Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don’t think anyone here has been happy about the Flyers the last decade and they deserve criticism. That criticism gets stale when it’s the only thing mentioned in every thread. There is no benefit I can see from beating the same drum over and over but maybe it’s therapeutic, idk.



A large percentage of posts here are nothing but bitching about Torts, management, and ownership, perhaps not unjustly at all, but how many reiterations of the same comment do we need? It’s masochistic with some posters and any Flyers related discussion is boring and repetitive



Fans have a right to complain about the team but it makes the place unusable if that’s all it is. No one is going to change the team by posting on a prospects board airing their grievances. Want to make a difference? Don’t watch games, don’t give clicks, don’t give money. Ignoring them will make a bigger difference



I know this comment won’t be popular and I’ll probably be called a bootlicker or something but that’s not the case. It’s also not directed to anyone in particular. I just remember when this place was better and not just a place to shout into the void

Hey, today we learned a new way that this organization could f*** up with them not being willing to carry an cap overage for your fifth overall pick when the team is rebuilding.

That’s new content. That’s not rehashed.

 

[Starat327]

The thing about waiting until draft day is that the team on the clock *almost always* values their pick higher than its generic value. It’s hard to transact in the 5-15 range because that’s where the draft opens up and teams have guys at the top of their list that they probably have ranked unusually high. And if you blow it at the draft, well, what do you do then?

Likely the only alternative that might have made sense to me would have been making a trade the week leading up to the draft. But again, there’s no guarantee that you’ll be able to get great value then either. And at that point, Gauthier’s intentions would have been obvious. Waiting would not have been without risk.

These are valid call outs.

Id counter with this -- you mention "if you blow it at the draft" -- sure, but didnt we already do it with this pick, according to the narrative being spun by the media?

there's certainly risk in waiting. Gauthier could blow his ACL in the next few months. But Drysdale carries his own risk as well. Seldom are there risk-free options. Im willing to hedge some risk that others aren't, and vice versa.

 

[Danko]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who do we have in the Phantoms that should realistically be playing over the current squad?

We only really have roles on the bottom line and they are getting less than 10 minutes a game.

Zamula and Risto have actually formed a bottom pairing partnership that isn't the worst in the NHL.

Over Hathaway, Deslauriers, and Atkinson? You can't think of anyone?

Ristolainen still sucks, sucking less isn't a massive triumph that should make him a permanent roster staple. Why not attempt to find something better?


They are supposed to be rebuilding. Part of a rebuild is finding out what you have. The Flyers refuse to do that because they are so afraid of "gifting" spots to prospects that they gift them to undeserving and overpaid scraps who will be nowhere in the league by the time the Michkov window can be expected to open. It's a zero upside path.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Wait - Friedman wasn't crystal clear but I think you're conflating two different conversations: one in March and one in May. The reason I write that is because by the time the WCs were played in May it wasn't possible to have a contract CG signed count as Year 1 in 2022-23. He'd have to have been signed and on the roster for the March 28th game against Montreal and have played the rest of the games to reach 10 and have it count. So whether he signed in May or September, it would have been all the same to him as it pertains to service time. They also had plenty of cap space at the start of the new cap year in the summer.

If service time was indeed the issue, then it makes the most sense that the time that the CG camp was reportedly informed the Flyers wouldn't sign him was March. BC's season ended on March 11 and Fletcher was fired a day earlier on March 10. It's possible that with all the craziness going on, the importance to the CG camp at signing him at that moment was lost in the shuffle. It's hard to say.

But I still have a hard time with the idea that the Flyers or any club owes a player on an ELC what amounts to a "free" year of service by playing 10 meaningless games at the end of a meaningless season. It's too bad for ELC players that the NHLPA didn't negotiate ELC players better terms, but the NHLPA is an organization that puts more weight into protecting their long-standing members.

Flyers had 15 games from March 14 to April 13 I believe

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

If the bonus overages were the reason Gauthier wasn't signed... they were never going to spend to the cap this season, so who cares about bonus overages for an ELC? What is this organization doing?

Almost every single step reeks of incompetence.

We need some kind of futures market with odds on when the Flyers will make three consecutive positive moves as a franchise.

Absolute clowns.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This is a bit of a shit post (obviously) but…

This just tells me the Flyers viewed Gauthier as their Ovechkin. They were afraid he’d score 20 goals in those 10+ games he may have played which would trigger a bonus.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If the bonus overages were the reason Gauthier wasn't signed... they were never going to spend to the cap this season, so who cares about bonus overages for an ELC? What is this organization doing?

