Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade for Erik Johnson. 2024 4th round pick to Buffalo

[GKJ]

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[BritainStix]

It's kinda funny. There were so many people waiting for Briere to fail so badly at the deadline, that the only real poor move was a 4th round pick lost, so people here are absolutely piling in on it. It's a shit move, but at least there is some sort of rational thought behind it.

Its never a good statement to say at least we arent as bad as we were, but the Flyers have certainly come a long way from trades like Ristolainen if losing a 4th is the only real thing people can bitch about.

 

[Tripod]

Walker traded… risto hurt, Seeler hurt, Drysdale hurt, cam York with a scare last night - but we don’t need defense.

Throwing 20 kids on the ice and hoping for the best is not “development” lol

We need a backup goalie and didn't do anything.
We need to fix the PP and didn't do anything.
We needed D and added a shit 35 year old dman....let's celebrate!

 

[LegionOfGloom]

It's kinda funny. There were so many people waiting for Briere to fail so badly at the deadline, that the only real poor move was a 4th round pick lost, so people here are absolutely piling in on it. It's a shit move, but at least there is some sort of rational thought behind it.

Its never a good statement to say at least we arent as bad as we were, but the Flyers have certainly come a long way from trades like Ristolainen if losing a 4th is the only real thing people can bitch about.

Your point would be stronger if your statement he only made one real poor move was true. Resigning Seeler to a 4 year deal was a bad move. Not moving Laughton was a bad move (compounded by his prior bad move of not trading him at the draft). So three bad moves, one good move, and the rest irrelevant.

 

[BritainStix]

Your point would be stronger if your statement he only made one real poor move was true. Resigning Seeler to a 4 year deal was a bad move. Not moving Laughton was a bad move (compounded by his prior bad move of not trading him at the draft). So three bad moves, one good move, and the rest irrelevant.

If Seeler remains a good soldier and a solid #4 defenseman, there is nothing wrong with that deal. The dude is rocking a +15 on the season on a pretty depleted blueline and he was one of the only positive players last year too. I know +- is awful. But he passes the eye test too.

 

[BernieParent]

Dumba would have made more sense since he cost less and has more tools.

Pretty bad move here.

I felt mostly positive about the movies made so far until this one.

This feels like a Torts sanctioned move for sure.

Ah, but is Dumba good for the room??? That's the key question here. Stanley Cup-winning Erik Johnson certainly will be.

I quote from the Athletic article of a couple of hours ago:

Johnson averaged 14 minutes a night on the Sabres blue line and brings with him almost 1,000 games of NHL experience, off-ice leadership and Stanley Cup pedigree, having won the Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in 2022.

4th round picks or Matt Dumba don't give you these things!

 

[LegionOfGloom]

If Seeler remains a good soldier and a solid #4 defenseman, there is nothing wrong with that deal. The dude is rocking a +15 on the season on a pretty depleted blueline and he was one of the only positive players last year too. I know +- is awful. But he passes the eye test too.

Ok fine. One good move, two bad moves, one move if everything holds will be "nothing wrong" and the rest irrelevant. Sounds like a C or D grade to me.

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

who were the flyers competing with in this trade to merit a 4th?

Competing with the desire to make sure everyone feels all warm and fuzzy after the deal. We wouldn’t want anyone to feel shafted after all!

 

[Rebels57]

Walker traded… risto hurt, Seeler hurt, Drysdale hurt, cam York with a scare last night - but we don’t need defense.

Throwing 20 kids on the ice and hoping for the best is not “development” lol

There were better options that cost less.

 

[BritainStix]

Ok fine. One good move, two bad moves, one move if everything holds will be "nothing wrong" and the rest irrelevant. Sounds like a C or D grade to me.

What was the other bad move?

 

[hockeynormy]

We need a backup goalie and didn't do anything.
We need to fix the PP and didn't do anything.
We needed D and added a shit 35 year old dman....let's celebrate!

lol adding one player isn’t going to “fix” the PP, you’re being delusional.

If Laughton got moved for anything less than a first you’d be pouting. Wait till the offseason and see what happens then.

4th rounder is a nothing burger. Not my favorite deal but I’m not out on a ledge somewhere over it.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

What was the other bad move?

Not sure which one you're missing but I'm counting Johnson and not trading Laughton.

 

[Magua]

It's kinda funny. There were so many people waiting for Briere to fail so badly at the deadline, that the only real poor move was a 4th round pick lost, so people here are absolutely piling in on it. It's a shit move, but at least there is some sort of rational thought behind it.

