Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[BritainStix]

The only one I can remember where the team was involved and not fans were the Isles, and even then, thays a one time thing.

The Flyers seemingly do this with every player. There was Ghost stuff when he left, you have thr Cutter stuff, and then, on par in terms of awfulness with Cutters stuff was the Hextall "pizza" posts.

The organization caters its messaging to the Neanderthals and sadly it works here. At least they get something "right" I guess.

I think that might just be a bias we have because we are more invested in Philly, and as such the media and hype around the team. It's certainly a dumb thing to do.

I remember Buffalo going pretty scorched earth on Eichel when he asked for a trade. All the stuff came out about him refusing treatment, wanting his own doctors, refusing to do team events etc. Even when he left, there was real bitter blood between them.

 

[Starat327]

I think that might just be a bias we have because we are more invested in Philly, and as such the media and hype around the team. It's certainly a dumb thing to do.

I remember Buffalo going pretty scorched earth on Eichel when he asked for a trade. All the stuff came out about him refusing treatment, wanting his own doctors, refusing to do team events etc. Even when he left, there was real bitter blood between them.

Right, but thays leaking media stories, etc. Dodgy, sure. But at least they can claim it wasn't them.

The Flyers own official accounts and management throw shade at these people. Be a professional organization.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Only thing that confuses me… if this is about money and money purely. Why go back to Bc? He cost himself a year of pay?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Right, but thays leaking media stories, etc. Dodgy, sure. But at least they can claim it wasn't them.

The Flyers own official accounts and management throw shade at these people. Be a professional organization.

They did it to Giroux which is abominable.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

And the high stick? And game 1…. Late powerplay for Isles to tie it, OT powerplay to win it. When the whistles were normally put away in the 3rd and OT.

Denis Potvin with the high stick goal. Game 7 was to be at the Spectrum, and it was practically a foregone conclusion there was no way the Flyers were going to lose at home that year.

I'm getting verklempt all over again.

 

[Starat327]

They did it to Giroux which is abominable.

I've blocked this out mentally as I refuse to believe an organization would be so classless to do this to their best player. But yeah.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

 

[DancingPanther]

I've blocked this out mentally as I refuse to believe an organization would be so classless to do this to their best player. But yeah.

Best player *ever need I remind you

No Phillies?

 

[Starat327]

Best player *ever need I remind you


No Phillies?

I assumed that was implicit buy yes, best player ever.

 

[Curufinwe]

Did anyone else notice just how happy Jamie Drysdale was in his interview? He was beaming, he was so happy. I don't know why, but it stuck with me how happy he was. Do you think maybe he also wanted out of Anaheim?

He had a huge battle with the GM over his contract. Whenever that happens, the player seems to get moved later on. Verbeek, of course, denies that it affected his decision to trade Drysdale.

Cutter Gauthier's 'top-6 talent' made it easier for the Ducks to trade Jamie Drysdale

The Ducks, excited about their future on the blue line, believe Gauthier will fill an important long-term role up front.

theathletic.com

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Flyers nearly killed a player through their negligence before & still convinced a good proportion of the media & fanbase that the said player was the bad guy in the whole situation.

 

[Curufinwe]

I honestly didn’t even know it until like yesterday but apparently Cutter is his middle name. His real full name is William Cutter Gauthier.

Slick Willy!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Flyers nearly killed a player through their negligence before & still convinced a good proportion of the media & fanbase that the said player was the bad guy in the whole situation.

Yeah but he was soft because he didn’t rub some dirt on his head and get back out there.

It’s really tragic that he played in that era instead of now with all we know. That and if they reacted the same way they did to the lung the ridicule would have led to them truly cleaning house.

 

[Pet Charles]

I also do love that this happened after the entire organization self-fellated over how they handled Ed Snider's birthday game.

Ed Snider would have Rambo'd the entire front office after hearing Gauthier wouldn't sign in Philadelphia... more appropriately, Snider never would have allowed it to get to that point in the first place.

You mean like the way he stepped in between Clarke and the Lindroses to prevent that situation from going off the rails? Ed would have been leading the parade in "wishing him well" with his new life. I'm sure he would have totally supported an amateur 19-year-old coming in and demanding the Flyers sign him and have him play 10 games so he could erase one of his ELC years (if that was his rationale; we're all left to assume Cutter Gauthier's intentions because he seems unable to speak to either the Flyers or anyone else).