Almost every single step reeks of incompetence.

We need some kind of futures market with odds on when the Flyers will make three consecutive positive moves as a franchise.

Absolute clowns.

Yeah, of all the various explanations presented, not a single one makes the Flyers look good. Or even neutral. They're all bad.

 

[TCTC]

Looks like they gave Drysdale number 9. Is that officially a defenseman number now? Not a fan.

 

[Starat327]

Over Hathaway, Deslauriers, and Atkinson? You can't think of anyone?

Ristolainen still sucks, sucking less isn't a massive triumph that should make him a permanent roster staple. Why not attempt to find something better?


They are supposed to be rebuilding. Part of a rebuild is finding out what you have. The Flyers refuse to do that because they are so afraid of "gifting" spots to prospects that they gift them to undeserving scraps who will be nowhere in the league by the time the Michkov window can be expected to open.

Part of youth development is showing the next wave of players that there is a path forward. Maybe Andrae isnt 100% ready. But in a rebuilding season (are we rebuilding), why not let him get that experience? The good teams find ways to plug their young up and coming players into the lineup, even if in limited minutes.

The Flyers have the 1970s philosophy where you have to "earn your way" past vets, and the moment you make a mistake, you arent ready. Like theres this magical age/experience level where making a mistake is okay, but before it means you just arent ready.

 

[BritainStix]

I don’t think anyone here has been happy about the Flyers the last decade and they deserve criticism. That criticism gets stale when it’s the only thing mentioned in every thread. There is no benefit I can see from beating the same drum over and over but maybe it’s therapeutic, idk.



A large percentage of posts here are nothing but bitching about Torts, management, and ownership, perhaps not unjustly at all, but how many reiterations of the same comment do we need? It’s masochistic with some posters and any Flyers related discussion is boring and repetitive



Fans have a right to complain about the team but it makes the place unusable if that’s all it is. No one is going to change the team by posting on a prospects board airing their grievances. Want to make a difference? Don’t watch games, don’t give clicks, don’t give money. Ignoring them will make a bigger difference



I know this comment won’t be popular and I’ll probably be called a bootlicker or something but that’s not the case. It’s also not directed to anyone in particular. I just remember when this place was better and not just a place to shout into the void

Totally agree with everything posted here. I took a break this season from HFboards, and it's genuinely been fun watching this team most nights. Just flat out enjoying the games and not waiting for the next statement about how the bottom line sucks, how much Torts kills children, or how the front office are assholes.

I raised this a few years back and got shot down. But it's literally the reason that so many flyers fans don't post here. When you mooch around the main boards there are so many more fans with flyers logos than you see here. This place also has an absolutely stinking rep on pretty much every other board or sub Reddit for its constant negativity.

I came here after the trade and read through a couple of posts and I want to hang myself. It's literally non stop. It's just a constant circle jerk of flat out effort trolling by people like Deadhead, and the same rehashed put downs about the team.

There's no valid discussion here anymore like there was in the Richards Era. I mean f***, there's only like 5 threads that are even active.

 

[deadhead]

Not because of Mintyukov - our guys knew he would be good, but not this good - but it was such a clear case of TRADE DOWN and collect assets instead of picking Qatar. The top of that draft was piss poor.

Problem is you have to find someone willing to trade up. Much easier in EA GM mode than real life.
Howie, who's a great trader, has been burned that way before.

 

[Danko]

Issuing the number 9 before Pride Night, gotta love it.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Problem is you have to find someone willing to trade up. Much easier in EA GM mode than real life.
Howie, who's a great trader, has been burned that way before.

You obviously are not mellow enough yet and should go smoke another bowl.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Flyers had 15 games from March 14 to April 13 I believe

The original post said that the last time they talked was on a zoom call after the WC which was in May.

It then went on to talk about seemingly another zoom call about turning pro and discussing the bonuses and potential overage being the reason they couldn’t do it then.

Those conversations couldn’t have happened at the same time because the NHL season had concluded at that point.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Gauthier didn't need to be gifted a spot. Look at the lineup and how much trouble they have scoring goals.

Briere then went out in the summer and signed a premium 4th liner who's been useless alongside the even more useless Deslauriers. Forward roster spots clearly aren't all that valuable in Philly.

And Gauthier is also a LW on a team forcing multiple RWs to play the left side.

You aren’t going to get a argument from me with these try hard no skill vets being gifted spots.
The Flyers have shown they want the young guys to start in the minors which is fine in a vacuum. But we know how this operates. There are obviously exceptions to that rule with players forcing the Flyers hand. Would the kid been good enough to do that? Debatable.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I also do love that this happened after the entire organization self-fellated over how they handled Ed Snider's birthday game.

