Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[GKJ]

Gotta wonder if ASF just submarined the Snow The Goalie pod...they have a pretty cushy setup right now with the flyers. Wonder if that starts to get distanced.

No chance, there’s nobody else who will air the grievances of the alumni and advisors.

 

[GKJ]

Flyers fans after team drafted Gauthier: Morons! Dinosaurs! They drafted him because of size! When this old school ends? We need modern undersized players with skating!

Flyers fans after team got modern undersized player with skating: What are you f'''' doing???

Charlie Brown had hoes

 

[flyersnorth]

I can't believe that STG is honestly nominated for best hockey podcast in the country... at least that's what they keep saying. That seems sus.

Russ, in particular, is insufferable.

 

[BritainStix]

They partnered back in earlyish October and in the reveal tweet STG said "officially partnered with the @NHLFlyers" so right, wrong, or indifferent they do have a bit of responsibility with that now being a thing.

The optics of ASF putting Hayes' name out there followed with Russ and Therien BLASTING Hayes and then shortly after the Chairman of the team goes on there just doesn't sit right with me. If Hilferty didn't jump on there it wouldn't be as big of a deal to me but he was and there's no higher up person in the Flyers' organization than him so i'd prefer my Chairman to distance himself from that a little bit.

There's also been a noticeable tone shift from the crew from the times i've listened and others have said the same thing since Jones was hired. That's a bit too coincidental for my taste with that hiring and them getting a partnership.

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Wrapping back to our conversations on the Gauthier stuff, I'll fully admit that i'm possibly to probably too cynical when it comes to this team and organization but it's only because they've given me/us little to nothing to the positive side in basically a decade plus. Any time that they've seemingly put one step forward they either immediately take one step back or two steps back due to their own incompetency or modus operandi so I just can't give them the benefit of the doubt.

While I didn't view the player in the franchise saving light that the organization seemingly did tied with Michkov. I'm bummed that the player is no longer here. I'll readily admit that i'm biased towards American players so the idea of having a potential American star on the team was exciting to me. Yes, he could have handled himself better over some of the things that have been thrown out there if they turn out to be true but I really don't think he had any obligation to do so as not signing was well within his rights.

With that said, the majority of people saw what Briere said and take his timeline as 95+% fact because that's all they've seen. It's readily out there all over the place. That Inquirer article I only happened to find by chance and I don't really see it talked about anywhere else so it's seemingly going by the wayside. We'll maybe find out one day what actually happened if Gauthier turns into a superstar and he has autobiographies written about him but i'm not holding my breath.

That certainly does seen suspicious af, and in true form to this organisation of the last 20 years. I genuinely hope it's a case of ASF being the moronic dickhead he is trying to fly a rumour out there, but yup. It's not a good look right now.

I get why people are so detached from this franchise, I really do. It's been a trainwreck for so long under 2 or 3 terrible GM's, and even more poor coaching choices.

I think people like yourself need to be aware that those that have shown a little bit of hope under "the new era" are allowed to have that hope until it's proven otherwise. We have all lived through this absolute horseshit for 10 years too, but at the end of the day, the only reason we keep coming back is because there's that little glimmer that things might change.

I'm all on board with calling this franchise out on its bullshit, just like I think the way Torts handles Frost is beyond idiotic. But it does seem that even the positive moves are shit on, or hypothetical situations being held against the team like it's fact (e.g. trading players before we get into the deadline window)

 

[deadhead]

Gauthier speaks (sort of):

“Like I said before, it’s a business. People are going to say things, especially in the situation we are in right now. It’s kind of tough knowing the real reason why and seeing people put all these false statements out there. Not being able to really express what really happened yet. It’s been kind of hard, but it’s also been good, too. A bunch of people have reached out to me.

“That’s the question (that) kind of everyone’s wondering, and the biggest thing I can say right now is I have to keep it to myself, my family and my agent,” Gauthier said. “It’s been a long process in the past handful of months of dealing with this. I don’t think it’s the right time to kind of discuss it. There might be one day where I kind of get into details on what happened. Right now, I want to keep it to a private matter.”

Another aspect of the trade Gauthier sought to dispel is the notion that he didn’t want to play for Flyers coach John Tortorella. He said his interaction with him was positive.

