Fox does not suck, he’s very good. But he hasn’t been playing like a top five d-man in the league the last few weeks. Hopefully he can raise his game.
His body language is sometimes on the level of Mark Sanchez.
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His body language is sometimes on the level of Mark Sanchez.
The S5
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It's been a bad couple of games, nothing more, nothing less.
The drama of some posts regarding Shesty, Fox, Chytil etc.. is just ridiculous.
Chytil has been really good of late. Not sure what there is to complain about.
Fox is still an amazing player. Admittedly, he didn't have his best defensive game last night. Spend time watching some of the other "top D". They make some awful defensive plays. This is the NHL and the rest of the guys are pretty good.
Let's be honest, this team has exceeded expectations. Let's see how we do in the playoffs. If nothing else, they gain valuable experience.
The drama of some posts regarding Shesty, Fox, Chytil etc.. is just ridiculous.
Chytil has been really good of late. Not sure what there is to complain about.
Fox is still an amazing player. Admittedly, he didn't have his best defensive game last night. Spend time watching some of the other "top D". They make some awful defensive plays. This is the NHL and the rest of the guys are pretty good.
Let's be honest, this team has exceeded expectations. Let's see how we do in the playoffs. If nothing else, they gain valuable experience.
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The biggest issue with this team is that we are coming down the stretch, and we should be tightening up our defense in anticipation of playoffs but we give up more odd man rushes and breakaways than near any team we've had. Wins or losses mean little, we have our playoff spot basically guaranteed, its how we play that has bothered me since a while. We supposedly added all this grit, i hardly seen anyone throw a hit on the forecheck. The breakaways need to stop, there is no reason to allow that to continue, some of them are flat out breakaways but more infuriating is the ones that happen because someone saunters between both d and beats them to the net, nobody hits them and their gap is terrible, how does this happen so frequently with NHL defensemen? To start the year we were tough to play against, our d was stepping up making players think twice about crossing the blueline most notably Trouba, guys were engaged and our 4th line could go win a shift and gain momentum with physicality. None of that happens anymore, and it hasnt for a while.
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Games played for Shestyorkin:
2012-13: 26
2013-14: 34
2014-15: 34
2015-16: 34
2016-17: 43
2017-18: 39
2018-19: 31
2019-20: 37
2020-21: 35
2021-22: 45
Not saying this is where he hits a wall, but good to remember.
For now, I consider it a cold streak. Every goalie has them.
zukeisgone
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Panarin could score 300 points and some here would hate him.
Fitzy
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If Shesty turns into a Tim Thomas who needs at least 1 in every 4 games off due to the sheer intensity at which they play the game, we need to start thinking a lot about how we are going to start bringing in solid backup options at affordable rates.
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Fitzy
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Even on a tough day, he's the most consistently effective star scoring winger we've had since Jagr.
I'm not even sure I'd take peak 2009 Gaborik over this- Panarin's most normal season since joining us.
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Think about the confidence builder side of it though if Chytil does score. That's what Gallant does....gets guys to believe in themselves ......it did not work out this time and that happens . Oh well....life goes on.
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We could have used more size on the shootout
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Well... he got it backwards. Chytil should have received 3v3 time.
Maybe Gallant realized that and tried to amend it by over slotting Chytil in the shootout
The bloody one able to leave his den after hiding and disappearing.
Punxsutawney Nine has signalled Spring.
Machinehead
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Chytil is fine and I don't even mind Gauthier, but these are guys who should be complimenting scorers (either that, or just be on the 4th line). Putting them together is asking for exactly what we've gotten.
And we wonder why Lafreniere doesn't score more. He's on a line where he's the playmaker AND the shooter. He can't pass to himself. Chytil is his most common linemate and Gauthier is 4th. Zibanejad and Kreider are 2nd and 3rd.
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere are coming in at 3.24 GF/60. At 14 minutes per game over 82 games, that's SIXTY-ONE even strength goals. Your D will factor in on some of those, but you have to think that's 40-50 points with no powerplay.
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier are at 1.73 GF/60, which comes to 32 even strength goals. Lafreniere is on pace for 29 even strength points.
I think I just diagnosed Lafreniere.
