Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[wankstifier]

Because he knows Zegras from the Michigan controversy. I doubt he knew Drysdale from a hole in the wall. Supposedly, he watched tape on him before the trade and his takeaway was he needs to teach him how to defend.

It's not the profile he'd covet. So buckle in, I guess? But maybe Drysdale will ask to wrestle Tortorella in his office and all bets are off.

I'm on the edge of my seat! I don't know how Tortorella will survive Drysdale and later Michkov. Heads are gonna butt

 

[Magua]

Do you genuinely believe Anaheim would have taken Gauthier for Zegras straight up though? Because I'm pretty certain they wouldn't.

Between age and salary and rumors Zegras is on the block? Yes, I do. If they value quality first, they're not doing better than a 19 year old 5th overall pick with a WJC hype train behind him, who I've been told ad nauseam has star potential.

I want to be clear: I would've taken Zellweger over Drysdale. You can make the argument over Zegras.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Drysdale is an example where playing early did not help development.

Andrae simply didn't look ready when he played early this season, and he hasn't exactly burned up the AHL. He'll probably come up after the TDL when they move out some people.

In the AHL you usually have 4-5 days between games on the weekends, so coaches can spend time on drills, etc. and not just run practices to get ready for the next game. That's why it's a "development" league. It's rare in the NHL to be able to spend a couple days working on fundamentals or improving execution.

And bringing a player along slowly often makes sense, Zamula has gradually improved as the season progresses, partially b/c he isn't playing with a LHD on his right side, but also b/c he needed time to speed up his decision making. The third pair is less pressure and better matchups while he learns on the job.

Flyers shouldn't be trying to rush a young player to fill a hole to try and make the playoffs, they should be tailoring a timeline for each player depending on their progress.

He played for Eakins.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

So I guess Zamula would be the odd man out? Because we could never do that to legends like Seeler and Staal.
I don’t think there is any chance they trade Risto.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Totally agree with everything posted here. I took a break this season from HFboards, and it's genuinely been fun watching this team most nights. Just flat out enjoying the games and not waiting for the next statement about how the bottom line sucks, how much Torts kills children, or how the front office are assholes.

I raised this a few years back and got shot down. But it's literally the reason that so many flyers fans don't post here. When you mooch around the main boards there are so many more fans with flyers logos than you see here. This place also has an absolutely stinking rep on pretty much every other board or sub Reddit for its constant negativity.

I came here after the trade and read through a couple of posts and I want to hang myself. It's literally non stop. It's just a constant circle jerk of flat out effort trolling by people like Deadhead, and the same rehashed put downs about the team.

There's no valid discussion here anymore like there was in the Richards Era. I mean f***, there's only like 5 threads that are even active.

Yeah, it’s almost taken on a tribal or ideological thing with no nuance- you are either with us or against us. “You aren’t complaining about Torts in every post? You’re a Torts bootlicker”, “you’re showing some optimism, ambivalence, or saying let’s see how things go? You’re a bootlicker of the organization”


It has the feel when politics get too strong a hold on a non political site and the middle ground disappears and users are pulled strongly to sides and become extremely biased

 

[Larry44]

Hathaway is trash. He's bad. Independent of who he is playing with, he as an individual has played like a steaming idiot. He has perhaps, maybe, 3 competent passes all season.

They play bottom line minutes. Let's give those minutes to something with upside. They could even actually play more minutes and relieve the load on the top line, too.

I need to list young players on the Phantoms? You need me to do that? You require that? You cannot think of any of them yourself? You cannot imagine Allison, or Laczynski, or not benching Brink, or Lycksell, or seeing how real Tuomaala is? That needs to be explicitly stated for you when I say there is no upside to playing those washed up slugs over prospects, of which we have several options?

If teams want Ristolainen then he should be gone. Why is he still here? Give him away. If anyone wants that contract leap at the opportunity to clear it. If you can do it without taking a loss that's a win.

Staal should never have been signed, should not be playing ever. Seeler should have been traded at the last deadline. Walker should be gone by now too. And Laughton, who peaked last year and is trashing his value currently.

