Florida Panthers beat Toronto Maple leafs 4-1, advance to ECF

[JimmyApples]

I know people like to say that, but Florida didn't win this series because Tkachuk or Barkov outplayed Matthews and Marner. The Leafs core outplayed the Florida core just as they did the Tampa core the round earlier, however the Florida depth players significantly outplayed the Leafs depth.

I also don't think Samsonov allows that OT winner in Game 3 as it was a bad goal, or the weak Ekblad goal in Game 5.

Hahah, the “Sore Four” didn’t outplay anybody last series. $40M for 3 goals between them all, zero for Matthews and Tavares.

 

[habsterr]

Congrats to Florida on a well hard fought win. Toronto core is complete trash.

 

[pb1300]

I know people like to say that, but Florida didn't win this series because Tkachuk or Barkov outplayed Matthews and Marner. The Leafs core outplayed the Florida core just as they did the Tampa core the round earlier, however the Florida depth players significantly outplayed the Leafs depth.

I also don't think Samsonov allows that OT winner in Game 3 as it was a bad goal, or the weak Ekblad goal in Game 5.

Barkov was a reason why your core did not score shit, and Tkachuk was better than any of the core of the Leafs.

And they were not better than the Lightning in Round 1, Vasi shit the bed. That is very well agreed upon, aside from the obvious lol

 

[MCR74]

They can try to show up... but Florida has a Kachook brother.

I've never seen a player like Mattchew Kachook.

He reminds me of a Prime Eric Lindros, but more skilled and a little less truculence. He is the EVOLVED version of Lindros.

That trade for Huberdeau and Weegar was an absolute steal of the century.

Hopefully the other Kachook is taking notes. Matthew is probably the best contract in the league at this point.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I know people like to say that, but Florida didn't win this series because Tkachuk or Barkov outplayed Matthews and Marner. The Leafs core outplayed the Florida core just as they did the Tampa core the round earlier, however the Florida depth players significantly outplayed the Leafs depth.

I also don't think Samsonov allows that OT winner in Game 3 as it was a bad goal, or the weak Ekblad goal in Game 5.

Lmao what

 

[Divine]

Barkov was a reason why your core did not score shit, and Tkachuk was better than any of the core of the Leafs.

And they were not better than the Lightning in Round 1, Vasi shit the bed. That is very well agreed upon, aside from the obvious lol

The posts in this thread seem to suggest the opposite, that Matthews choked and Barkov was ass.

If we're blaming Vasi for the Lightning's first round loss, it should be equally fair to point out the Leafs lost half their games this series with their AHL starter this season - I'm sure that could have been a factor.

 

[MikeFolignosHelmet]

Leafs should have drank more BioSteel

 

[pb1300]

The posts in this thread seem to suggest the opposite, that Matthews choked and Barkov was ass.

If we're blaming Vasi for the Lightning's first round loss, it should be equally fair to point out the Leafs lost half their games this series with their AHL starter this season - I'm sure that could have been a factor.

Go look at Barkov's defensive zone stats. He, unlike Matthews, does not have to score goals to be a factor on the ice. And it wasnt just AM. It was Tavares, Marner, and for the most part, Nylander. Your best line was your 4th line lol.

And yes, the first round the Leafs won because Vasi shit the bed. EVERYONE knew the Lightning outplayed the Leafs, yet some of you delusional ones want to claim otherwise, for some reason.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

The posts in this thread seem to suggest the opposite, that Matthews choked and Barkov was ass.

If we're blaming Vasi for the Lightning's first round loss, it should be equally fair to point out the Leafs lost half their games this series with their AHL starter this season - I'm sure that could have been a factor.

To be fair, that AHL starter had better numbers in the playoffs.

 

[Divine]

Go look at Barkov's defensive zone stats. He, unlike Matthews, does not have to score goals to be a factor on the ice. And it wasnt just AM. It was Tavares, Marner, and for the most part, Nylander. Your best line was your 4th line lol.