Its never a good statement to say at least we arent as bad as we were, but the Flyers have certainly come a long way from trades like Ristolainen if losing a 4th is the only real thing people can bitch about.

I said this yesterday: losing value selling is harder to see than losing value buying. Because you're still gaining assets.

The Fletcher Era was defined as moving backwards while try to win. That's the most noxious of failures. So far, the Briere-Jones Era is mostly standing still while saying it's a rebuild. (I don't think this trade was the "single bad move" either since last summer.) But Briere didn't fail badly, and that's not really the point. He's not winning moves either. It's the Hextall treadmill years with a shiny new paint job.

 

[hockeynormy]

There were better options that cost less.

Not every deal that happened today was on the table for Philadelphia.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

Not every deal that happened today was on the table for Philadelphia.

So if the Flyers offered their 5th for Dumba and told Arizona they could keep the 7th they included to TB, Arizona would have told the Flyers no for what reason exactly?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

It's kinda funny. There were so many people waiting for Briere to fail so badly at the deadline, that the only real poor move was a 4th round pick lost, so people here are absolutely piling in on it. It's a shit move, but at least there is some sort of rational thought behind it.

Its never a good statement to say at least we arent as bad as we were, but the Flyers have certainly come a long way from trades like Ristolainen if losing a 4th is the only real thing people can bitch about.

It’s a terrible move that I legit can’t wrap my head around

 

[BritainStix]

I said this yesterday: losing value selling is harder to see than losing value buying. Because you're still gaining assets.

The Fletcher Era was defined as moving backwards while try to win. That's the most noxious of failures. So far, the Briere-Jones Era is mostly standing still while saying it's a rebuild. (I don't think this trade was the "single bad move" either since last summer.) But Briere didn't fail badly, and that's not really the point. He's not winning moves either.

I think that's a little unfair.

Hathaway, Poehling were good signings.

The Tippet extension is a positive right now.

The Provorov trade was successful
The Walker trade was a success.

There are wins here.

 

[hockeynormy]

I think that's a little unfair.

Hathaway, Poehling were good signings.

The Tippet extension is a positive right now.

The Provorov trade was successful
The Walker trade was a success.

There are wins here.

I like the Seeler signing too. Danny said it best, you trade him and you’ll be right back to looking for another Seeler. People whining about the NTC … give me a break. We wanted to sign him, we like the player. We were never going to trade him in the first two years so if it makes him feel warm and fuzzy inside and gets him signed - do it. What people don’t understand is that is very likely part of the convo… I’ll take less per year but since that contract makes me very trade-able I want an NTC for years 1 and 2. Fine. We like the player, didn’t intend on trading you the first two years.

But people want to just complain to feel apart of something I guess.

 

[Juicy Pop]

Acquire all the Johnsons

 

[GKJ]

 

[Beef Invictus]

But people want to just complain to feel apart of something I guess.

You certainly are complaining.

 

[Jack Straw]

Ah sorry, I mean the whole deadline. If the goal is playoffs, Johnson doesn't move that needle. And I think any time you add a bad player you have made your depth worse.

I understand this point, but I don’t believe that the goal is the playoffs. I think they have found themselves in a likely playoff spot and figured they could use a veteran defenseman. I don’t personally like it but I understand it. But I don’t think the front office approached the deadline with the goal of making, or even possibly improving their performance in, the playoffs.

I think it’s pretty clear that the front office’s goal is a rebuild. It’s just not the Sam Hinkie mass sell-off that some people want.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I understand this point, but I don’t believe that the goal is the playoffs. I think they have found themselves in a likely playoff spot and figured they could use a veteran defenseman. I don’t personally like it but I understand it. But I don’t think the front office approached the deadline with the goal of making, or even possibly improving their performance in, the playoffs.

I think it’s pretty clear that the front office’s goal is a rebuild. It’s just not the Sam Hinkie mass sell-off that some people want.

I honestly have no idea what their goal is because they went in opposing directions.

 

[hockeynormy]

You certainly are complaining.

I’m doing just fine. No problem with the moves and we will see what happens at the draft - maybe a Laughton or Risto move, we’ll see. What im not doing is having a little meltdown in here about a 4th round pick or signing nick seeler. Take a deep breath.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m doing just fine. No problem with the moves and we will see what happens at the draft - maybe a Laughton or Risto move, we’ll see. What im not doing is having a little meltdown in here about a 4th round pick or signing nick seeler. Take a deep breath.

Nobody is having a meltdown. And the last few weeks the bulk of the whining has been a handful of posters sobbing nonstop about other posters not leaking effusive praise for everything the team does. Maybe....stop?

 

[GKJ]

Their goal was only to make people stop actively hating them