 

[deadhead]

I truly believe Cutter can be a 50G guy without a doubt. I just don’t see Drysdale as a #1D anymore, I’m sorry.

What in his career so far makes you think that?
He's been solid, but when has he played that far above his peers?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeah but he was soft because he didn’t rub some dirt on his head and get back out there.

It’s really tragic that he played in that era instead of now with all we know. That and if they reacted the same way they did to the lung the ridicule would have led to them truly cleaning house.

It’s not even necessarily just a Flyers. The hockey world in general compared to the other major sports has a cattle mentality on steroids in regards to the players. For the longest time hockey players just took whatever hand they were dealt even amongst some of the shittiest situations but seemingly these new generations are seeing things for what they are & using their voices/leverage now. That’s not to say all situations are righteous causes but I’ll take the bad with the good if it’s not just always one sided anymore.

The NHL establishment needs some pressure because for the longest time they ran amok with no questions asked.

 

[Tripod]

Of course Barnaby would feel this way. He is the type of player that the organization and caveman fans drool over.

It's the skill guys that people turn on.

 

[Jettany]

Yeah, the Isles went turbo if I remember correctly. Which was quite reasonable when Tavaras basically strung them along like a high school crush.

They did. Told Snow not to trade him at deadline. Fired Snow and hoped Lou would change his mind. Both were not pleased. Basically said he didn’t want to play here we need to move on. At least he hit ufa. This whole thing is bizarre.

 

[Rebels57]

They threw away both those games in Chicago. Game 2, Lavy puts Bartulis and Kraijcek on a d-zone draw late in the second and immediately gets burned on the second goal in less than a minute.

Just like having a healthy Emery over Leighton, adding a quality defensemen at the deadline would have made a huge difference. Had they been a lock for the Playoffs, I assume they would have.

 

[Pet Charles]

Lyon got the Flyers to burn a year of his ELC without him playing a single game.

Alex Lyon? Lyon never signed an ELC with anyone. He was a 10.2(c) player. (Thanks, Cap Friendly.) They did let the pro-rated amount of $925,000 "burn" in the first year of his two-year contract (he signed in April), but it's an apples to battleships comparison with Gauthier. Lyon was (unfortunately) never going to make anything close to what Gauthier will make in even his first ELC (something around $3.5M/yr), so what did it matter if they burned a contract year? He was an AHL goalie who served a role, something every organization needs. They weren't going to suddenly have to pay him $5M in a future year.

(Not directing this next part at you, just doing more rationalizing.) As I just wrote in a previous post, we're all left to guess at Cutter Gauthier's intentions and reasons. At the end of the day, I assume the Flyers inability to sign him in post-deadline March 2023 was due to a lack of cap space and not the ELC slide. That is, I don't think they were trying to play 7-dimension chess with their top prospect. They had no cap room and no reasonable ability from the deadline in 2023 until the end of the cap year to create it. An ELC slide is not necessarily a problem for a player like Gauthier, primarily because he can expect to be more productive in his Draft+4 year (the last year of an ELC that had a slide year) than he would in his D+3 year, thus justifying a demand for more money in that second contract - and so on. So even though I assume he was mad at the Flyers and that's why he went completely quiet, maybe it was something else. Maybe he didn't want to wear orange and black (joke's on you, Cutter). Maybe he hates the Beatles and didn't care for Briere's resemblance to their bassist. Maybe he's actually a mute. Maybe he saw the dysfunction at the time and didn't want any part of it (although Briere and Fletcher are very different). We don't know, but I don't feel bad for making reasonable assumptions as long as he's quiet about it.

Edit: Note that if the cap space ended up being the reason, the root once again of problems for the organization goes back to Chuck Fletcher and those who allowed him to continue in that role. The simple inability to move JVR's $7M cap hit, even eating half, would have been enough room. We could have gotten Fletcher-ed, again.

 

[GKJ]

Just like having a healthy Emery over Leighton, adding a quality defensemen at the deadline would have made a huge difference. Had they been a lock for the Playoffs, I assume they would have.

They didn’t have cap space to do any of that. They also ran themselves low on assets.

