Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

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[Pet Charles]

That's correct. It's actually his entry-level contract because it's the one he entered the NHL with, as a player under 26 years of age.

Do you have any comment on the difference between a player signed under Article 9 and one signed under Article 10, or the overall difference between all the things a team needs to consider for 5th overall pick compared to an AHL goaltender?

Edit: You're right, Curufinwe. My mistake. But still - any thoughts on the differences? I can appreciate technical corrections, because I wasn't correct, but to be fair here, the theme of the comment (Lyon and Gauthier couldn't be two more different prospects) wasn't addressed in either of your comments.

 

[deadhead]

Is it though? The only thing we have besides "I don't know" is speculation from Friedman and "it was a private family matter" from the Gauthier camp.

The Flyers camp: "I don't know, he wouldn't tell us why or even engage in conversation."

Cutters camp: "It was a private family matter."

Friedman: "I wonder if it had to do with them not burning a year of his ELC, possibly due to cap overages, plus not being guaranteed a roster spot."



They added Krajicek mid-season, but he stunk.

The reflexive blaming is silly, the onus is on Cutter and his family - they could have sat down for an hour with Briere and Jones, cleared the air, determined the situation couldn't be fixed and everyone moves on. Instead this weird radio silence as if Cutter is a criminal defendant wary of any statement that might indict him.

 

[Amorgus]

I think the most surprising thing after reading through this thread and the main board thread that there are still people who care enough about this garbage team to make death threats.

 

[freakydallas13]

The reflexive blaming is silly, the onus is on Cutter and his family - they could have sat down for an hour with Briere and Jones, cleared the air, determined the situation couldn't be fixed and everyone moves on. Instead this weird radio silence as if Cutter is a criminal defendant wary of any statement that might indict him.

Not that I disagree necessarily, but "reflexive blaming is silly" followed by reflexively blaming Gauthier sure is a stance.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

That's correct. It's actually his entry-level contract because it's the one he entered the NHL with, as a player under 26 years of age.

Do you have any comment on the difference between a player signed under Article 9 and one signed under Article 10, or the overall difference between all the things a team needs to consider for 5th overall pick compared to an AHL goaltender?

Edit: You're right, Curufinwe. My mistake. But still - any thoughts on the differences? I can appreciate technical corrections, because I wasn't correct, but to be fair here, the theme of the comment (Lyon and Gauthier couldn't be two more different prospects) wasn't addressed in either of your comments.

The idea behind the entire thing of burning a year of these ELC’s is to get one year closer to where there’s no set limitation to what they can be paid. Is there a difference between what someone like Lyon would be paid after a year compared to Gauthier with their pedigree? Of course.

Lyon was not able to sign a contract under Article 10 because of his age. So that’s the difference.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The reflexive blaming is silly, the onus is on Cutter and his family - they could have sat down for an hour with Briere and Jones, cleared the air, determined the situation couldn't be fixed and everyone moves on. Instead this weird radio silence as if Cutter is a criminal defendant wary of any statement that might indict him.

Please read this out loud to yourself.

 

[Jettany]

Of course Barnaby would feel this way. He is the type of player that the organization and caveman fans drool over.

It's the skill guys that people turn on.

i watched a lot of clips from this whole episode on TSN and sportsnet They have really ramped up the hype that Gauthier is a generational talent to dump on the flyers. But basically every show and commentator said that it is a prime destination for players. How they are treated, the facilities, the bond with community. Just a class Organization. This is bizarre.

Only thing that confuses me… if this is about money and money purely. Why go back to Bc? He cost himself a year of pay?

Thought the same thing. And really caring that much about it without saying it is the end of the road, non-negotiable point from the get go to Briere is strange.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

i watched a lot of clips from this whole episode on TSN and sportsnet They have really ramped up the hype that Gauthier is a generational talent to dump on the flyers. But basically every show and commentator said that it is a prime destination for players. How they are treated, the facilities, the bond with community. Just a class Organization. This is bizarre.

Thought the same thing. And really caring that much about it without saying it is the end of the road, non-negotiable point from the get go to Briere is strange.

I refuse to believe NIL money is gonna significantly bridge the gap to 900k?

 

[deadhead]

Where did this generational talent thing come from? Hughes, Bedard, Makar are generational talents.
Gauthier is six months younger than Brink was when he led the NCAA in scoring and took Denver to the national championship.
I mean he's a solid prospect, should be a solid LW, but that's a far cry from "generational talent."

 

[Beef Invictus]

Where did this generational talent thing come from? Hughes, Bedard, Makar are generational talents.
Gauthier is six months younger than Brink was when he led the NCAA in scoring and took Denver to the national championship.
I mean he's a solid prospect, should be a solid LW, but that's a far cry from "generational talent."

It came from the deep anti-Flyers bias that runs rampant through hockeydom. A lot of people are still VERY angry that the Flyers were mean in the 70s. A lot of people raised their kids to revile them too. Philadelphia are seen as blasphemers who defiled the sport and thus misfortune must be amplified and celebrated.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Only thing that confuses me… if this is about money and money purely. Why go back to Bc? He cost himself a year of pay?