There. Plenty of spots opened after getting some returns and moving the team forward in an actual rebuilding fashion. Easy.

The Flyers don't do it because they don't want to. Sorry if this is too negative for you, good luck reconciling your positivity with the team missing the playoffs again, and with nothing changing for years to come. You'll eventually figure this out.

Agree on all counts. Trade Walker, Seeler, Risto, Staal, Laughton, Hathaway, Deslauriers and Farabee if he's in demand for a fair value. Bring up all the kids. See what they have and what they need 2-3 years from now. I even have a tag line: #FlyersTakingStock

 

[Beef Invictus]

So, do we have any consensus understanding of the timeline here?

Bad

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

I need to list young players on the Phantoms? You need me to do that? You require that? You cannot think of any of them yourself? You cannot imagine Allison, or Laczynski, or not benching Brink, or Lycksell, or seeing how real Tuomaala is? That needs to be explicitly stated for you when I say there is no upside to playing those washed up slugs over prospects, of which we have several options?

Allison and Laczynski are both 26. They were both drafted EIGHT years ago. Is there a reason we're treating them like mismanaged youth right now?

 

[freakydallas13]

Number of top 5 picks refusing to sign with the Oilers, Coyotes, and Sabres combined: 0

Number of top 5 picks refusing to sign with the Flyers: 1


Thank God we aren't those other franchises!

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Number of top 5 picks refusing to sign with the Oilers, Coyotes, and Sabres combined: 0

Number of top 5 picks refusing to sign with the Flyers: 1


Thank God we aren't those other franchises!

I just think Cutter is a entitled prick.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sigh. You totally missed the point, flew right over your head. Which isn't surprised given your history in ducking questions about your statements.

It's not my fault I give you good answers and you don't like them.

You acted like our negativity is unreasonable and unjustified. The team keeps justifying it. What else am I supposed to answer?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

There’s a whole lot of whining and criticizing of people’s posting styles going on in here and it’s not coming from the people that are the ones that “have a bad rep.”

Also, the reason there’s no valid discussion here like when Richards was here is because the team was good during those days. It’s been a almost a decade and a half since the Flyers were relevant. What does one expect? Dare I say, sunshine and rainbows?

 

[ajgoal]

Rational people aren’t here right now for the flyers, they’re here for the other posters they have become internet friends with, to shit talk, and the non hockey or non flyers stuff.

Who are you and what have you done with Defect?

 

[renberg]

Who do we have in the Phantoms that should realistically be playing over the current squad?

That’s a difficult question to answer. The clown show that Lappy is running makes it hard to get an honest read on what potential some of these guys have. I’d suspect that a motivated Allison could bring more to the table than Deslauriers or Atkinson. You can see that sending him to LV this season crushed him. The same is true of Desnoyers. His play has regressed. Attard sitting down there while Staal gets NHL minutes is just wrong. We’re back to the who marinating guys in the A. That’s fine if they’re being coached up. That’s not going on.

 

[deadhead]

Agree on all counts. Trade Walker, Seeler, Risto, Staal, Laughton, Hathaway, Deslauriers and Farabee if he's in demand for a fair value. Bring up all the kids. See what they have and what they need 2-3 years from now. I even have a tag line: #FlyersTakingStock

Why would you trade Farabee? He's 23 and leading the league in 5x5 pp/60 despite a rotating cast of centers? You gonna get someone better with what you obtain for him?

I think most of those players will be moved this spring and summer, Briere should be patient, no one at LHV needs to play in the NHL right now (Desnoyers, Tuomaala and Samson aren't NHL ready). If they trade some players at the TDL, Laczynski, Allison, Attard, can fill holes and audition for next year's team. Wait for the best offer, meanwhile keep competing for a PO spot, it's good experience for young players and maintains the value of trade bait.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Allison and Laczynski are both 26. They were both drafted EIGHT years ago. Is there a reason we're treating them like mismanaged youth right now?

Because they've been mismanaged their entire careers?

