Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[Flybynite]

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Would be a warranted reason. Nobody should be forced to be involved with an organization that has a grown ass man covering games while looking like the cigar smoking uncle from Christmas Vacation.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This thread has become a dumpster fire but i will say that i find it amusing that some of you are portraying this as a franchise-destroying moment when Gauthier, simultaneously, is not supposedly THAT great of a prospect. I mean, he should be good and the talent level is obvious but he clearly has some flaws in his game that may prove to be fatal at the pro level. The reaction here to this situation i think would be more justified if someone like Michkov does the same thing in a year or 2. At that point, all the outrage directed at Jones and Briere will be 100% justified. Until then... yeah sorry i'm firmly on Team "Cutter is an entitled little shit, f*** him".

I mean I’ve said before in this thread & so have some others I don’t think this move individually player for player really changes much imo. As you just swapped one player that’s unlikely to reach to lofty expectations for another & your ultimately still short on enough lottery tickets to yield enough impact players to get this team to championship level at some point down the line.

But this is still a player the Flyers believed in they seemingly dropped the ball especially if Friedman’s latest is true which probably doesn’t bode well for the though process/comptency in future moves.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Remember Tomas Hyka?

Again, it is inconceivable that Hanrahan has permanent tenure with all these cap and CBA f***ups.

 

[Redpath]

How is Michkov a far more urgent matter?

Michkov has a three year contract in the KHL, he literally can't come over until then. He also can't just decide he wants to go to another NHL team in a couple of years either.

Gauthier was supposed to play one year at BC and go pro. Gauthier has the ability to sign with any other NHL team in a couple of years if he chooses to go that route. The Flyers by doing what they did forced him to take that route and spurn the organization.

Gauthier is and was the far more urgent matter.

The Michkov conversation revolved around hypothetical buyouts, not about literally signing him, and even then the general consensus is that it'd be a waste of ELC years to get him here ASAP. There is an entire level of political uncertainty surrounding a far superior prospect, that is why it is more urgent.

I don't buy for a second that rushing to sign Gauthier in spring 2023, at the cost of cap overages, just to get him under the tutelage of Tortorella, would have ever been deemed urgent at all.

Sure enough, @Random Forest just brought up the receipts. Gauthier was not "supposed" to be a one-and-done in much of this forum's view.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Don’t want to clutter this thread with an off topic discussion, so if you want to take this discussion to PMs, that’d be fine, but what do you think it’s a sign of?

I’ve been at quite a few games and as I’m perusing the store and talking to people, it seems most like fans aren’t willing to drop the $ on a jersey of a player they aren’t sure will be here tomorrow. Seen some season ticketholders that got free jerseys (most seem to have chosen TK or Coots), but other than that not a lot.

Unfortunately (if you want change) the barn has actually been pretty full this year. Attendance definitely trending up while the sixers are trending down.

Well mostly a sign of it being a shitty design more than anything to do with the team on the ice itself itself. Just another missed opportunity by the organization.

I don't think any STH's got jerseys for free unless I missed something.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I really want to know what was communicated to the Flyers and what wasn't in March 2023.

That being said...they should have just signed him.

Gauthier still handled his business poorly.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

I think there would have been hefty criticisms for incurring any overages when the team is rebuilding, as that cap space a) could be used to weaponize in trades and b) should never have been wasted on signing Gauthier ASAP just for him to play in Year 1 of a rebuild, especially when it'd help his development to go back to college for another year.

Just go back in the summer and look at the Michkov thread: The general consensus is that the Flyers should in no way be rushing to waste his ELC years, even though Michkov has far, far more urgency and priority to get here ASAP than Gauthier did. Wasting an ELC year just to get Gauthier under Tortorella's wing ASAP would be deemed malfeasance.

I've said from the start that, from Gauthier's perspective, I understand why he is angry. And I understand why, from Danny's perspective, he is not beholden to his predecessor's promises.

I promise you nobody would’ve given a shit.

We are using 5MM of cap space on a dogshit goalie buried in the minors so that we could buy Helge Grans and a 2nd round pick.