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That was arguably the worst passing I've seen from them all season long. Very sloppy and poor execution. But at least the effort was there and they were able to come back. All night the D had awful pinches that lead to odd man rushes. Nemeth looks even worse in person than he does on TV. The only D I didn't notice was Braun. Fox has been underwhelming, even in the offensive zone. Hopefully he's not breaking down, after this week he'll be hitting over 70 games for the first time.
When Igor is locked in he's amazing. He was hung out to dry all night but one or two of the goals it looked like he was out of position which is rare for him.
Gauthier is really useless. I don't think Chytil has chemistry with anyone, he's a weird player. Not good enough for top 6, but is getting wasted on the 3rd line. Would be a good candidate for young player swap.
When Igor is locked in he's amazing. He was hung out to dry all night but one or two of the goals it looked like he was out of position which is rare for him.
Gauthier is really useless. I don't think Chytil has chemistry with anyone, he's a weird player. Not good enough for top 6, but is getting wasted on the 3rd line. Would be a good candidate for young player swap.
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I'd love to swap Copp and Strome to balance out lines. Maybe Strome can help get Laf and Chytil going. Then late in the game you can always bump him back up.
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Vatrano has been great for this team, he actually shoots the puck. Mika almost put one home in the 1st on a juicy rebound and then cashed in in the 3rd. We need more guys shooting/shooting for rebounds especially with Kreider, Laf, Zib, Chytil all being big guys with hands around the net.
Machinehead
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That's the puzzle I'm working on right now.
I want Lafreniere back with guys who can score but I absolutely love Vatrano on that top line. I might try something like this when Kakko is back:
20-93-77
10-18-72
13-16-24
Yes, it's the "third line" but that's meaningless when you have three good lines.
The Kid Line actually wasn't bad and Laf and Kakko had chemistry, they just didn't have enough offensive flair. Strome would be perfect for them.
Chytil, who is fairly effective but lacks bite in the offensive zone, gets his perfect solution in Panarin. He also gets a faceoff man in Copp. Panarin loves grinders and he's way more engaged when he's playing with two more "grindy" players and he's the clear focal point of the offense. When it's him and Strome, they just devolve into playing catch with each other.
Machinehead
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I think being with Strome takes Panarin out of his natural tendency to focus the offense on himself.
In saying that, I'm not implying that Panarin is selfish or a bad teammate. First of all, every single player with that level of talent should have that kind of initiative. Also, I think we see quite the opposite effect. He knows Strome is creative also and he wants to include him. Strome is having the same effect. He wants to do his thing but at the same time it's like "oh, that's Artemi Panarin, he needs the puck." The natural conclusion of that is always going to be them passing to each other back and forth while accomplishing nothing. Sometimes it results in very nice goals which is why the Rangers like it, but it mostly results in nothing hockey.
Instead of sticking to his game, Panarin seems like he's always playing along the lines of "what's my next move towards getting the puck to Strome?" It really takes him out of his defense and forecheck routine.
This is most evident in the zone entries. Last night, Panarin was beating the first man 1v1 (something he's the best in the league at), potentially drawing a slide, and taking it deep where he has three guys to pass to once the rush catches up to him. Most of the season, he's been crossing the line, stopping, and looking for Strome immediately while beating nobody.
In saying that, I'm not implying that Panarin is selfish or a bad teammate. First of all, every single player with that level of talent should have that kind of initiative. Also, I think we see quite the opposite effect. He knows Strome is creative also and he wants to include him. Strome is having the same effect. He wants to do his thing but at the same time it's like "oh, that's Artemi Panarin, he needs the puck." The natural conclusion of that is always going to be them passing to each other back and forth while accomplishing nothing. Sometimes it results in very nice goals which is why the Rangers like it, but it mostly results in nothing hockey.
Instead of sticking to his game, Panarin seems like he's always playing along the lines of "what's my next move towards getting the puck to Strome?" It really takes him out of his defense and forecheck routine.
This is most evident in the zone entries. Last night, Panarin was beating the first man 1v1 (something he's the best in the league at), potentially drawing a slide, and taking it deep where he has three guys to pass to once the rush catches up to him. Most of the season, he's been crossing the line, stopping, and looking for Strome immediately while beating nobody.
romba
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Ice was shit again. Mika opted to shoot likely because of it it and to change things up, probably his first straight up shot on the SO this year. He's been money with his dekes. Panarin backed Jones wayyyyy back into his net, his positioning indicated that he was cowering in fear, puck just hopped on Panarin I think and he missed his shot. Chytil had a nice move but once again couldn't figure out a way to get it over the desperation pad after he faked Jones out.
