Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[freakydallas13]

Love how the same people who were trashing Gauthier are now fluffing him.

Traded 5th rd 2022 pick for 6th rd 2020 pick.
2nd rd pick will probably be in the 30s, gives us (3) 2025 2nds (CBJ will almost certainly push that pick into 2025).

Gauthier failed to show he's a 1C at BC or WJC. He's going to be a good top six forward, maybe a 1LW or 2C, but we have Farabee. Drysdale will be a top 4 D-man, maybe our PP QB. Best of an awkward situation. We needed a RHD and 1C, between Drysdale and Bonk, good start, figure if we add some more picks we draft at least one D-man this draft.

It also suggests that Walker will soon be on the trade block, Drysdale's skill package is redundant with Walker, fast undersized RHD. So figure a 2024 2nd at the very least. And Briere is going to sell at the TDL and add more picks.

I love the same people that were hyping Gauthier are now downplaying him.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I love the same people that were hyping Gauthier are now downplaying him.

I liked him but thought he had the potential to be more of a great sidekick, and a winger. I think a lot will depend on his IQ developing and finding space in dangerous areas. I’m not happy losing him but I’m also not disappointed getting Drysdale. Who knows how the future will play out but I like having a young defenseman with high end potential

 

[Beef Invictus]

Love how the same people who were trashing Gauthier are now fluffing him.

Traded 5th rd 2022 pick for 6th rd 2020 pick.
2nd rd pick will probably be in the 30s, gives us (3) 2025 2nds (CBJ will almost certainly push that pick into 2025).

Gauthier failed to show he's a 1C at BC or WJC. He's going to be a good top six forward, maybe a 1LW or 2C, but we have Farabee. Drysdale will be a top 4 D-man, maybe our PP QB. Best of an awkward situation. We needed a RHD and 1C, between Drysdale and Bonk, good start, figure if we add some more picks we draft at least one D-man this draft.

It also suggests that Walker will soon be on the trade block, Drysdale's skill package is redundant with Walker, fast undersized RHD. So figure a 2024 2nd at the very least. And Briere is going to sell at the TDL and add more picks.

Nobody is fluffing him. Stop lying.

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[mr figgles]

I’ve played in almost as many NHL games as Drysdale the last two seasons. Cool trade. At this point Michkov will have no one to play with but the shambling corpse of Sean Couturier.

 

[Cmoneyflyguy]

Eff him. My new most hated player. And lol,at thinking it’s because of Torts.
Either way the dude is soft as baby poo. Eff him.

 

[Magua]

“You pitiful left wing! We’ll show you. You aren’t worthy of being called a center,” said the jilted team who drafted the player to be their franchise center and pretended he was that until the day they traded him.

 

[deadhead]

Jones said during intermission that they've been looking to move Gauthier for months. So this wasn't a panic move, Nor did Drysdale being NHL ready have anything to do with the trade according to Jones, it was the best they could get.

The idea that Torts is such a monster that a 19 year didn't want to play for him is stretching credibility, since most HCs are basically assholes from the perspective of a spoiled 19 year old. Greg Cronin is 60 in his first year coaching in Anaheim, why would Gauthier assume he'll be around in 2-3 years? Who knows who the next coach will be? The Flyers are competing for a PO spot, Anaheim sucks, so it's not driven by competitive urges.

More likely, like Fox, he had decided he wanted a warm climate or some other factor, maybe he's just tired of winter after two years in Boston. If he lied to the Flyers, he's an asshole, pure and simple, and probably destined to be a headache where ever he ends up. For one thing, this isn't the NFL, dropping a couple spots in the draft by being honest wouldn't cost him any money (same ELC). So the only reason to lie to get drafted higher was to puff his ego.

 

[flyerslducks]

Gauthier failed to show he's a 1C at BC or WJC. He's going to be a good top six forward, maybe a 1LW or 2C, but we have Farabee. Drysdale will be a top 4 D-man, maybe our PP QB. Best of an awkward situation. We needed a RHD and 1C, between Drysdale and Bonk, good start, figure if we add some more picks we draft at least one D-man this draft.

he absolutely will not be a 2C. They have carlsson and mctavish there. Now the ducks have cutter, terry, zegras as their wings. Smart move as they have a ton of d prospects too.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Eff him. My new most hated player. And lol,at thinking it’s because of Torts.
Either way the dude is soft as baby poo. Eff him.