 

[Rebels57]

4. Someone who purposely cuts themselves out of a sense of self-loathing



The Flyers are doing a full court media press about Cutter rejecting the Flyers when it seems to be very clear there's a lot more that happened here.

I sont blame him one bit. It's unfortunate that we'll never get his side of the story here because of the ol' boys club that is hockey, but is love to hear his side somehow.

Is it though? The only thing we have besides "I don't know" is speculation from Friedman and "it was a private family matter" from the Gauthier camp.

The Flyers camp: "I don't know, he wouldn't tell us why or even engage in conversation."

Cutters camp: "It was a private family matter."

Friedman: "I wonder if it had to do with them not burning a year of his ELC, possibly due to cap overages, plus not being guaranteed a roster spot."

They didn’t have cap space to do any of that. They also ran themselves low on assets.

They added Krajicek mid-season, but he stunk.

 

[GKJ]

Is it though? The only thing we have besides "I don't know" is speculation from Friedman and "it was a private family matter" from the Gauthier camp.

The Flyers camp: "I don't know, he wouldn't tell us why or even engage in conversation."

Cutters camp: "It was a private family matter."

Friedman: "I wonder if it had to do with them not burning a year of his ELC, possibly due to cap overages, plus not being guaranteed a roster spot."



They added Krajicek mid-season, but he stunk.

Yeah, he had just been outright released.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Alex Lyon? Lyon never signed an ELC with anyone. He was a 10.2(c) player. (Thanks, Cap Friendly.) They did let the pro-rated amount of $925,000 "burn" in the first year of his two-year contract (he signed in April), but it's an apples to battleships comparison with Gauthier. Lyon was (unfortunately) never going to make anything close to what Gauthier will make in even his first ELC (something around $3.5M/yr), so what did it matter if they burned a contract year? He was an AHL goalie who served a role, something every organization needs. They weren't going to suddenly have to pay him $5M in a future year.

(Not directing this next part at you, just doing more rationalizing.) As I just wrote in a previous post, we're all left to guess at Cutter Gauthier's intentions and reasons. At the end of the day, I assume the Flyers inability to sign him in post-deadline March 2023 was due to a lack of cap space and not the ELC slide. That is, I don't think they were trying to play 7-dimension chess with their top prospect. They had no cap room and no reasonable ability from the deadline in 2023 until the end of the cap year to create it. An ELC slide is not necessarily a problem for a player like Gauthier, primarily because he can expect to be more productive in his Draft+4 year (the last year of an ELC that had a slide year) than he would in his D+3 year, thus justifying a demand for more money in that second contract - and so on. So even though I assume he was mad at the Flyers and that's why he went completely quiet, maybe it was something else. Maybe he didn't want to wear orange and black (joke's on you, Cutter). Maybe he hates the Beatles and didn't care for Briere's resemblance to their bassist. Maybe he's actually a mute. Maybe he saw the dysfunction at the time and didn't want any part of it (although Briere and Fletcher are very different). We don't know, but I don't feel bad for making reasonable assumptions as long as he's quiet about it.

Edit: Note that if the cap space ended up being the reason, the root once again of problems for the organization goes back to Chuck Fletcher and those who allowed him to continue in that role. The simple inability to move JVR's $7M cap hit, even eating half, would have been enough room. We could have gotten Fletcher-ed, again.

 

[Curufinwe]

Alex Lyon? Lyon never signed an ELC with anyone. He was a 10.2(c) player. (Thanks, Cap Friendly.)

That's incorrect. He signed a 2-year ELC with the Flyers on 4/5/2016 he was 23 years old, and he didn't turn 24 until December of that year.

10.2(c) was his status when his ELC expired.

How do Entry-Level Contracts Work?​

Players younger than 25 (28 if they are considered a European player) years of age, as of September 15 during the year of their first NHL contract must sign an entry-level contract (ELC).

Entry-level contracts have set limitations:

• All ELCs are two-way contracts
• The maximum allowable salary is determined by the respective player's draft year. Please see the Maximum Entry-Level Compensation summary for futher details on maximum compensation.

The length of the entry-level contract is also dependent on the player’s age:

• 18-21 years of age: 3 years
• 22-23 years of age: 2 years
• 24 years of age (and up to 27 years of age for European players): 1 year