Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[Hollywood Cannon]

Off the top of my head, the following Flyers have already beefed with Torterella:

Hayes
TDA
Frost
Farabee
Gauthier

Who am I forgetting?

York.

Torts sent him to the minors because York wouldn’t step to him.

 

[FadeToBlack]

There’s no reasonable positive post-draft spin, so it basically comes down to what you thought of him pre-draft. From the sources I trust around here, they were less impressed than the hockey community as a whole. No one questions the skating. That’s clearly fantastic.

I would say at this point, hope for a top 4 guy. It’s not a lock, even if healthy.

He's been playing top 4 minutes since his rookie year lol.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

He's been playing top 4 minutes since his rookie year lol.

Playing Top 4 minutes ≠ Top 4 D-Man

 

[Redpath]

Random fan accounts insisting that Gauthier wasn't going to sign doesn't really mean anything post-development camp, when "Gauthier doesn't want to be here" became an easy talking point to spew. There are also idiots who go under every Michkov post to say he'll never come over. That doesn't mean they necessarily have intel.

Maybe they got their wish. But not really enough to think this is burnergate 2.0

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He's been playing top 4 minutes since his rookie year lol.

Now if he could do that well, I’d be happy to have him in my top 4. Otherwise this is the Provorov discussion all over again.

 

[Embiid]

Ryan Ellis v2.0 coming up

Or Ryan Parent...

 

[Zenithfly]

I mean there’s Twitter accounts that clearly knew something with regards to Gauthier for months now that pointed to Torts. Russ Joy said that he heard it was related to Torts.

It’s not some random fabrication.

It’s also common sense.

York, Farabee, Frost, Hayes, DeAngelo, and I’m sure there’s others have had beef’s with Torts.

I wouldn’t say it’s common sense nor is it a random fabrication. It’s speculation/rumor right now and nothing more. We will ultimately get the real reason in due time, there’s 0 reason for cutter not to specifically state he didn’t want to play for torts or at least allude to it.

Tbh I couldn’t care any less that Tony Deangelo and Kevin Hayes had beef with torts and I’m not sure why any of you would either? They’re 2 morons who played like shit for us as far as I’m concerned. The other 3 I get it, it is an issue that your young players have disagreements with the coach and that can turn sour, but as of right now I just don’t think the sky is falling due to torts as this board seems to think. Sure, they have disagreements but I don’t think the guys actively dislike playing here because of him

 

[Kalv]

Ducks fan coming in peace.

Drysdale is a great teammate and fan favorite. Some think/thought he could be a #1 but I think more realistically he's a 2/3 with offensive upside. Good skater, but has always lacked defensively. We were hoping the defensive side would improve with maturity but he missed a huge chuck of that maturation time due to the injuries. Unsure how much that hurts his overall progress.

Injuries are a concern which is why I think the 2nd rounder was included, insurance. Might end up being a fluke, might be a pattern. Too early to tell.

As a Ducks fan, I love Jamie – he's a great guy. Easy to root for. Skating is absolutely amazing, and it seemed he improved defensively. He absolutely can munch huge minutes.

Offensively he seemed to lack the IT factor – he'd skate like the wind in the offensive zone with the puck but often do not know what to do with it. Lacks awareness and agression. That's when we all realized he'll not be a Makar. He is also on the small side and has payed only like 15 games the past 2 seasons.

I agree that ideally he's your 2nd pair offensive specialist. But he can munch minutes like a top pair guy no problem.

I think you'll gonna love him.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I wouldn’t say it’s common sense nor is it a random fabrication. It’s speculation/rumor right now and nothing more. We will ultimately get the real reason in due time, there’s 0 reason for cutter not to specifically state he didn’t want to play for torts or at least allude to it.

Tbh I couldn’t care any less that Tony Deangelo and Kevin Hayes had beef with torts and I’m not sure why any of you would either? They’re 2 morons who played like shit for us as far as I’m concerned. The other 3 I get it, it is an issue that your young players have disagreements with the coach and that can turn sour, but as of right now I just don’t think the sky is falling due to torts as this board seems to think. Sure, they have disagreements but I don’t think the guys actively dislike playing here because of him

There’s plenty of reasons for Gauthier to not say anything. It’s the same with the idea that there’s not many players that speak poorly about Torts out there doesn’t mean that a ton of players don’t hate the guy. It’s not in a hockey players nature while still active to bring attention to that. It provides no benefit to them.

We care because Torts is the most powerful person in the organization. He decides he doesn’t like you, you’re gone. That’s a problem. We’re lucky that so far it’s only been Hayes and DeAngelo that have been jettisoned. Frost is right around the corner and then who knows who is next.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

One, it was before the draft and I don't think we can compare the Flyers organization and the Coyotes management. The management of the Coyotes is a clown show and I understand Michkov a little for having informed the team that he did not want to be selected by them.

The hubris of this fanbase is amazing. Acting as if the Flyers aren't in the same tier of organization as the Coyotes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Maybe, but I’m not sure what other kind of deal structure would have worked. Given circumstances, a 1-for-1 trade for a young D seems like the only one that would have returned a prospect of relatively similar value/pedigree, and I’m not sure what other young D with high impact potential may have been available. There aren’t that many.

It seems hard to believe that in a pool of 18-20 teams, a future 2nd and a dman who is injured a little over half the time is the best return, but who knows. Many aspects of this are odd.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ryan Ellis v2.0 coming up

The omens are not encouraging.

 

[JABEE]

It takes a lot for a hockey player to publicly beef with their coaches.