Multiple sources indicate it's Tortorella. It's not a thing we made up. It's being reported.

 

[flyerslducks]

So what are people’s thoughts on the trade, aside from the cutter nonsense? I can’t read the last 10 or so pages cus I’m at work.

Drysdale ain’t no slouch. He def has a lot of potential and has looked pretty good when he is actually playing. If he’s healthy, it’s a pretty damn good add.

 

[Magua]

More likely, like Fox, he had decided he wanted a warm climate or some other factor, maybe he's just tired of winter after two years in Boston.

With all that time off, I’m going to need more creativity out of you than he’s tired of winter.

Apparently, the Flyers talked to 20 teams with whom Gauthier was willing to sign. Going to guess many of them have cold weather! Fox was a junior 3rd round pick — with a real college degree angle — who only wanted to sign with 1 team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's very weird to me that people can't believe that players don't want to swarm to the most hated coach in the league.

 

[deadhead]

Now what would bother Gauthier about Torts other than he would be pushed to play defense, play physical (gee, why would you expect a power forward to go to the net instead of shooting from 30 feet) and be held accountable? If he was willing to sign with 20 other teams, he was willing to play for some coaches he'd discover are worse than Torts. (Torts has never been accused of being personally abusive to his players, unlike numerous head coaches. He's tough, stubborn and a little crazy, but not an asshole like a lot of HCs who are verbally and sometimes physically abusive). While Cronin doesn't have a bad reputation, he's a 60 year old Dino with a reputation for "tough love" with his players - it'll be interesting to see how Gauthier handles being pushed and criticized.

By the way, how are Hayes and TDA playing now that they're away from Torts?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Eff him. My new most hated player. And lol,at thinking it’s because of Torts.
Either way the dude is soft as baby poo. Eff him.

Sounds like you are being really manly and taking it in stride.

 

[Magua]

I don't either. It saves them from having to deal with a Ben SImmons fiasco in the public, but you can extract value by negotiating through the media (isn't that supposed to be an asset of Keith Jones?) among other things.

They’re already negotiating with 18-20 NHL teams who know that Gauthier isn’t signing. It’s not a secret among the trade partners! It didn’t get leaked to the media, but so what if it did? It gets superficially uglier, but the Flyers have leverage with 2.5 years of control for a player impatiently wanting to turn pro. It doesn’t lower his value because it’s not new information for other teams. Jones claimed Gauthier’s value would never be higher than after the WJC, but there’s no reason that’s true. If it went beyond the draft, possibly. But we’re supposed to believe this team understands timing a sell?

I think it’s less that Keith Jones thinks we’re idiots and more that he’s the idiot. Everything he said sounds like he read it from a PoHO pamphlet. What do you expect from a TV color commentator…..the business acumen of Morey? He’s probably patting himself and the team on the back for other GMs showing them “respect.”

 

[deadhead]

I love the same people that were hyping Gauthier are now downplaying him.

Don't know who you're referring to.

I saw him as a potential 1LW who might go 30-30, or a 2C with a winger who could handle playmaking, maybe 1C with someone like Michkov who'd drive the line (i.e., not a true 1C).
It was him or Jiricek, who at 19 has shuffled between AHL and CBJ and is on their 3rd pair.

I also though he needed Torts, he's not a good defensive center right now and obviously needs to be pushed to be more than a one dimensional forward. If he came here, he'd be pushed to use his big body and become a two way center or power forward - if he doesn't want to be pushed he may end up a big forward who wants to play a finesse game (Hayes at worse, JVR at best).

Gauthier is a good prospect, who may have character issues. Drysdale is a good prospect who may have durability issues. If Drysdale can stay healthy, it's probably a wash and we win with a high 2nd rd pick, if Drysdale can't stay on the ice, we lose.

