Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade for Erik Johnson. 2024 4th round pick to Buffalo

[GKJ]

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[Starat327]

On my way to /r/tvtoohigh to get far angrier than I do about the Flyers.

Worthy of angst. For sure.

 

[Beef Invictus]

As usual, you are a disingenuous jackass.

"HATE this teams direction"

"Go home, we're drunk."

"What f*** the actual, Branny?"

"Danny just got fleeced damn"

"What the f*** are you doing Danny!"

"WHAT ARE THEY DOING"

"This GM is so f***ing awful"

"Staal Johnson will be the worst pair in Flyers history"

"At least we have clarity on one thing: Danny Briere is a f***ing clown GM."

"This trade makes me absolutely furious"

10 posts in a thread with 277 replies. Thank you for proving that you're completely overblowing this and the nonstop whining about anyone daring to say anything negative ever is sad.

 

[GKJ]

Some thoughts.

Konecny's treatment will be a big fork in the road. That's where a version of "Flyer rebuild mode" rubber will meet the road. He's not like Tippet, or Sanheim, or any other recent l/t signing that was somewhat questionable to 3-4 year rebuild...he's already a bona fide star asset that you can flip for a haul.

Decision on Couts much less so, he's quite difficult to move in any case until he demonstrates he's fully back from injury, and even then, moving such a long and expensive contract, for a 30+year old? It's not nearly as easy to do as trading TK for their preference of picks or players. As I have said before on this forum...the only comparable I can recall is, sadly, Ellis...

Maybe they will do what you suggest...move picks for impact players starting next summer. Maybe they use picks themselves instead. And maybe it will be informed by how the roster, and specific players, performs. Yes, it's mushy, and vague.

To me, it seems very hard not to play both sides. The ship turns slowly...

They’re clearly already committed to him. If the CBA would allow so, they would have resigned him by now.


Couturier - listen Vegas will trade for anyone and they don’t necessarily need to be healthy

 

[Starat327]

10 posts in a thread with 277 replies. Thank you for proving that you're completely overblowing this and your nonstop whining about anyone daring to say anything negative ever is sad.

Get em Lil beef.

 

[Curufinwe]

I have been against most of the moves this organization has made for a long time, but this type of behavior is embarrassing by proxy. The team makes the playoffs for the first time in years and actually plays with some fire, but these nellies are angrier than ever.

They haven't made the playoffs yet.

And we saw them squeak in as a bottom seed plenty of times in the 10s. It's not that exciting, even if it does happen.

 

[Hextallent63]

It would extremly easy for Brier e to get a fourth round pick if there's someone there that they like.

 

[Curufinwe]

They’re clearly already committed to him. If the CBA would allow so, they would have resigned him by now.


Couturier - listen Vegas will trade for anyone and they don’t necessarily need to be healthy

They're counting the minutes to 12:01am on July 1st.

 

[ajgoal]

On my way to /r/tvtoohigh to get far angrier than I do about the Flyers.

I just hung mine up. It's right against the ceiling, but it tilts down so it's ok.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Take a look at the retained salary, buyouts and buried penalties against the Flyer's cap. Ever since they started loading them up, they were in rebuild mode. No team can compete at all with all the cap Flyers spent in those areas.

Ever since Hayes went on it, for $3.5M x3 more years, the die was pretty much cast. Adding DeAngelo and Petersen to it for 2 more seasons themselves made it official. Those 3 alone were over $9M in cap, for 2 full seasons.

That's what a rebuild looks like, in black & white. And it's only been added to since then, and somewhat heavily i.e RyJo. Hopefully...nothing will be added that leaks into 2026-27, or beyond...except perhaps that Risto deal...it's a doozie of a pickle.

So a rebuild is defined by a lot of players on buyouts and dead money?

I thought a rebuild is defined by using all possible ways to acquire draft picks or young players with potential?

You can have 100.000.000.000 on dead money on the cap but also have few picks and bad depth in your talent pool!

The Flyers are on the best way to do exactly that!

 

[Starat327]

I just hung mine up. It's right against the ceiling, but it tilts down so it's ok.

Did the mount ruin the heat retention in there?

 

[mja]

I have been against most of the moves this organization has made for a long time, but this type of behavior is embarrassing by proxy. The team makes the playoffs for the first time in years and actually plays with some fire, but these nellies are angrier than ever.

I really couldn't give a f*** whether or not this team makes the playoffs. For the first time in my nearly 40 years of being a Flyers fan, I have absolutely no hope that they will legitimately compete for a championship at any point in, say, the next 5 years, at a minimum.

You're good with making the playoffs as a bottom seed and existing in a state of permanent mediocrity? Fine, knock yourself out, whatever floats your boat, and I'm very insincerely sorry that us angry nellies are making this less fun for you by not being able to also enjoy getting kicked in the balls repeatedly by this f***ing team. Feel free to find a more positive online community.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I decided to read back several pages to discover these "childish fits" and the most bitter complaining and stuff most resembling "childish fits" has been coming from the people pretending there is excessive complaining. Weird how that works. The thread consists of people saying "I don't like this" by and large, what's unreasonable or fit-like about that?

I may have had a meltdown on page 3. My bad Beef, felt like I was living with Chuck as my GM

 

[LegionOfGloom]

Some thoughts.

Konecny's treatment will be a big fork in the road. That's where a version of "Flyer rebuild mode" rubber will meet the road. He's not like Tippet, or Sanheim, or any other recent l/t signing that was somewhat questionable to 3-4 year rebuild...he's already a bona fide star asset that you can flip for a haul.

Decision on Couts much less so, he's quite difficult to move in any case until he demonstrates he's fully back from injury, and even then, moving such a long and expensive contract, for a 30+year old? It's not nearly as easy to do as trading TK for their preference of picks or players. As I have said before on this forum...the only comparable I can recall is, sadly, Ellis...

