Post-Game Talk: fly

[EdJovanovski]

Panarin’s little excited run after the Copp goal was so cute

 

[Machinehead]

Quite a few shots off the posts and crossbar; Martin Jones outplayed Igor Shesterkin; our powerplay came up goose eggs... those are variances that you could safely expect to swing the other way for you. OTOH, I don't think that our shot totals or chances for/against numbers were necessarily indicative of a dominant performance. The Flyers had very few shots through the first two periods, but the shots they had were in large part odd man rushes and breakaways.

They weren't playing down, but if they played the way they did against a good team, they'd get wrecked. The Braun-Nemeth pairing for instance did pretty well by the numbers, but I didn't see them manage a single clean pass between the two of them the entire game. They faced the bottom of the Flyers lineup which shouldn't threaten anyone, so yes, the chances against were low, but those two were definitely dragging down the offense significantly. They end up positive in the ledger, but a deeper more competitive opponent would've taken advantage of that pair, the way they played last night.

I do agree that the Flyers were very threatening when they did have the puck but I also tend to think that odd-man-rush chances are more anxiety-inducing than they deserve, statistically. Between 75 and 85% of them don't result in a goal.

 

[duhmetreE]

Have we?

I seem to recall folks complaining that we can't beat playoff teams. Until we could. Variance remains undefeated.

Now we can't beat bad teams.

If you're that worried how we play against "bad teams," I got news for you: they're ain't gonna be any soon.

There has been one loud voice about not being able to beat playoff teams... and that was squashed months ago.

I question the teams 'cockiness' or over-confidence. It has happened frequently up 2-0. They stop competing. IMO a part of it is vocal leadership. We still do not have it.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Panarin’s little excited run after the Copp goal was so cute

Yeah, that was great.

This is why the shootout is trash. We should be talking about our awesome comeback from down 3-0 in the third period but instead we "lost" the game because of a skills competition.

Too bad we didn't score on that power play late after we tied it or in OT. It's not like the chances weren't there.

 

[Machinehead]

There has been one loud voice about not being able to beat playoff teams... and that was squashed months ago.

I question the teams 'cockiness' or over-confidence. It has happened frequently up 2-0. They stop competing. IMO a part of it is vocal leadership. We still do not have it.

You need to watch the rest of the league more (and it's not just you).

All the shit we complain about happens to every team.

Everyone loses games to bad teams. Everyone blows 2-0 leads. Playing "the whole 60 minutes" isn't real.

I've never heard the saying "it's the most dangerous lead in hockey...if you're the Rangers."

 

[duhmetreE]

You need to watch the rest of the league more (and it's not just you).

All the shit we complain about happens to every team.

Everyone loses games to bad teams. Everyone blows 2-0 leads. Playing "the whole 60 minutes" isn't real.

I've never heard the saying "it's the most dangerous lead in hockey...if you're the Rangers."

I watch more hockey than I care to admit and it's why I have the opinion I have.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I think lindgren’s play is straining Fox. Fox has been off for a bit now

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I wouldn't worry about it. It's just a bad matchup for us.

We faced a tight formation last night and broke them down with a tip goal and a rebound goal. We can do it.

I like positive Machinehead.

 

[Peltz]

Vatrano has one of the best releases/shots I can remember... maybe since Gaborik? He puts a lot more on it than Gaborik though

It’s still Zibanejad for me. He’s the only dude on the team who can rip slappers from the top of the circle that go in fairly consistently. Vatrano’s release is sneakier for sure. But I’m willing to bet Zib’s shot is harder/faster if we timed both.

 

[Machinehead]

I watch more hockey than I care to admit and it's why I have the opinion I have.

Then you were surely watching when the best team in the East fell behind 6-2 to the Devils?

And then the Devils blew a 4 goal lead?

 

[Machinehead]

I like positive Machinehead.

Positive Machinehead lasts as long as our strong play does

 

[duhmetreE]

Then you were surely watching when the best team in the East fell behind 6-2 to the Devils?

And then the Devils blew a 4 goal lead?

What does that have to do with what I'm talking about? You preach 'don't look into one game' and are using one game as a basis for what?

Like I've said, it's human nature. Playing down to your opponent is a real thing. You are the one who opined it didn't exist in the NHL.

How many 2-0 leads have Florida relinquished? Florida's style and attack is consistent. Every team has 'off games'. The dichotomy of our play-style is way more pronounced. We go from 'world beaters' playing the right way to pond hockey east/west floaters.

 

[Machinehead]

What does that have to do with what I'm talking about? You preach 'don't look into one game' and are using one game as a basis for what?

Like I've said, it's human nature. Playing down to your opponent is a real thing. You are the one who opined it didn't exist in the NHL.

How many 2-0 leads have Florida relinquished? Florida's style and attack is consistent. Every team has 'off games'. The dichotomy of our play-style is way more pronounced. We go from 'world beaters' playing the right way to pond hockey east/west floaters.