It would be about getting to RFA and UFA status earlier in that situation rather than a money in pocket thing if that actually was the sticking point.

Not signing last March delayed that for him and maybe he took it as a slight from the organization for not following their alleged word.

I imagine Cutter will sign with the Ducks at the conclusion of BC’s season and the Ducks will be fine burning his year so in terms of future contracts there’s no difference between signing with the Flyers in the offseason last year and signing with the Ducks in March or April (if BC gets to the Frozen Four).

 

[usahockey22flyers]

It would be about getting to RFA and UFA status earlier in that situation rather than a money in pocket thing if that actually was the sticking point.

Not signing last March delayed that for him and maybe he took it as a slight from the organization for not following their alleged word.

I imagine Cutter will sign with the Ducks at the conclusion of BC’s season and the Ducks will be fine burning his year so in terms of future contracts there’s no difference between signing with the Flyers in the offseason last year and signing with the Ducks in March or April (if BC gets to the Frozen Four).

The only difference is 900k I guess

 

[landsbergfan]

 

[Jettany]

Where did this generational talent thing come from? Hughes, Bedard, Makar are generational talents.
Gauthier is six months younger than Brink was when he led the NCAA in scoring and took Denver to the national championship.
I mean he's a solid prospect, should be a solid LW, but that's a far cry from "generational talent."

He wasn’t considered that until the trade. Excellent prospect by some a possible disappointment by others. Either dumping on Flyers or the media being the media. Something they can drag out for awhile.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The only difference is 900k I guess

Pretty much but as we've discussed elsewhere he'd likely get that back one way or another but... the deed was done.

Who knows what really happened here though but I don't think there's a lack of plausible reasons out there for why someone born in 2004 wouldn't want to sign with the Flyers.

 

[deadhead]

Plus, leaving college early would almost cement his position as a LW, staying in college at center gave him a chance to show he should stay there (I'd say the jury is still out, and Anaheim seems to see him as a LW). Since he's worth $1-2M more if he can handle center, it's a risk/reward thang.

 

[Starat327]

The reflexive blaming is silly, the onus is on Cutter and his family - they could have sat down for an hour with Briere and Jones, cleared the air, determined the situation couldn't be fixed and everyone moves on. Instead this weird radio silence as if Cutter is a criminal defendant wary of any statement that might indict him.

Holy f*** this is rich.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

At least we have noted hockey figures Zack Rinaldo and Mathew Barnaby in our corner.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I too enjoy this "he's not a center" thing that has also only came up after the trade. You're kidding yourself if you don't think the Flyers were going to do everything within their power to have him be a Center.

But hey, Briere twisted the knife by calling him a LW so that's 100% what the plan they had for him was.

 

[Jettany]

It came from the deep anti-Flyers bias that runs rampant through hockeydom. A lot of people are still VERY angry that the Flyers were mean in the 70s. A lot of people raised their kids to revile them too. Philadelphia are seen as blasphemers who defiled the sport and thus misfortune must be amplified and celebrated.

The ”big bad Bruins” were fine. When out gunned by the expansion upstart “bullies” that was where the line needed to be drawn.

 

[Starat327]

Is it though? The only thing we have besides "I don't know" is speculation from Friedman and "it was a private family matter" from the Gauthier camp.

The Flyers camp: "I don't know, he wouldn't tell us why or even engage in conversation."

Cutters camp: "It was a private family matter."

Friedman: "I wonder if it had to do with them not burning a year of his ELC, possibly due to cap overages, plus not being guaranteed a roster spot."



They added Krajicek mid-season, but he stunk.

The Flyers are absolutely spinning this as he didnt want to be here, which we dont know to be the case (example A below).

We know he didnt want to sign here after some time, but that may or may not have had anything to do with Philadelphia itself, instead about what may have been promised to him behind the scenes that the Flyers certainly won't divulge, and neither will thr Gauthier camp, unfortunately.

The Flyers have a shitty track record of mismanagement, so while thay doesn't exonerate Cutter, I know who I'm more willing to believe.

 

[wankstifier]

What happened there? Did he refuse to shake hands?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

4. Someone who purposely cuts themselves out of a sense of self-loathing



The Flyers are doing a full court media press about Cutter rejecting the Flyers when it seems to be very clear there's a lot more that happened here.

I sont blame him one bit. It's unfortunate that we'll never get his side of the story here because of the ol' boys club that is hockey, but is love to hear his side somehow.

I'm absolutely living the irony of our twitter "media" types slagging on him like a week after they were crying about how mean everybody was to Bonk.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What happened there? Did he refuse to shake hands?

 

[Jettany]

I too enjoy this "he's not a center" thing that has also only came up after the trade. You're kidding yourself if you don't think the Flyers were going to do everything within their power to have him be a Center.

But hey, Briere twisted the knife by calling him a LW so that's 100% what the plan they had for him was.

It seems that was the furtherest thing from their mind for a long while now.