“All those rumors saying I was scared of Torts, that’s not the case at all,” he said. “I’ve had many (tough) coaches throughout my whole life and I think that any coach I will play for would love to have me on their team. I want to do whatever it takes to win. If they’re a hard, yelling, screaming kind of coach, I’ll roll with the punches. I’m never going to disrespect or talk back to a coach. I’m going to give it my all every single shift. That was definitely not the reason why I didn’t want to play in Philly.

“I’ve kind of seen all the rumors going around about Kevin Hayes having his fingerprints on this,” Gauthier said. “I want to clarify that he has nothing to do with this whatsoever. He has absolutely nothing (to do with it). Some of the people who are kind of saying this stuff about his family and stuff like that, (it) is pretty gutless. He has zero fingerprints on this whatsoever.

Gauthier received death threats for not wanting to play for Flyers

"There might be one day where I kind of get into details on what happened," Gauthier said of why he wanted out of Philadelphia.

theathletic.com

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Guys, they can't control anything Gauthier does. It has no relevance to the existing organizational PR. They can only control their reaction to it. Their only job in this case is to not let their feelings get in the way.

The Briere spiel about protecting the player is good. Everyone knows they were protecting themselves, but it doesn't matter. There's no possible negative to framing it that way and there's always the possibility that it matters to someone you have to deal with down the line.

You can also control what state-sponsored media says. That's why you have it. They embarrassed the hell out of you with absolutely nothing to gain other than grinding a personal axe, so they have to go. Period. Briere didn't go on right afterwards, so that's clean. Just get Hilferty under control.

 

[Pet Charles]

I can't believe that STG is honestly nominated for best hockey podcast in the country... at least that's what they keep saying. That seems sus.

Russ, in particular, is insufferable.

I like Rachel Donner and Russ Cohen with their Locked On podcast. No silly rumors. You never want to kick your dog after listening. I listened to it for awhile and one day realized that Russ Cohen was the Russ who would play on my team in a co-ed softball league at Marconi. The weird part is that he's an uncanny doppelganger in appearance, voice, and temperament for an attorney that I work with. Whenever I'm discussing some legal aspect of a project with the colleague, I have this strong desire to ask about North American forward prospects.

I don't know about Russ Joy. If STG is anything like WIP or the Fanatic, I'll just put a radio on static or let an alarm continually go off, thank you.

Edit: He's not a very good softball player, although he did have shoulder problems. Real nice, unassuming guy though.

 

[ponder719]

I can't believe that STG is honestly nominated for best hockey podcast in the country... at least that's what they keep saying. That seems sus.

Russ, in particular, is insufferable.

I can entirely believe it, as long as there's an open nomination process and people who work on the program aren't forbidden from nominating their own show.

 

[Cody Webster]

Gauthier speaks (sort of):

“Like I said before, it’s a business. People are going to say things, especially in the situation we are in right now. It’s kind of tough knowing the real reason why and seeing people put all these false statements out there. Not being able to really express what really happened yet. It’s been kind of hard, but it’s also been good, too. A bunch of people have reached out to me.

“That’s the question (that) kind of everyone’s wondering, and the biggest thing I can say right now is I have to keep it to myself, my family and my agent,” Gauthier said. “It’s been a long process in the past handful of months of dealing with this. I don’t think it’s the right time to kind of discuss it. There might be one day where I kind of get into details on what happened. Right now, I want to keep it to a private matter.”

Another aspect of the trade Gauthier sought to dispel is the notion that he didn’t want to play for Flyers coach John Tortorella. He said his interaction with him was positive.

“All those rumors saying I was scared of Torts, that’s not the case at all,” he said. “I’ve had many (tough) coaches throughout my whole life and I think that any coach I will play for would love to have me on their team. I want to do whatever it takes to win. If they’re a hard, yelling, screaming kind of coach, I’ll roll with the punches. I’m never going to disrespect or talk back to a coach. I’m going to give it my all every single shift. That was definitely not the reason why I didn’t want to play in Philly.

“I’ve kind of seen all the rumors going around about Kevin Hayes having his fingerprints on this,” Gauthier said. “I want to clarify that he has nothing to do with this whatsoever. He has absolutely nothing (to do with it). Some of the people who are kind of saying this stuff about his family and stuff like that, (it) is pretty gutless. He has zero fingerprints on this whatsoever.