 

[GKJ]

Had to do a lot of driving today so heard Toronto radio (missed Charlie O though). Consensus is that Cutter was within his rights to not want to sign, his big mistake was ghosting them at the WJC. Most think the Flyers 'did some good business' in getting Drysdale and a 2nd, most thought a straight up deal would do. Other astounding thing was that a nobody executive like Hilferty actually went after a player publicly like that. Clown show continues.

Time to move on.

Hilferty just doing what Mr. Snider would do.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There’s a whole lot of whining and criticizing of people’s posting styles going on in here and it’s not coming from the people that are the ones that “have a bad rep.”

Also, the reason there’s no valid discussion here like when Richards was here is because the team was good during those days. It’s been a almost a decade and a half since the Flyers were relevant. What does one expect? Dare I say, sunshine and rainbows?

Truly we are wretched and awful for not having blind faith in a team that has changed nothing.

 

[BritainStix]

Hathaway is trash. He's bad. Independent of who he is playing with, he as an individual has played like a steaming idiot. He has perhaps, maybe, 3 competent passes all season.

They play bottom line minutes. Let's give those minutes to something with upside. They could even actually play more minutes and relieve the load on the top line, too.

I need to list young players on the Phantoms? You need me to do that? You require that? You cannot think of any of them yourself? You cannot imagine Allison, or Laczynski, or not benching Brink, or Lycksell, or seeing how real Tuomaala is? That needs to be explicitly stated for you when I say there is no upside to playing those washed up slugs over prospects, of which we have several options?

If teams want Ristolainen then he should be gone. Why is he still here? Give him away. If anyone wants that contract leap at the opportunity to clear it. If you can do it without taking a loss that's a win.

Staal should never have been signed, should not be playing ever. Seeler should have been traded at the last deadline. Walker should be gone by now too. And Laughton, who peaked last year and is trashing his value currently.

There. Plenty of spots opened after getting some returns and moving the team forward in an actual rebuilding fashion. Easy.

The Flyers don't do it because they don't want to. Sorry if this is too negative for you, good luck reconciling your positivity with the team missing the playoffs again, and with nothing changing for years to come. You'll eventually figure this out.

Finally, we're getting some answers.

Hathaway isn't trash, he's a bottom line player that is particularly good on the PK and who put up pretty regular numbers on that Caps team. It's not his fault he's stapled to the rotting bag of piss.

So we're going to bring up Lykcsell or Tuomaala, both of whom are starting to look good playing top line minutes in the A. Were going to take those guys and play them 5 minutes a night? Wasn't rushing Tuomaala into the AHL in the first place what tanked his early career?

Oh no wait, you said they could take time from the top line, to rest them. The top line that's averaging 19 minutes a game? Doesn't seem like they are being overloaded to me. Seems like they aren't playing as much as they should considering there's likely a 40 goal scorer there. Why are we reducing our best players ice time to play 4th liners?

For the record, I'd love to see literally anyone play over Nic Deslauriers. That includes Nate f***face Thompson.

Why hasn't Risto been traded if teams want him? Because they don't have the cap space. Are you new to this? He becomes a viable option at the deadline where his cap can be absorbed. The closer to the deadline we trade him, the less cap hit he takes up. He's overpaid massively, but like Cuck Fletcher, dumb GMs do dumb things. This is the only year in which he hasn't looked like a complete bag of shit on the back end. Torts has managed to make him look not so terrible. If Briere can get a taker without losing any value, that's a huge win.

Seeler and Walker have had their trade value skyrocket as a pair. If you don't believe that, then you are straight up lying to yourself. Again, they are more valuable at the deadline, as stated above. There were rumours that we could be looking at a first rounder for the pair from the same team. Big win if it comes off.

Sorry if this is all new to you, maybe you will demonstrate some original thoughts and not constantly join in with the blind hatred of anything this org does for imaginary karma points, or whatever likes are registered as.