You actually think fans who are Ok with that would be mad at using a couple million in cap space to retain the rights to our 5th overall pick and potential future #1C?!?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Exactly right. And we don’t even have to wonder! It was only less than a year ago. Everyone knows this place would have been irate if Gauthier was signed last April to play four meaningless games. Absurd to think the cries of “bad process!!!” and “awful cap management!” wouldn’t have been the predominant view.

A few posts from March 2023:

Prospect Info: - Round 1, Pick 5: Cutter Gauthier, LW, USNTDP -> Boston College

Good. Let him stay there. No need to rush him. Hell, at this point, I could see Couts-Frost-Foerster being the centers for next year. That seems unlikely. Cates won't move back to wing till Torts is gone. But Gauthier spending as little time as possible with Torts is a good thing. Stay 3...

forums.hfboards.com

And some more that are no longer quotable:
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My post remains true and it appears Cutter realized it.

 

[Random Forest]

Flyers management have access to a lot more information than we do, and going by what Friedman has reported they should have known that not signing Gauthier last season might mean he would refuse to sign ever sign here.

I guess this what you're left with and getting so worked up over people taking potshots at Gauthier as a prospect recently.

No, it‘s truly just hilarious that the people who are so gung-ho to not rush anything and let Gauthier get maximal time at BC & away from the Flyers are now acting like signing him last spring would have been met with anything other than criticism and ridicule. I don’t need your permission to laugh — it’s just straight up funny.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Well mostly a sign of it being a shitty design more than anything to do with the team on the ice itself itself. Just another missed opportunity by the organization.

I don't think any STH's got jerseys for free unless I missed something.

I thought i heard some club/suite level ones did, but i could be wrong.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I mean I’ve said before in this thread & so have some others I don’t think this move individually player for player really changes much imo. As you just swapped one player that’s unlikely to reach to lofty expectations for another & your ultimately still short on enough lottery tickets to yield enough impact players to get this team to championship level at some point down the line.

But this is still a player the Flyers believed in they seemingly dropped the ball especially if Friedman’s latest is true which probably doesn’t bode well for the though process/comptency in future moves.

Yeah, it's possible for multiple things to be true.

I'm actually high on Drysdale and think Gauthier might be a bit overrated. But that's not what this is about: It's about how the f*** they got themselves into this situation, and how they're trying to portray themselves and the player.

 

[Redpath]

I promise you nobody would’ve given a shit.

We are using 5MM of cap space on a dogshit goalie buried in the minors so that we could buy Helge Grans and a 2nd round pick.

You actually think fans who are Ok with that would be mad at using a couple million in cap space to retain the rights to our 5th overall pick and potential future #1C?!?

Uh, yes?

Using cap space during a rebuild to take on cap dumps is good asset management.

Burning even an iota cap space just to rush a top prospect to the NHL would be looked at bad asset management.

 

[Danko]

Is that surprising? Everything they have done since the Fletcher firing screams of appeasing the Authentics, of course the atmosphere is better. How much longer until the honeymoon phase is over? The end of the season? The start of next if they make no major moves and have a bad start to the season?

They can only run of rhe catharsis of firing Flstcher for so long.

Are ya callin me an authentic? It was brutal going to games the last few years. If all the new era of orange results in is less EDM and less Gritty up in my face in a premium seat, i'll take it.

 

[deadhead]

Gauthier may become a 1LW (but we have a better one), but unlikely to be no more than a 2C, and we don't know if he's willing to work hard on defense to even be suitable in that role. He's a good prospect, but he's not a game changer.

Drysdale actually has more upside but more risk, a 1RHD has more value than a 2C.

The 2nd rd pick is a nice addition to the stockpile Briere is building.

It's not the optimal outcome, but it's far from the end of the world.
Briere made the best of a bad situation, and it should have limited impact on the rebuild.
The biggest problem, as Wheeler pointed out, is the Flyers are undersized going forward.
They could really use a full sized top six center and maybe a big LHD, but the latter is easier to find.

 

[DancingPanther]

I really don't want to sit down and figure this out. But I think you got your wish.

It's a max of 850k in A bonuses and 2.5 in B bonuses.