Gauthier received death threats for not wanting to play for Flyers

"There might be one day where I kind of get into details on what happened," Gauthier said of why he wanted out of Philadelphia.

theathletic.com

Aka I'm a big self entitled bitch

 

[Rebels57]

I definitely got distracted by his jaw line a few times but I rolled me eyes at some of those quotes. Fletcher ate that shit up I guess.

Scores one PP goal from the ladies tees in the semis and he has the clutch gene lmao. Did he play in the Gold Medal Game?

Yep, he was invisible in the last 2 games right up until that goal at the end of the 3rd. This is not revisionist. We were all talking about it in the thread at the time.

 

[TCTC]

The more I hear and read about/from the guy the more I'm glad he's gone.
He's going to be headache for any team having to deal with him and his agent.

 

[Winston Wolf]

I definitely got distracted by his jaw line a few times but I rolled me eyes at some of those quotes. Fletcher ate that shit up I guess.

Scores one PP goal from the ladies tees in the semis and he has the clutch gene lmao. Did he play in the Gold Medal Game?

He was only noticeable throwing crosschecks when the game was already over and talking shit in the handshake line.

Dude really doesn't realize how much he was born to be a Flyer.

 

[Pet Charles]

The more I hear and read about/from the guy the more I'm glad he's gone.
He's going to be headache for any team having to deal with him and his agent.

I don't know. He is a really good prospect. I guess you're not wrong though because he didn't want to play for the Flyers despite their (reported) repeated attempts to just make contact with the guy. A really good prospect isn't worth anything to you if he won't play for you. That considered, I think Briere handled it really well in terms of return and drama. He read the Bob Clarke playbook and did the opposite.

 

[Rebels57]

Bingo. The kid didn't want to play here for whatever reason - doesn't like the city, doesn't like the coach, contract stuff, doesn't see the vision, was told he's gonna play LW and thinks he can play C -- the reason doesn't matter. He doesn't want to he here.

The Flyers acknowledged that he told them at some point by saying "changing his mind again", and at that point, he doesn't owe them monthly check ins that he does or doesn't want to sign with them. He made his decision, and it was final. He did the right thing afterwards by keeping quiet instead of further hindering the Flyers trade position.

You can say he's a baby for changing his mind, but again, the keganization changes their minds about things all the time. How many times have they given a player a NTC ans asked them to waive it...or traded them before it became valid? Noone seems to care when the organizarion uses the bylaws to their benefit l, but a kid does it and he's an entitled brat. It makes no sense.

Just feels to me like you are viewing this through the "Flyers are usually incompetent so it must be their fault" lens. You're awfully dismissive of his actions. If collegiate prospects "changing their minds" and forcing trades after committing to a team becomes the norm, it is going to have an adverse effect on the competitive balance of the NHL.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Sporting Tribune

thesportingtribune.com

Gauthier also made it clear that he never said that he didn’t want to be a Flyer. He found the rumors that were spreading around to be funny and said he didn’t think he saw one thing that’s been said that was spot-on. “People like to talk and people like to make things up and other people like to listen. I haven’t seen one thing that’s been remotely close to the reasons that I decided.”

“It wasn’t one specific reason why I asked for a trade,” said Gauthier. “It was multiple, re-occurring issues that I’d seen over the past year and a half, two years of being under the Flyers organization. It kind of hit me all at once, thinking ‘I can’t move forward with this’ and ‘I really need to step up for myself and see what’s best for my future’ and that’s what I did.”

For Gauthier, it was difficult to stand by and keep his decision private while the Flyers organization addressed the media with their perspective. It was tough to see what they were saying about him, especially when he felt that some of it was inaccurate. Being on social media at all was difficult as well, with his name plastered across every NHL media network.

 

[Curufinwe]

Just feels to me like you are viewing this through the "Flyers are usually incompetent so it must be their fault" lens. You're awfully dismissive of his actions. If collegiate prospects "changing their minds" and forcing trades after committing to a team becomes the norm, it is going to have an adverse effect on the competitive balance of the NHL.

Even the Coyotes got their college kid signed. I don't foresee this starting a huge trend.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Just feels to me like you are viewing this through the "Flyers are usually incompetent so it must be their fault" lens. You're awfully dismissive of his actions. If prospects "changing their minds" and forcing trades after committing to a team becomes the norm, you can say goodbye to the competitive balance of the NHL.

His actions amount to changing his mind on where he wants to play hockey. He’s not badmouthing anyone. He didn’t even try to force his way to one particular team like Adam Fox did. He just didn’t want to play for the Flyers.

