Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[Danko]

Again, can someone show me where the flyers said they would sign him?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I think there would have been hefty criticisms for incurring any overages when the team is rebuilding, as that cap space a) could be used to weaponize in trades and b) should never have been wasted on signing Gauthier ASAP just for him to play in Year 1 of a rebuild, especially when it'd help his development to go back to college for another year.

Just go back in the summer and look at the Michkov thread: The general consensus is that the Flyers should in no way be rushing to waste his ELC years, even though Michkov has far, far more urgency and priority to get here ASAP than Gauthier did. Wasting an ELC year just to get Gauthier under Tortorella's wing ASAP would be deemed malfeasance.

I've said from the start that, from Gauthier's perspective, I understand why he is angry. And I understand why, from Danny's perspective, he is not beholden to his predecessor's promises.

Uh, Michkov and Gauthier aren't comparable situations.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That wasn't a bad decision though considering he came with two 1st round picks. But I don't want to re-litigate Hextall's tenure.

The bad decision was their conviction that he was a good player.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Uh, Michkov and Gauthier aren't comparable situations.

Yet

 

[GKJ]

It's one year of an ELC. I wasn't as high on him as they were, but they looked at him as a high end core player. There's no reason to risk torching that relationship over it. It's just weird.

I can understand how they didn't know they were gonna end up getting skunked based on that unless they were explicitly told that.

In that sense it is a 'new era of orange' that they let a bonus overage stand in the way of signing a future core piece. That would have never happened before. Don't think Jonesy was on the job yet though.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Again, can someone show me where the flyers said they would sign him?

They drafted him. It's assumed.

If he told teams prior to the draft that he would only do one year at college if the team wanted him to you know as the team drafting him what you're going to have to do when that time comes.

 

[ajgoal]

DO we know who his agent is yet ?

He's not technically allowed to have one while he's playing in NCAA IIRC. Of course, that doesn't preclude some sort of go between or advisor, and that may have changed with the monetary rule changes.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

So is there a non zero chance that Briere just didn't know that you could carry an overage?

Remember the time Holmgren extended Pronger making it a 35+ contract and he didn't realize he'd be on the hook for the cap hit?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I think there would have been hefty criticisms for incurring any overages when the team is rebuilding, as that cap space a) could be used to weaponize in trades and b) should never have been wasted on signing Gauthier ASAP just for him to play in Year 1 of a rebuild, especially when it'd help his development to go back to college for another year.

Just go back in the summer and look at the Michkov thread: The general consensus is that the Flyers should in no way be rushing to waste his ELC years, even though Michkov has far, far more urgency and priority to get here ASAP than Gauthier did. Wasting an ELC year just to get Gauthier under Tortorella's wing ASAP would be deemed malfeasance.

I've said from the start that, from Gauthier's perspective, I understand why he is angry. And I understand why, from Danny's perspective, he is not beholden to his predecessor's promises.

Lmfao. To think those two situations are at all remotely the same.

You tell yourself what ever you need to tell yourself to get the warm fuzzy feel that this organization isn't a tire fire right now.

Don't bother with responding you're going to be hanging out with Igor Sient like the rest of the turd polishers.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

The bad decision was their conviction that he was a good player.

They knew Lehtera wasn't a good player, if that's what you're saying. I mean it was clearly just a big cap dump.

 

[Redpath]

Uh, Michkov and Gauthier aren't comparable situations.

Thank you, yes, that it what "Michkov has far, far more urgency and priority to get here ASAP than Gauthier did" meant.

If this forum is not ready to "waste" ELC years on a far better prospect is a much more sensitive situation, then this forum certainly would not have been ready to waste an ELC year on a far less urgent matter.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Remember the time Holmgren extended Pronger making it a 35+ contract and he didn't realize he'd be on the hook for the cap hit?

Remember Tomas Hyka?

 

[Danko]

They drafted him. It's assumed.

If he told teams prior to the draft that he would only do one year at college if the team wanted him to you know as the team drafting him what you're going to have to do when that time comes.

Im talking about the end of last season. At least that's what I believe some of the comments are alluding to, that the flyers in some way promised they would sign him at the end of last season and burn an ELC year. Is that what folks are saying the flyers/fletcher promised him and that Briere isn't beholden to honor if it was made?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I can understand how they didn't know they were gonna end up getting skunked based on that unless they were explicitly told that.

In that sense it is a 'new era of orange' that they let a bonus overage stand in the way of signing a future core piece. That would have never happened before. Don't think Jonesy was on the job yet though.

It is out of the ordinary. That’s fair. But if you view Gauthier as a true core piece, I don’t understand risking it. I get weighing it up. But someone in the chain had to balance out the positives and negatives.

Especially when you’re as convinced as they are that they “got the coach right.”

 

[Rebels57]

Funny most of us think the Flyers are the entitled POS'

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Thank you, yes, that it what "Michkov has far, far more urgency and priority to get here ASAP than Gauthier did" meant.

If this forum is not ready to "waste" ELC years on a far better prospect is a much more sensitive situation, then this forum certainly would not have been ready to waste an ELC year on a far less urgent matter.

How is Michkov a far more urgent matter?