 

[freakydallas13]

I see we have moved the "players don't hate Torts" goalpost, to "the players that hate Torts suck who cares what they think".

As if the idea that Gauthier would hate playing for Torts is so farfetched. This is a coach voted most hated across the leauge by the players, who has beefed with 5 roster players (that we know of) already in his 1.5 year tenure, not to mention notoriously beefed with other players at every stop he's coached. But after *months* of telling us Cutter was an integral part of the future, now we question his ceiling. "We don't want players that don't want to play for Torts (even though everyone loves Torts), because that means something is wrong with them".

The excuses are baked into the narrative. Any line contrary to how great Torts is obviously hater non-sense. Nothing any player/executive/reporter could ever say will ever change the Torts boot licker's mind, because Torts can't possible be wrong. And neither can the advisers who advocate for him for that matter.

 

[deadhead]

They’re already negotiating with 18-20 NHL teams who know that Gauthier isn’t signing. It’s not a secret among the trade partners! It didn’t get leaked to the media, but so what if it did? It gets superficially uglier, but the Flyers have leverage with 2.5 years of control for a player impatiently wanting to turn pro. It doesn’t lower his value because it’s not new information for other teams. Jones claimed Gauthier’s value would never be higher than after the WJC, but there’s no reason that’s true. If it went beyond the draft, possibly. But we’re supposed to believe this team understands timing a sell?

I think it’s less that Keith Jones thinks we’re idiots and more that he’s the idiot. Everything he said sounds like he read it from a PoHO pamphlet. What do you expect from a TV color commentator…..the business acumen of Morey? He’s probably patting himself and the team on the back for other GMs showing them “respect.”

Jones is right, Gauthier's value won't increase after this season if he stays in college, even if he puts up big numbers, it'll be as a 20-21 year old junior, and that won't impress scouts. And if he gets dinged or pouts if BC slips after the wunderkids go pro, his value declines. The only way he'd be worth more post WJC is if he dominated the NCAA playoffs - but if he doesn't, his value declines. At this point, the best strategy was to take what you can get and move on,

Dach was #3 pick, struggled at 21 on an awful Chicago team and ended up garnering #13. Downside for a prospect like Gauthier is higher than upside until he proves himself as a NHL top six forward. that is, he's unlikely to be worth a top 3 pick, but could easily slip and his value drop like Dach.

 

[dats81]

It's very weird to me that people can't believe that players don't want to swarm to the most hated coach in the league.

Where there's smoke, there's fire... no doubt.
However, what's the average shelflife of a HC in the NHl? A young man just drafted by an org already afraid of potentially spending a year or two under a potential difficult coach ... so scared ... this is also pretty telling.

 

[trostol]

So what are people’s thoughts on the trade, aside from the cutter nonsense? I can’t read the last 10 or so pages cus I’m at work.

Drysdale ain’t no slouch. He def has a lot of potential and has looked pretty good when he is actually playing. If he’s healthy, it’s a pretty damn good add.

honestly..don't know much about him but it doesn't move the needle really. If he is over his injuries that's great but the history is there. Plus it sounds like he is mostly an offensive d-man..which will of course be coached out of him at some point

 

[deadhead]

I see we have moved the "players don't hate Torts" goalpost, to "the players that hate Torts suck who cares what they think".

As if the idea that Gauthier would hate playing for Torts is so farfetched. This is a coach voted most hated across the leauge by the players, who has beefed with 5 roster players (that we know of) already in his 1.5 year tenure, not to mention notoriously beefed with other players at every stop he's coached. But after *months* of telling us Cutter was an integral part of the future, now we question his ceiling. "We don't want players that don't want to play for Torts (even though everyone loves Torts), because that means something is wrong with them".

The excuses are baked into the narrative. Any line contrary to how great Torts is obviously hater non-sense. Nothing any player/executive/reporter could ever say will ever change the Torts boot licker's mind, because Torts can't possible be wrong. And neither can the advisers who advocate for him for that matter.

Has any Flyer player demanded a trade? Lot's of players around the league do so every season.

