Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade for Erik Johnson. 2024 4th round pick to Buffalo

[GKJ]

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[Deadpool8812]

Unnecessary trade. Why Danny?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Are they not coming off a road win vs the best team in hockey?

Do they not have the 6th most points in the Eastern Conference and appear likely to earn a playoff berth?

With Walker traded, Risto hurt, Drysdale hurt, Seeler hurt, am I wrong, or is their D:

York-Sanheim
Zamula-Staal
Ginning-Attard

Am I wrong, or is that 3 rookie D, including a guy who's played 2 career NHL games, and one who has played 19. And the guy who has played 19 games is the only RHD.

So, yeah, I understand the idea of adding a RHD as they approach the playoffs, even if I'm meh on the deal.

But he's worse than Attard. There isn't anything to understand. It's just a bad move that makes playoffs more distant while also interfering with player development.

 

[Appleyard]

Tampa just got Dumba, who is slightly better at this point, for basically nothing.

5th rounder in 2027 and got a 2025 7th back.

 

[JABEE]

who were the flyers competing with in this trade to merit a 4th?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

But he's worse than Attard. There isn't anything to understand. It's just a bad move that makes playoffs more distant while also interfering with player development.

They're 6th in the conference with only 18 games remaining. Likely to make the playoffs.

And the only healthy RHD on the team is a rookie Ronnie Attard who has played 19 career NHL games.

So, yeah, I understand wanting to add a RHD with experience.

Doesn't mean I love the trade. But they did need depth.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

who were the flyers competing with in this trade to merit a 4th?

Logic and common sense

 

[Tripod]

I thought playoff experience for kids is invaluable?

Does that still hold true if they don't play and instead watch a 35 year old worse than them play?

 

[TheKingPin]

Wonder if Drysdale is likely missing the rest of the year. This trade is terrible. Waiver adds make far more sense.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They're 6th in the conference with only 18 games remaining. Likely to make the playoffs.

And the only healthy RHD on the team is a rookie Ronnie Attard who has played 19 career NHL games.

So, yeah, I understand wanting to add a RHD with experience.

Doesn't mean I love the trade. But they did need depth.

They are now less likely to make the playoffs though. This doesn't improve depth. It worsens it. That's the thing. You say you understand why they did it, but they accomplished none of those things

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Zero problems with trading a pick for a player.

Do have problems with the player they chose.

Those are not conflicting opinions.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They are now less likely to make the playoffs though. This doesn't improve depth. It worsens it. That's the thing. You say you understand why they did it, but they accomplished none of those things

"They are now less likely to make the playoffs."

Based on what? I thought you and this board considered Ginning an ECHL-level talent. Now the Flyers are less likely to make the playoffs because they are replacing Ginning's roster spot with Erik Johnson?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Member when they gave up a prospect and 3 firsts to rent Adam Oates for a quick first round exit.

That was fun

At least the prospect was the biggest bum I've ever seen tend the net live.

Max Ouellet mentions still trigger me almost 20 years later.

 

[Striiker]

what is this shit

 

[Beef Invictus]

"They are now less likely to make the playoffs."

Based on what? I thought you and this board considered Ginning an ECHL-level talent. Now the Flyers are less likely to make the playoffs because they are replacing Ginning's roster spot with Erik Johnson?

They moved Walker. They are now less likely to make the playoffs. They became less likely the second they moved Walker. And everyone being hurt, to boot. If the goal is "playoffs" this doesn't help and yet it costs them. They're better off keeping Ginning or Attard and also keeping their asset. They are no closer to the playoffs by playing Johnson over either. The difference between the three of them isn't large enough. It's just bleeding assets for nothing.

The sum of the deadline is that they moved further away from the current playoffs and also diminished future assets a bit.

Don't ascribe the opinions of others to me. That doesn't work as a rebuttal. The board consensus you pretend exists isn't real.

 

[FLYguy3911]

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what is this shit

Fuhrich scored today. Cheer up.