 

[Adtar02]

It appears cutter wanted to burn a year of elc last spring and the flyers didn’t.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That’s a difficult question to answer. The clown show that Lappy is running makes it hard to get an honest read on what potential some of these guys have. I’d suspect that a motivated Allison could bring more to the table than Deslauriers or Atkinson. You can see that sending him to LV this season crushed him. The same is true of Desnoyers. His play has regressed. Attard sitting down there while Staal gets NHL minutes is just wrong. We’re back to the who marinating guys in the A. That’s fine if they’re being coached up. That’s not going on.

Rotating all of them through is more productive than ceaseless devotion to Deslauriers or Hathaway.

 

[Laveuglette]

That doesn't even closely resemble anything I've said. Are Mods meant to throw strawman arguments around here? Because that one is flat out embarrassing.

It's pretty common. There's a huge circlejerk on this board that includes multiple mods. All they do is complain all the time and use strawman arguments at people who try to argue otherwise. This board has become a pain to read.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Every article I've seen valued Drysdale higher than Zellweger.

Who was ranking third year NHLers on the same axis as prospects? I'm not saying it didn't happen. I don't understand what the point of an article would be where those things are compared. Is this an Under 25 style piece?

I mean, we're talking about a 5'9" former 2nd rounder and a 6OA consensus top Defenseman in his draft class. The lag on any possibility of one passing the other in a mainstream hockey article is going to be breathtaking.

 

[freakydallas13]

I just think Cutter is a entitled prick.

That may be true, but it doesn't make what I said any less true.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Finally, we're getting some answers.

Hathaway isn't trash, he's a bottom line player that is particularly good on the PK and who put up pretty regular numbers on that Caps team. It's not his fault he's stapled to the rotting bag of piss.

He is literally bad. I have no idea what you are watching. He is almost as bad individually as Deslauriers. The Caps let him go for a reason, and it's because he's not the guy he was.

So we're going to bring up Lykcsell or Tuomaala, both of whom are starting to look good playing top line minutes in the A. Were going to take those guys and play them 5 minutes a night? Wasn't rushing Tuomaala into the AHL in the first place what tanked his early career?

WHy do they have to play 5 minutes a night? The 4th line plays 5 minutes a night because they're horrible. They can put different players there and then play them more minutes. This is possible. Many teams do this. The Flyers did too, many years ago.

Oh no wait, you said they could take time from the top line, to rest them. The top line that's averaging 19 minutes a game? Doesn't seem like they are being overloaded to me. Seems like they aren't playing as much as they should considering there's likely a 40 goal scorer there. Why are we reducing our best players ice time to play 4th liners?

Couturier:

Another line should be taking the burden off an aging player coming off serious back issues, yes. It's hilarious that you scoff at this notion.

For the record, I'd love to see literally anyone play over Nic Deslauriers. That includes Nate f***face Thompson.

Why hasn't Risto been traded if teams want him? Because they don't have the cap space. Are you new to this? He becomes a viable option at the deadline where his cap can be absorbed. The closer to the deadline we trade him, the less cap hit he takes up. He's overpaid massively, but like Cuck Fletcher, dumb GMs do dumb things. This is the only year in which he hasn't looked like a complete bag of shit on the back end. Torts has managed to make him look not so terrible. If Briere can get a taker without losing any value, that's a huge win.

Risto hasn't been traded because this team values him. This is the same management group that traded for him and extended him.

Seeler and Walker have had their trade value skyrocket as a pair. If you don't believe that, then you are straight up lying to yourself. Again, they are more valuable at the deadline, as stated above. There were rumours that we could be looking at a first rounder for the pair from the same team. Big win if it comes off.

They aren't a pair. Walker plays with York. Seeler should be gone last deadline. Walker should be gone already, rumors for high picks have already been out there. There is no reason to wait for the market to die. Have initiative for once.

Sorry if this is all new to you, maybe you will demonstrate some original thoughts and not constantly join in with the blind hatred of anything this org does for imaginary karma points, or whatever likes are registered as.

I mean everything you said is completely wrong and based on pure hopium, and my "blind hatred" is repeatedly proven correct so in reality it is "reasoned analysis."