The only two players who criticized Torts in CBJ were Dubinsky (after he was demoted to the 3rd line and then released a year later), and a scrub. Even Dubois, who clashed with Torts, went out of his way to state his trade demands were an issue with the GM, not Torts.

Hayes? Who cares, he fought the move to RW and either couldn't or wouldn't play defense - what coach wouldn't ream him a new one?

Torts isn't "hated," he just has a reputation that intimidates a lot of players, probably b/c a lot of players don't like being pushed (Hayes is a good example). AV, for example, was a far bigger asshole than Torts. Cassidy was forced out of Boston by his players (who then went belly up in the 1st rd while Cassidy kissed the Cup).

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Has any Flyer player demanded a trade? Lot's of players around the league do so every season.

The only two players who criticized Torts in CBJ were Dubinsky (after he was demoted to the 3rd line and then released a year later), and a scrub. Even Dubois, who clashed with Torts, went out of his way to state his trade demands were an issue with the GM, not Torts.

Hayes? Who cares, he fought the move to RW and either couldn't or wouldn't play defense - what coach wouldn't ream him a new one?

Torts isn't "hated," he just has a reputation that intimidates a lot of players, probably b/c a lot of players don't like being pushed (Hayes is a good example). AV, for example, was a far bigger asshole than Torts. Cassidy was forced out of Boston by his players (who then went belly up in the 1st rd while Cassidy kissed the Cup).

One of the twitter accounts that seemed oddly confident for months that Cutter wouldn’t be signing here also indicated that Tippett, Konecny and Hart have no intention of signing here long term because of Torts.

Before tonight, I might have laughed reading that.

All bets are off now.

If this doesn’t make you question your belief in this organization, nothing will.

 

[deadhead]

Charlie goes through the timeline, and it's weirder and weirder.
1) As late as April of 2023, he went on a Boston-area podcast and seemed very much onboard with the idea of playing for head coach John Tortorella, sharing an amusing anecdote about meeting him at camp the previous summer.
2) According to Briere, following Gauthier’s standout showing at the IIHF World Championships for Team USA — which concluded on May 28 — he informed the Flyers that he had a change of heart.
3) Gauthier and his camp stopped communicating with the Flyers, presumably believing that they had made their stance clear.
4) A source confirmed to PHLY that Gauthier was shopped at the 2023 NHL Draft, with Briere specifically offering Gauthier to the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for the fifth overall pick to ensure they'd get Michkov.

Theories presented:

Hayes trashed Torts to Gauthier - but Hayes, when reached by PHLY, strongly denied that he had anything to do with Gauthier’s change of heart regarding playing for the Flyers. “I have never said a negative thing about Torts or the organization to (Gauthier) in my life,” he responded via text message.

After watching the Flyers from afar during the 2022-23 season, he was turned off by Tortorella’s uniquely demanding coaching style. But in April of 2023, Gauthier was still going on podcasts and speaking positively about Tortorella, calling that theory into serious question as well.

Hartnell suggested that Gauthier wanted to sign his entry-level contract after his freshman season, and the preference on the part of Briere and the Flyers to have him return to school for one more season [to play center] was the driving force behind Gauthier souring on the organization. It would fit the timeline of Gauthier’s apparent change of heart, and maybe after tearing up the World Championships, Gauthier thought he had proved his readiness for the next level.

Another possibility is that the turmoil within the Flyers’ organization in the spring and summer of 2023 played a role. Maybe from the outside, the Flyers looked to Gauthier to be an organization in chaos, and one he wanted to avoid. Of course, Briere and Jones believe that they have the Flyers back on track. In Michkov, they have a potential generational star, and the NHL team is in the playoff mix.

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[BritainStix]

If this clown didn't want to sign here because of a coach, then good riddance. Torts has what? 1 season after this one left before he gets canned. Kid sounds like an entitled loser.

I can't believe people are mad at Briere pulling the trigger on a trade for a player that literally doesn't want to sign here. I see this place is still absolute doom and gloom on all aspects. The longer you wait, the longer that the rumours have time to break out, which then destroys your leverage. The 2.5 years gives other teams an insurance against a player that might not want to sign with them either.

I hope Drysdale can get healthy, If he does, then this is a good trade.