 

[Striiker]

Fuhrich scored today. Cheer up.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They moved Walker. They are now less likely to make the playoffs. They became less likely the second they moved Walker. And everyone being hurt, to boot. If the goal is "playoffs" this doesn't help and yet it costs them. They're better off keeping Ginning or Attard and also keeping their asset. They are no closer to the playoffs by playing Johnson over either. The difference between the three of them isn't large enough. It's just bleeding assets for nothing.

The sum of the deadline is that they moved further away from the current playoffs and also diminished future assets a bit.

Don't ascribe the opinions of others to me. That doesn't work as a rebuttal. The board consensus you pretend exists isn't real.

Am I wrong in interpreting that you meant the act of trading for Erik Johnson made them less likely to make the playoffs than if they didn't make the trade at all?

 

[Rebels57]

Dumba would have made more sense since he cost less and has more tools.

Pretty bad move here.

I felt mostly positive about the movies made so far until this one.

This feels like a Torts sanctioned move for sure.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Am I wrong in interpreting that you meant the act of trading for Erik Johnson made them less likely to make the playoffs than if they didn't make the trade at all?

Ah sorry, I mean the whole deadline. If the goal is playoffs, Johnson doesn't move that needle. And I think any time you add a bad player you have made your depth worse.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Dumba would have made more sense since he cost less and has more tools.

Pretty bad move here.

I felt mostly positive about the movies made so far until this one.

This feels like a Torts sanctioned move for sure.

Pretty much this.

Danny has gotten the big things right so far. In the grand scheme of things this is a little thing and that 4th is unlikely to cost us anything. But this is a bad move. Period.

Tampa traded a 2026 lottery ticket (5th), got back a slightly worse lottery ticket 2 years earlier (2024 7th) and got a better / not completely washed player. If we “had” to buy a depth defenseman, that’s how you do it. We had all the leverage. I bet Buffalo is privately thrilled just to have “done right” by EJ and get him to a playoff team and to also not have to pay him anymore. The draft pick was just a cherry on top.

If EJ happens to somehow rediscover his legs and doesn’t totally suck, I’ll be shocked and give Briere some credit. But I don’t see that happening.

 

[Danko]

Ah sorry, I mean the whole deadline. If the goal is playoffs, Johnson doesn't move that needle. And I think any time you add a bad player you have made your depth worse.

Playoff experience not getting them to the playoffs :d

 

[LegionOfGloom]

w


Playoff experience not getting them to the playoffs :d

I hope they get into the playoffs and get swept 4-0 and outscored 17-1 (Deslauriers lighting the lamp). Then we can hear about how valuable that experience was and well worth starting a rebuild by picking 20th in the draft.

 

[Magua]

People here and in the media have a similar strange logic that I have noticed. When they make a questionable move involving a mid round pick its something like "maybe they think they can make another move to replace that pick"

I have no idea where this line of thinking comes from. Why are we connecting multiple trades as if losing value in one is fine as long as you do something else to break even? Do people not know you can come out ahead???

For the next 3 drafts, the only extra pick the Flyers have from rounds 3-7 is STILL the 6th from Hayes. They're down their own 4th and two 5ths, while having the Kings/Canes/Knights 5ths. That's slightly negative total value. They wouldn't even have a 2nd this year if not for JOB.

Funnily, the Flyers hate trading back to acquire more picks. They prefer to trade up for the Ratcliffes and Wisdoms. And the one trade down they did was very debatable given the board.

Some people don't care when they waste a 5th or don't pick up an extra 2nd/3rd, zooming in on the single move to argue the inconsequentiality, but this team continues to bleed value in the aggregate. They picked up an extra 2nd.....as part of wasting a 5th overall pick. But they have the 1sts of two Stanley Cup favorites, so that makes up for everything for a team desperately in need of talent. I feel confident they spend a 1st + 2nd on something questionable within the next year to short cut it.

 

[hockeynormy]

Walker traded… risto hurt, Seeler hurt, Drysdale hurt, cam York with a scare last night - but we don’t need defense.

Throwing 20 kids on the ice and hoping for the best is not “development” lol

 

[Beef Invictus]

Walker traded… risto hurt, Seeler hurt, Drysdale hurt, cam York with a scare last night - but we don’t need defense.

Throwing 20 kids on the ice and hoping for the best is not “development” lol

Never letting them play unless there is no choice isn't either.