Michkov has a three year contract in the KHL, he literally can't come over until then. He also can't just decide he wants to go to another NHL team in a couple of years either.

Gauthier was supposed to play one year at BC and go pro. Gauthier has the ability to sign with any other NHL team in a couple of years if he chooses to go that route. The Flyers by doing what they did forced him to take that route and spurn the organization.

Gauthier is and was the far more urgent matter.

 

[Rebels57]

Again, can someone show me where the flyers said they would sign him?

There is too much information and misinformation to even keep track of at this point.

I'll wait to see how the organization responds to Friedman's speculation. Last night we were all convinced it was Hayes' fault.

 

[Random Forest]

If you think nobody would have complained that, as their first act of business, Jones and Briere rushed to sign their top prospect ASAP to get him to the NHL, while incurring cap overages, all just for Gauthier to play during the first year of a supposed rebuild, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Farabee wasn't signed in the weeks after the team declared to be rebuilding. That is the difference in outrage.

You're making this (alleged) promise out to be made by the corporate entity of the Flyers rather than any actual human being. That is where things fall apart.

Exactly right. And we don’t even have to wonder! It was only less than a year ago. Everyone knows this place would have been irate if Gauthier was signed last April to play four meaningless games. Absurd to think the cries of “bad process!!!” and “awful cap management!” wouldn’t have been the predominant view.

A few posts from March 2023:

Good. Let him stay there. No need to rush him.

Hell, at this point, I could see Couts-Frost-Foerster being the centers for next year.

That seems unlikely. Cates won't move back to wing till Torts is gone.

But Gauthier spending as little time as possible with Torts is a good thing. Stay 3 years, kid.

A good developmental decision finally stumbled upon. Way too many 1st rounders go 1-and-done in the NCAA and then fizzle. His point production was surface level good in school and at the WJC, but I don't think he was "dominant." His tracking data also confirms that. And no one even knows what position he is long-term (well.....). Being a 19 year old AHL center, under the tutelage of Coach Lappy, was worst case. Another issue is that years of few picks and fewer good picks means he'd have no young talent with whom to play. Kicking this can is good.

Prospect Info: - Round 1, Pick 5: Cutter Gauthier, LW, USNTDP -> Boston College

Good. Let him stay there. No need to rush him. Hell, at this point, I could see Couts-Frost-Foerster being the centers for next year. That seems unlikely. Cates won't move back to wing till Torts is gone. But Gauthier spending as little time as possible with Torts is a good thing. Stay 3...

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[GapToothedWonder]

From a fan perspective just going to games its been a much better experience, i've generally been entertained at games.

Is that surprising? Everything they have done since the Fletcher firing screams of appeasing the Authentics, of course the atmosphere is better. How much longer until the honeymoon phase is over? The end of the season? The start of next if they make no major moves and have a bad start to the season?

They can only run of rhe catharsis of firing Flstcher for so long.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Im talking about the end of last season. At least that's what I believe some of the comments are alluding to, that the flyers in some way promised they would sign him at the end of last season and burn an ELC year. Is that what folks are saying the flyers/fletcher promised him and that Briere isn't beholden to honor if it was made?

Yes, the end of last season. That was his one year at BC where his season concluded on March 11th and a semi standard operating procedure is for players to sign then and burn an ELC year. That is what one could assume Gauthier meant by he'll play in college for one year and turn pro.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Remember the time Holmgren extended Pronger making it a 35+ contract and he didn't realize he'd be on the hook for the cap hit?

Hanrahan remains employed. Somehow.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

I posted this in a GDT the other day but after going to the game yesterday i'll post it again...

Take note of the broadcast how many people in the stands are wearing the new blouses. There's very few, if any. That's a sign of something.

Don’t want to clutter this thread with an off topic discussion, so if you want to take this discussion to PMs, that’d be fine, but what do you think it’s a sign of?

I’ve been at quite a few games and as I’m perusing the store and talking to people, it seems most like fans aren’t willing to drop the $ on a jersey of a player they aren’t sure will be here tomorrow. Seen some season ticketholders that got free jerseys (most seem to have chosen TK or Coots), but other than that not a lot.

Unfortunately (if you want change) the barn has actually been pretty full this year. Attendance definitely trending up while the sixers are trending down.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Remember Tomas Hyka?

I actually didn't! Had to look it up.

Woofah.

 

[Curufinwe]

Exactly right. And we don’t even have to wonder! It was only less than a year ago. Everyone knows this place would have been irate if Gauthier was signed last April to play four meaningless games.

Flyers management have access to a lot more information than we do, and going by what Friedman has reported they should have known that not signing Gauthier last season might mean he would refuse to ever sign here.

I guess this what you're left with after getting so worked up over people taking potshots at Gauthier as a prospect recently.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Difference is Gauthier is probably another Tarasenko at minimum. Vesey is not that much better than Barclay Goodrow and has been comparable to peak Greg McKegg at times.

Sorry I don't see that in him. Maybe his ceiling is Tarasenko now, that is the most I see. Just a support player that had a good college career The junior tournament thing is no guarantee that he will be great in the NHL. I'll be happy to say I was wrong if this turns out to be not true.