook/Mikko
Cogs/JTC/Kaut
MacJLD/Bowers/LOC
Of course, MacJLD might be playing D with Toews potentially being injured.
Nuke/Mack/Erod
Lehk/Hook/Mikko
Cogs/JTC/Kaut
MacJLD/Bowers/LOC
Of course, MacJLD might be playing D with Toews potentially being injured.
That can’t add one without salary going out, but they can move salary in a trade. It is about wherewithal, not ability.
You’d be even more upset with ERod there… he’d kill plays. That’s what he has typically done when paired with better players. He is at his best Johnny Malkining it.
Put Newhook on MacK’s wing with Nuke. Best chance for him to gain some offensive confidence. Then run Lehk-Rants-Kaut as the 2nd line (only since Kaut did all he needed to do tonight… when/if he struggles that should be Compher).
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It's clear by now that they're not willing to trade Girard or JTC or anyone else from the roster so... They can put Landy on LTIR and trade their 1st and prospects for a 2C maybe or just wait until the trade deadline
Yeah it's called move Girard. 5M instantly appears. Throw in Newhook and it's basically 6M, and if you can get some retention it's no problem.
I'd be dangling a package of G, Newhook, 1st around the league. Should be plenty to get a legit 2C and some retention.
It's win now mode, can't wait and hope the Newhook turns into something, G has become redundant and a 1st is a 1st.
Right now they may not be, but we don’t know the future. Could be in 2 weeks… or they could never. The cap is an issue in the trade, but it isn’t so limiting today that no move can be made. Just have to want to make the move
If they aren't frantically searching the trade market for a 2C, then why not give Bowers and Olausson a shot. Right now we are severely lacking offensive flow. Adding guys like Megna and Blidh is just not it.
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