How many clear breakways did we give up? 3? 4? Plus a few partials. Igor stopped them all. We can't play so loose!
We hit like 3 posts and the cross bar, very unlucky game overall.
Fox is overthinking and telegraphing his passes. Had CK open in from on the PP, stared him down and then passed it, easy intercept. No looking off defenders then no look passes, his confidence is SHOT. He still uses shoulder fakes and agility to break Ds down and carry the puck down the boards but teams have learned if he gets by your first line of defense, leave him be and cover the passing options. Fox then just brings it back up to the other point and the opposition breathes a sigh of relief. Defensively, he has 1-2 egregious errors a a game, usually bringing the puck around our net and gets pickpocketed for a golden low slot chance. Trouba used to do these regularly but has corrected that part of his game.
Our passing chemistry, despite the gaudy numbers, was off. Maybe it was the crappy ice? Our 1st period breakout passes were constantly in skates and sent to the wrong backhand side leading to turnovers. Throughout the game our rushes ended up turned the other because of passes to the backhand. Multiple 2 on 1s ended up being nothing due to this, even a Mika CK one. Goodrow was wide open in front for a bang bang one timer that was passed too far back and he missed it completely.
Teams are staying back on us in the NZ an waiting for mistakes. Against Pitt our passes were crisp and spot on and we were able to make our way into the O zone with possession. Last night it didn't work even when it looked like we had some time and space in the NZ- why dump and chase when there's some room to break in, except the passing was turned the other way anyway.
@SnowblindNYR Igor's first two weren't great but one was from a prime shooting area, and I didn't see if he was screened on the other. Number 3 was practically a 2 on 0. Please don't compare his performance yesterday to Geo's.
How many clear breakways did we give up? 3? 4? Plus a few partials. Igor stopped them all. We can't play so loose!
We hit like 3 posts and the cross bar, very unlucky game overall.
Fox is overthinking and telegraphing his passes. Had CK open in from on the PP, stared him down and then passed it, easy intercept. No looking off defenders then no look passes, his confidence is SHOT. He still uses shoulder fakes and agility to break Ds down and carry the puck down the boards but teams have learned if he gets by your first line of defense, leave him be and cover the passing options. Fox then just brings it back up to the other point and the opposition breathes a sigh of relief. Defensively, he has 1-2 egregious errors a a game, usually bringing the puck around our net and gets pickpocketed for a golden low slot chance. Trouba used to do these regularly but has corrected that part of his game.
Our passing chemistry, despite the gaudy numbers, was off. Maybe it was the crappy ice? Our 1st period breakout passes were constantly in skates and sent to the wrong backhand side leading to turnovers. Throughout the game our rushes ended up turned the other because of passes to the backhand. Multiple 2 on 1s ended up being nothing due to this, even a Mika CK one. Goodrow was wide open in front for a bang bang one timer that was passed too far back and he missed it completely.
Teams are staying back on us in the NZ an waiting for mistakes. Against Pitt our passes were crisp and spot on and we were able to make our way into the O zone with possession. Last night it didn't work even when it looked like we had some time and space in the NZ- why dump and chase when there's some room to break in, except the passing was turned the other way anyway.
@SnowblindNYR Igor's first two weren't great but one was from a prime shooting area, and I didn't see if he was screened on the other. Number 3 was practically a 2 on 0. Please don't compare his performance yesterday to Geo's.
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romba
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Ahhh there you are, you've miraculously awakened after a loss again what're the odds
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because kid had a great game. Shouldn't GG be boosting confidence in our kids when they do well, like a reward?
True, much pressure......but even still. Besides Strome was out. lol.
Machinehead
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@DanielBrassard sort of alluded to this before.
If we play great at 5v5 and we go out because Igor hit a wall having never played this many games before, I'm losing exactly zero minutes of sleep over that during the summer.
If we play great at 5v5 and we go out because Igor hit a wall having never played this many games before, I'm losing exactly zero minutes of sleep over that during the summer.