There’s a hard cap. That’s the balancing mechanism. But even more to the point, we have MLB right there as an example. It’s not the Yankees and Mets and Dodgers winning everything. You could abolish the draft and the game would still be fine as long as you got rid of bog standard ELCs too.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Sporting Tribune

thesportingtribune.com

I can't think of anything that happened in the Flyers organization after 7/7/22 that would justify this quote.

“It wasn’t one specific reason why I asked for a trade,” said Gauthier. “It was multiple, re-occurring issues that I’d seen over the past year and a half, two years of being under the Flyers organization. It kind of hit me all at once, thinking ‘I can’t move forward with this’ and ‘I really need to step up for myself and see what’s best for my future’ and that’s what I did.”

 

[GKJ]

The Sporting Tribune

thesportingtribune.com

It was the thing we always figured it was. Imagine that.

 

[FlyerNutter]

So if we go by that, the kid didn’t want to be part of the Flyers development machine, and a questionable FO.

Shocking

 

[Random Forest]

Much like Carter, seeming “invisible” is always going to be a thing with Gauthier, but I still don’t think that’s a concern for the Ducks. He’s not a puck carrier, and he shouldn’t try to be. I don’t know if “time with puck on stick” is a metric that’s tracked, but I would suspect that Gauthier’s number would be low relative to other blue chip players. His chances come from finding soft, low-danger spots and hiding the release point on his shots and passes. He’ll still have success doing that at the NHL level; he really does have an elite release that is going to create high danger opportunities. It’s just a matter of him learning what he can get away with at the NHL level where gaps are smaller. But every elite skill set has to contend with that. I think it’s actually harder for more traditionally “skilled” puck carrier types to translate their skills at the NHL level (see Frost) because NHL defenders are so much better at gapping up and forcing you to make quick reads when your instinct is to hold it.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Don’t worry. His peers are coming to his defense. Post is liked by ASF also.

Alright, now this is just too much.

It was fine when it was just a piece of shit shitting on an even bigger hunk of crap for shit reporting.

But now an even bigger turd drops in from the top rope to try and defend the hunk of crap?

Who’s writing this script?!?

 

[Jettany]

Aka I'm a big self entitled bitch

Almost sounds like they are going to take in all the comments and at some point put out a well scripted narrative.

Its weird he didn’t choose where he would be traded just he wanted nothing to do with Philly.
Also, read comments here, he could care less about talking to Leclair and Sharp. That’s old dinosaur thinking by the organization. Yet he raved about Pat Verbeeks time in the league.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't know how this Drysdale thing will work (perfectly, like all the org does, I'm certain) but I know I'm glad I don't have to worry about this.

I've been saying "he sure shoots from the moon, but maybe he does that because it works and he will adjust when he needs to." Now I'd be thinking "he sure shoots from the moon, and he is certain that's best." Not what I'd consider an adaptable mindset, but it isn't our problem now.

I don't know how I didn't immediately place the source of my strong aversion to that quote..but it's Provorov. This is the way Provorov thought.

I was fairly terrified of the way the team seemed all in on this dude relative to what he was showing on the ice. Regardless of my concerns about Drysdale's quality and upside and health, that quote makes me way more relieved to not go through the Provorov thing again while saving the team from thinking this rebuild was all wrapped up.

 

[Starat327]

Just feels to me like you are viewing this through the "Flyers are usually incompetent so it must be their fault" lens. You're awfully dismissive of his actions. If collegiate prospects "changing their minds" and forcing trades after committing to a team becomes the norm, it is going to have an adverse effect on the competitive balance of the NHL.

No, I'm looking at this through the lens of the fact that it's unlikely a kid whose dream is to play in thr nhl, is a top draft pick, just decided he didn't want to play for the Flyers on a whim.

I have a hard time believing he woke up one day and just said "you know what. f*** them guys." I'll admit it's possible, but doesn't seem likely. I have to think something caused a deterioration, and it could have been both parties, I don't know.

What my issue is is this backlash that he's not allowed to make this call. Does it suck for us? Sure. But again, I have a hard time thinking it was something simple that made him say he wasn't going to sign here, but it could be.

I also take issue in general with the notion that just because the Flyers drafted him he has to be 100% loyal to them. It's a job and he should have a say - to aome degree - in where he does and doesn't want to work.