This is pulling you back in Jojo. Don't give in. DO NOT GIVE IN

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gauthier may become a 1LW (but we have a better one), but unlikely to be no more than a 2C, and we don't know if he's willing to work hard on defense to even be suitable in that role. He's a good prospect, but he's not a game changer.

Drysdale actually has more upside but more risk, a 1RHD has more value than a 2C.

The 2nd rd pick is a nice addition to the stockpile Briere is building.

It's not the optimal outcome, but it's far from the end of the world.
Briere made the best of a bad situation, and it should have limited impact on the rebuild.
The biggest problem, as Wheeler pointed out, is the Flyers are undersized going forward.
They could really use a full sized top six center and maybe a big LHD, but the latter is easier to find.

Not the optimal outcome?

Understatement - Wikipedia

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[Beef Invictus]

This is pulling you back in Jojo. Don't give in. DO NOT GIVE IN

Nah this is worth it. This is NBA level soap opera.

 

[GKJ]

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Are ya callin me an authentic? It was brutal going to games the last few years. If all the new era of orange results in is less EDM and less Gritty up in my face in a premium seat, i'll take it.

No, not you. Just that the atmosphere in the building is going to be better if the authetics are into it.

That atmosphere is going to wane the next 4 months as the team burns out under Torts 110% at all times attitude and can't bring the same level of intensity.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Thank you, yes, that it what "Michkov has far, far more urgency and priority to get here ASAP than Gauthier did" meant.

If this forum is not ready to "waste" ELC years on a far better prospect is a much more sensitive situation, then this forum certainly would not have been ready to waste an ELC year on a far less urgent matter.

I think you’re mistaking some members of this forum saying “it’d be better for the Flyers if Michkov takes the full 3 years in Russia so this team can build up and hit the ground running” with the idea that they’d be angry if he came over early, got out of Russia and signed an ELC.

That isn’t necessarily the case and I don’t think the majority of posters would be mad.

It’s the same way I would’ve been f***ing ecstatic if Cutter burned 0 of his ELC years, utilized every year of his contract’s slide eligibility and then gave us a full 3 years on his ELC. It was just never realistic and I also would’ve been perfectly fine with him burning a year, spending the 2nd year figuring out the league and only really starting to provide value in the final year.

 

[Danko]

No, not you. Just that the atmosphere in the building is going to be better if the authetics are into it.

That atmosphere is going to wane the next 4 months as the team burns out under Torts 110% at all times attitude and can't bring the same level of intensity.

IDK - With the eagles getting bounced out and Spring Training still a few months off, I'd bet you probablyt see an uptick for atleast the next month or two granted they are competitive.

 

[Beef Invictus]

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I think I'd have preferred more picks. Too much risk. I find it troubling that apparently a good chunk of the org collectively decided that this is the best long-term move. But I also completely disagree with their approach to this current retool period on every level. Well, aside from the secrecy and info control. They're actually doing good-ish at that.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This is pulling you back in Jojo. Don't give in. DO NOT GIVE IN

Oh no. They’ve done one interesting thing for awful reasons. That’s it.

Drysdale is not even my preferred bucket to watch in the PMD area. If it was Thomas Harley or something, maybe.

(THIS IS NOT AN EVALUATION. IT’S WHAT I FIND FUN.)

 

[Danko]

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I think I'd have preferred more picks. Too much risk. I find it troubling that apparently a good chunk of the org collectively decided that this is the best long-term move. But I also completely disagree with their approach to this current retool period on every level. Well, aside from the secrecy and info control. They're actually doing good-ish at that.

Agreed that if we could have received a similar draft pick that we could pick rather then looking through other teams stockpiles, i'd prefer that.

 

[GKJ]

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I think I'd have preferred more picks. Too much risk. I find it troubling that apparently a good chunk of the org collectively decided that this is the best long-term move. But I also completely disagree with their approach to this current retool period on every level. Well, aside from the secrecy and info control. They're actually doing good-ish at that.

We know their strategy is to blame whoever f***ed them before. First it was Hextall. Now it's Kevin Hayes.

When this rebuild (this is not a rebuild) fails, it'll be Cutter's fault.