Ed Snider would have Rambo'd the entire front office after hearing Gauthier wouldn't sign in Philadelphia... more appropriately, Snider never would have allowed it to get to that point in the first place.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Seravalli was willing to go on the record that Zegras is available, huh?

 

[BritainStix]

Over Hathaway, Deslauriers, and Atkinson? You can't think of anyone?

Ristolainen still sucks, sucking less isn't a massive triumph that should make him a permanent roster staple. Why not attempt to find something better?


They are supposed to be rebuilding. Part of a rebuild is finding out what you have. The Flyers refuse to do that because they are so afraid of "gifting" spots to prospects that they gift them to undeserving and overpaid scraps who will be nowhere in the league by the time the Michkov window can be expected to open. It's a zero upside path.

I asked for your opinion specifically. But your dodging another question. Just following the same posts as everyone else again.

Hathaway and des are playing bottom line minutes. Hell, sometimes they don't even get 5 minutes. If we're going to replace them, then we are replacing them with bottom six players that aren't going to see the ice. I say this as a man that f***ing hates that Deslauriers is on this team. He's a f***ing joke.

There is nothing wrong with Hathaway on the bottom line. He's a decent penalty killer too. What more do you actually want?

Risto is being paid 5m a year and if rumours are to be believed, teams were scouting him this year. You want Briere to put him in the minors where we have absolutely 0 chance of being able to move him through a dumb GM? Seems like piss poor asset management. The same argument can be made for Atkinson. He started the season on fire, and Brieres eyes must have lit up. We aren't getting rid of him if his ass is in the minors either.

But as I stated earlier. Who on the Phantoms do you want to replace them with? Because that cupboard is bare too!

 

[Curufinwe]

But I still have a hard time with the idea that the Flyers or any club owes a player on an ELC what amounts to a "free" year of service by playing 10 meaningless games at the end of a meaningless season. It's too bad for ELC players that the NHLPA didn't negotiate ELC players better terms, but the NHLPA is an organization that puts more weight into protecting their long-standing members.

Lyon got the Flyers to burn a year of his ELC without him playing a single game.

 

[deadhead]

Part of youth development is showing the next wave of players that there is a path forward. Maybe Andrae isnt 100% ready. But in a rebuilding season (are we rebuilding), why not let him get that experience? The good teams find ways to plug their young up and coming players into the lineup, even if in limited minutes.

The Flyers have the 1970s philosophy where you have to "earn your way" past vets, and the moment you make a mistake, you arent ready. Like theres this magical age/experience level where making a mistake is okay, but before it means you just arent ready.

Drysdale is an example where playing early did not help development.

Andrae simply didn't look ready when he played early this season, and he hasn't exactly burned up the AHL. He'll probably come up after the TDL when they move out some people.

In the AHL you usually have 4-5 days between games on the weekends, so coaches can spend time on drills, etc. and not just run practices to get ready for the next game. That's why it's a "development" league. It's rare in the NHL to be able to spend a couple days working on fundamentals or improving execution.

And bringing a player along slowly often makes sense, Zamula has gradually improved as the season progresses, partially b/c he isn't playing with a LHD on his right side, but also b/c he needed time to speed up his decision making. The third pair is less pressure and better matchups while he learns on the job.

Flyers shouldn't be trying to rush a young player to fill a hole to try and make the playoffs, they should be tailoring a timeline for each player depending on their progress.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Lyon got the Flyers to burn a year of his ELC without him playing a single game.

Can you explain that to me? And why didn’t we do the same? Smh

 

[deadhead]

You obviously are not mellow enough yet and should go smoke another bowl.

Showing your age, Cap'n. Everyone vapes now, doesn't stink out the place.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Showing your age, Cap'n. Everyone vapes now, doesn't stink out the place.

You are older than I am, you cheeky bastard.

 

[Curufinwe]

There is nothing wrong with Hathaway on the bottom line. He's a decent penalty killer too. What more do you actually want?

Hathaway has 5 points and has been outscored 18 goals to 6 at ES.

Can you explain that to me? And why didn’t we do the same? Smh

I think this covers it pretty well. Actually, it's just me asking how it works, lol.

When does an NCAA signee burn a year off his ELC?

This one has been at the forefront for lots of Blue Jackets fans. Because of his age Mike Reilly will only have 2 years on his ELC wherever he signs. The question is when does it become only one year left? After he plays one game professionally? One game in the NHL? 10 games like a 18 or...

forums.hfboards.com