I'm using examples of wider trends. You're propping up a great game where we got unlucky as an example of all the things you decided you don't like because you're mad we lost.

There's a difference.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

There has been one loud voice about not being able to beat playoff teams... and that was squashed months ago.

I question the teams 'cockiness' or over-confidence. It has happened frequently up 2-0. They stop competing. IMO a part of it is vocal leadership. We still do not have it.

As much as they poo poo it, I do think we need to get a captain named for this reason precisely next year. It's one thing if they still had Hank in goal who was largely a de facto captain in times of absence, but it's absurd to have 6 guys the team should look to equally. Kreider, Ziba, Fox, Trouba, they'll all have been here for years at that point and you can't go wrong with any of them.

I feel like they are making too big a deal out of it because of what happened with McD.

 

[Machinehead]

This is how I look at some of the takes in our PGT's

 

[Tob]

The shootout selections by some coaches just proves if they weren't a NHL coach per se, they would be as bad as some drunk pretzel munching moron in a Del Zotto jersey at the garden asking for the team to put Phillip Cheedle out for the shootout.

 

[Machinehead]

The shootout selections by some coaches just proves if they weren't a NHL coach per se, they would be as bad as some drunk pretzel munching moron in a Del Zotto jersey asking for the team to put Phillip Cheedle out for the shootout.

Thank you, Tob.

 

[MrPodz]

If you guys can find it, there are some articles about the reffing issue. A lot of refs retired and they have been struggling to find good refs who arent rookies. As a result officiating is dog shit like the weak call on panarin and a few ganes ago lindgren and so on. I think the problem is the speed. The game is getting too fast to be accurate unless there is an egregious penalty.

I dont know why this board had a meltdown. We had 46 shots and igor, outside of the first two goals was solid. He performed to expectation today. Hunkered down and I am not worrying about it. Look, quite frankly, we played like dogshit before the tdl. We did the same thing when we were with quinn except we didnt give up like we did with quinn. We chose quality shots and were getting outchanced night in and night out. Our team since the tdl posseses the puck more than any other team, and we have two key injuries in kakko and strome. Thats a 2c and a 2rw. Even then, we are still dominating. Chillax people. This team is only going to get better as we ramp up.

You know why we have been having close games? Because our goalies save percentage is 2nd worst in the league, behind det. That makes sense when you have a basically new line comp for everyone and people are figuring out chemistry and the system. Give it time and we will be even better defensively. I am happy with the outcome. We should have won but didnt because jones decided he was in sjs playing for the cup.

 

[CasusBelli]

Went to this one. Terrible first. Mina woke up in the second. Looked good much of the third. Refs screwed us biftome with the Panarin call and the inexplicably reversed delay of game penalty against the Flyers. Hate to say it, but it seemed rigged, not that our PP got anything going in the first place. But most of all: really, Igor, that first goal? And the second? Thought Geo was in net. And why Chytl was tapped for the third SO round is beyond me.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm using examples of wider trends. You're propping up a great game where we got unlucky as an example of all the things you decided you don't like because you're mad we lost.

There's a difference.

I'm not talking about one game but a trend that's been there all season and arguably with this core for years.

I'm not anywhere close to mad... have no clue where you come up with these things.

 

[Machinehead]

The officiating is part of the whole "nobody is really bad" shtick. They want games to be close.

The NHL got on this massive trip after that lockout that extreme parity is the way to go and sports fans want everything to be close all the time.

Personally, I want quite the opposite. I want gods throwing mountains at each other like in the f***ing Iliad. If it's the not the Rangers, I absolutely want Tampa back in the Finals again.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not talking about one game but a trend that's been there all season and arguably with this core for years.

I'm not anywhere close to mad... have no clue where you come up with these things.

What's the trend? That we "play down" (e.g. have 46 shots?) to competition?

Every team in the league says hello.

 

[Machinehead]

That's every team in the league **except Montreal** btw.

They have nobody to play down to.

 

[Crease]

Not for nothing, the fans probably have more of a relationship with the Islanders, Devils, and Flyers than the current roster does.

They have no issue getting up against Florida, Tampa, and Pittsburgh. Which is what will matter in April anyway.

 

[Chaels Arms]

The officiating is part of the whole "nobody is really bad" shtick. They want games to be close.

The NHL got on this massive trip after that lockout that extreme parity is the way to go and sports fans want everything to be close all the time.

Personally, I want quite the opposite. I want gods throwing mountains at each other like in the f***ing Iliad. If it's the not the Rangers, I absolutely want Tampa back in the Finals again.

Agreed.

A few weeks ago someone posted clips of the Patrick Roy vs. Mike Vernon fight. I believe it was the anniversary of that game. It made me realize I'll never get to watch two teams stacked top to bottom with hall of famers really throw down in meaningful NHL games again.