 

[freakydallas13]

I wouldn’t say it’s common sense nor is it a random fabrication. It’s speculation/rumor right now and nothing more. We will ultimately get the real reason in due time, there’s 0 reason for cutter not to specifically state he didn’t want to play for torts or at least allude to it.

Tbh I couldn’t care any less that Tony Deangelo and Kevin Hayes had beef with torts and I’m not sure why any of you would either? They’re 2 morons who played like shit for us as far as I’m concerned. The other 3 I get it, it is an issue that your young players have disagreements with the coach and that can turn sour, but as of right now I just don’t think the sky is falling due to torts as this board seems to think. Sure, they have disagreements but I don’t think the guys actively dislike playing here because of him

You don't care about players having beef with Torts because you are trying to defend him. I don't like Hayes or TDA, but we're not talking about how much we like players, we're talking about how many players beef with the head coach.

 

[Sombastate]

It seems hard to believe that in a pool of 18-20 teams, a future 2nd and a dman who is injured a little over half the time is the best return, but who knows. Many aspects of this are odd.

All I can think of is that there wasn't a team with the young defensive depth of Anaheim that was in on Cutter. If I'm Danny, I'm only trading Cutter for either a young center or young D.

Maybe this was just all around the best option. And if healthy? A legitimately decent trade

 

[Beef Invictus]

Now if he could do that well, I’d be happy to have him in my top 4. Otherwise this is the Provorov discussion all over again.

Or Ristolainen. There were a lot of "he wouldn't play a lot if he's bad!" arguments made by the usuals.

 

[Beef Invictus]

As a Ducks fan, I love Jamie – he's a great guy. Easy to root for. Skating is absolutely amazing, and it seemed he improved defensively. He absolutely can munch huge minutes.

Offensively he seemed to lack the IT factor – he'd skate like the wind in the offensive zone with the puck but often do not know what to do with it. Lacks awareness and agression. That's when we all realized he'll not be a Makar. He is also on the small side and has payed only like 15 games the past 2 seasons.

I agree that ideally he's your 2nd pair offensive specialist. But he can munch minutes like a top pair guy no problem.

I think you'll gonna love him.

Anyone else reminded of Tippett? Looks busy, substance often lacking. Flyers kryptonite.

 

[Random Forest]

It seems hard to believe that in a pool of 18-20 teams, a future 2nd and a dman who is injured a little over half the time is the best return, but who knows. Many aspects of this are odd.

I’m just trying to consider what alternative trade may have even been worth considering. A package in return would have been trash because we’d be getting inferior pieces, by definition. A 1st round pick this year probably wouldn’t have been great asset management given that it’s unlikely we’d have gotten a top 5 pick, or even top 10. So the basis for the trade had to be a young defender, and there are only a small handful I can think of who would have been suitable based on pedigree/value.

Reinbacher? Rejected at the draft apparently.

Brandt Clarke? Unlikely given LA’s roster and him about to get called up.

Jiricek? Doubt Columbus would consider it.

Edvinsson? Doesn’t make sense for Detroit.

Just seems like this was making the best of a bad situation. Conditional on Gauthier needing to be traded, I struggle to see what alternative is worth me getting mad at anyone over (other than Gauthier).

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Lmao Kevin Hayes chimed in on asf

 

[orangey]

He pulled a Bartleby the scrivener, "I'd prefer not to".

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Yeah, I’m just trying to consider what alternative trade may have even been worth considering. A package in return would have been trash because we’d be getting inferior pieces, by definition. A 1st round pick this year probably wouldn’t have been great asset management given that it’s unlikely we’d have gotten a top 5 pick, or even top 10. So the basis for the trade had to be a young defender, and there are only a small handful I can think of who would have been suitable based on pedigree/value.

Reinbacher? Rejected at the draft apparently.

Brandt Clarke? Unlikely given LA’s roster and him about to get called up.

Jiricek? Doubt Columbus would consider it.

Edvinsson? Doesn’t make sense for Detroit.

I just see this deal as probably making the best of a bad situation.

We also could’ve gone the Daryl Morey route and called the bluff. 2.5 years is a really long time to wait… especially when he allegedly wanted to turn pro right after the draft.

We also could’ve rectified whatever caused the issue. If it’s Torts, fire his ass. It’s not hard.

I can’t accept that the only solution was taking pennies on the dollar.

Again, I’ll wait and see what Drysdale is/becomes but what I’m hearing isn’t really great. It sounds like we sold really, really low.

 

[Putt Pirate]

Hawks have a second 1st the next 2 years; either they could have thrown Philly’s way. Who knows?

 

[Random Forest]

We also could’ve gone the Daryl Morey route and called the bluff. 2.5 years is a really long time to wait… especially when he allegedly wanted to turn pro right after the draft.

We also could’ve rectified whatever caused the issue. If it’s Torts, fire his ass. It’s not hard.

I can’t accept that the only solution was taking pennies on the dollar.

Again, I’ll wait and see what Drysdale is/becomes but what I’m hearing isn’t really great. It sounds like we sold really, really low.

Maybe that was the optimal play. But gaming that scenario out, if Gauthier did not sign the second BC’s season ended this year, it would be its own ordeal, and I really struggle to think the Flyers would be in a stronger negotiating position at that point the longer it went on. What do they get for him at the draft? Is his value higher then than it is now? I don’t know. Strikes me as unlikely.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

If he was traded at the draft, what pick could’ve he gotten back potentially?

 

[Random Forest]

If he was traded at the draft, what pick could’ve he gotten back potentially?

I don’t think anyone can handicap that since it requires knowing exactly who is available and how much the team on the clock values their top ranked player relative to Gauthier.

But for size, it’s instructive that Montreal allegedly turned down the 5th overall pick this year (Reinbacher) for him.