Maybe they will do what you suggest...move picks for impact players starting next summer. Maybe they use picks themselves instead. And maybe it will be informed by how the roster, and specific players, performs. Yes, it's mushy, and vague.

To me, it seems very hard not to play both sides. The ship turns slowly...

But the problem is that they are forcing themselves into this mushy situation. Almost the entire team is already signed for next year. So what happens a year from now when we are in the same exact situation only now having wasted two years? You need to pick a direction and then go for it. They picked a direction - they won't shut up that they're rebuilding - but then did not go for it. They did nothing.

The plan should've been obvious. Everything should've been geared towards building the team for Michkov's arrival. The sole focus should've been on getting someone who you think can be the 1C running mate to Michkov and someone to anchor the defense. Instead, they've prioritized getting playoff experience for Noah Cates who whether he is here or not when Michkov arrives is totally irrelevant.

 

[freakydallas13]

Like, if you want to celebrate how much you love everything this team does, more power to you. Enjoy it.

But if you are upset everytime someone else here is frustrated/despondent/angry with yet another Flyers boneheaded decision and general lack of direction, and whine about other people calling the team out, maybe don't do that? Huff all the team farts you desire, but don't get up in arms if everyone doesn't think like you do.

 

[eramosat]

They’re clearly already committed to him. If the CBA would allow so, they would have resigned him by now.


Couturier - listen Vegas will trade for anyone and they don’t necessarily need to be healthy

Tell me how the Flyers already clearly committed to TK? Not being confront-a-tional, I truly have no idea if there's anything been said or done to suggest that path? You don't mean the A.

A Couts trade would be a good thing, if it can be swung without overtly negative assets coming back...I'll stay tuned, and keep on influencing whatever front-offices I can.

 

[mja]

I decided to read back several pages to discover these "childish fits" and the most bitter complaining and stuff most resembling "childish fits" has been coming from the people pretending there is excessive complaining. Weird how that works. The thread consists of people saying "I don't like this" by and large, what's unreasonable or fit-like about that?

It's because they want to have fun talking hockey again and they can't right now, so they're bitter and resentful, but they direct it at the wrong people, i.e. at clear-eyed fans who can't help but see how f***ed we are, instead of the people they should direct their angst at, namely the diseased organizational culture and the old boys club morons who perpetuate it.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

what younger guys? Forrester, Frost, Tippet? They are going to be fielding a team that consists of a 34 yo ND, 35 yo Atkinson, 35 yo Johnson and a 38? yo Stall. All of whom suck beyond compare. And this is a rebuild year! That is all you need to know about this ass-backward organization. And I'm leaving out the good stuff -- (1) a coach who is a dinosaur and on a good day acts like an ass, (2) A GM who trained under Fletcher and the Wharton executive MBA program and (3) a POHO who was previously an announcer

I didn’t make it clear enough perhaps, but the underlying idea was that stripping the entire roster and playing an entire roster of “younger guys” doesn’t allow you to even sniff playoffs this season. That’s not to say there aren’t a handful of better roster decisions to be made (e.g not f***ing around with Frost, playing Lycksell over Deslauriers etc).

 

[LegionOfGloom]

It would extremly easy for Brier e to get a fourth round pick if there's someone there that they like.

Sure but that doesn't change the fact that whatever it costs to acquire that pick will be more valuable than the next six weeks of negative play that Johnson is highly likely to deliver.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's because they want to have fun talking hockey again and they can't right now, so they're bitter and resentful, but they direct it at the wrong people, i.e. at clear-eyed fans who can't help but see how f***ed we are, instead of the people they should direct their angst at, namely the diseased organizational culture and the old boys club morons who perpetuate it.

I read whole threads. Because I really like reading talk about the Flyers, because I really like the team and sport . If very negative posts are coming at a rate of one per page, which is about the rate he, that's unnoticeable; that's blips in a discussion. Unless you're in the thread determined to find those few instances and be mad about it. Then I guess it's all you see.

 

[GKJ]

Tell me how the Flyers already clearly committed to TK? Not being confront-a-tional, I truly have no idea if there's anything been said or done to suggest that path? You don't mean the A.

A Couts trade would be a good thing, if it can be swung without overtly negative assets coming back...I'll stay tuned, and keep on influencing whatever front-offices I can.

He can’t sign before July 1, and everything reported seems to indicate pointing that to happening.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

I read whole threads. Because I really like reading talk about the Flyers, because I really like the team and sport . If very negative posts are coming at a rate of one per page, which is about the rate he, that's unnoticeable; that's blips in a discussion. Unless you're in the thread determined to find those few instances and be mad about it. Then I guess it's all you see.

It's a matter of perception. If you or I saw the following post:

Statistically, it's going to be very difficult for us to draft a 1C picking in the 20s.

We just read it as an observation of obvious fact.

But the stepfords see it as a negative post because it challenges their delusion that a team with a very shoddy history in the draft is just going to start plucking Brayden Points on the regular and the team will be set.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Also, what makes this move even worse is that we all know Tortorella will want him extended for next season, so expect a overpaid contract this summer

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Guys, he doesn't have an assist in 50 games this season playing 14 minutes a night.

That's barely plausible.

Edit: for a 4th? Jebus, Danny.

Deslauriers doesn't have a goal.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

People have pretty high value for a 4th.
Erik Johnson isn't it, but its not a 1st everyone.

Who's the last Flyers 4th that has hit?

That's not the point at all, the point is, you wasted an asset, when you have people who are better than him already, it's a waste of the chance of hitting on a pick/ using that pick to move up or even in a package

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It's right against the ceiling, but it tilts down so it's ok.

This is the logic that lead to the Bonk pick.