And yes, the first round the Leafs won because Vasi shit the bed. EVERYONE knew the Lightning outplayed the Leafs, yet some of you delusional ones want to claim otherwise, for some reason.

Vasi is a part of the team. He's going to be shitting the bed next year too. It's on the Lightning, not on the Leafs that their goalie sucks. Woll/Samsonov shit the bed against Bob too, is that Florida's fault?

To be fair, that AHL starter had better numbers in the playoffs

And Lyon had better numbers than Bob in the playoffs until Florida kept going back to him

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Vasi is a part of the team. He's going to be shitting the bed next year too. It's on the Lightning, not on the Leafs that their goalie sucks.



And Lyon had better numbers than Bob in the playoffs until Florida kept going back to him

So, until Bob played the Leafs. Not sure what that whataboutism says about the Leafs Goalie situation, as Samsonov played more games than Woll, and, despite having a few more wins, he had worse numbers.

 

[Divine]

So, until Bob played the Leafs. Not sure what that whataboutism says about the Leafs Goalie situation, as Samsonov played more games than Woll, and, despite having a few more wins, he had worse numbers.

Bob had worse numbers than Lyon... but for some reason Florida switched to Bob until he found his game, probably because he's a proven NHL goalie just as Samsonov is.

You play with your NHL starter. The scoring always goes down later in the series. The same thing happened against Tampa. First few games have higher scores and then the teams tighten up. I don't know why you're arguing Woll is better than Samsonov when Samsonov was the goalie who won a round against Tampa. Do you think the Leafs sweep Tampa with Woll or something? It's okay to admit Toronto lost their starting goaltender, and the goalie who was their AHL starting goalie this year had to play.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Bob had worse numbers than Lyon... but for some reason Florida switched to Bob until he found his game, probably because he's a proven NHL goalie just as Samsonov is.

You play with your NHL starter. The scoring always goes down later in the series. The same thing happened against Tampa. First few games have higher scores and then the teams tighten up. I don't know why you're arguing Woll is better than Samsonov when Samsonov was the goalie who won a round against Tampa. Do you think the Leafs sweep Tampa with Woll or something? It's okay to admit Toronto lost their starting goaltender, and the goalie who was their AHL starting goalie this year had to play.

It's Toronto's fault for having such an injury prone goaltending duo.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Bob had worse numbers than Lyon.

You play with your NHL starter. The scoring always goes down later in the series. The same thing happened against Tampa. First few games have higher scores and then the teams tighten up. I don't know why you're arguing Woll is better than Samsonov when Samsonov was the goalie who won a round against Tampa. Do you think the Leafs sweep Tampa with Woll or something? It's okay to admit Toronto lost thier starter.

In the playoffs, Bob has better numbers than Lyon. Of course, most of those better numbers came against the Leafs, so I don't know if we should trust them.

And no, I'm not going with what ifs about how Woll would have done against Tampa. Just saying exactly what I said, Woll had the better numbers, except in the win column, so the AHL starter excuse might not be as strong as you are claiming.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Toronto is a good team, so many good teams never get their Cups - Prongers Blues, Alfie’s Sens, Luongos Canucks.

Might just be one of those teams we don’t appreacite until all the players are retired

I think what I'll remember about this team is how the media hypes up their players and then they payed those players based off that hype and that got in the way of truly building a contender that is actually tough in the playoffs. Fans couldn't see past that hype either until now.

 

[Divine]

In the playoffs, Bob has better numbers than Lyon. Of course, most of those better numbers came against the Leafs, so I don't know if we should trust them.

And no, I'm not going with what ifs about how Woll would have done against Tampa. Just saying exactly what I said, Woll had the better numbers, except in the win column, so the AHL starter excuse might not be as strong as you are claiming.

Samsonov had the better numbers if you actually look at scoring chances, and most importantly, wins.

The Leafs tightened and adapted defensively as the series progressed. Samsonov was up 1-0 against Florida in Game 3, and Woll came in and had an .857 save percentage to lose Toronto that game (to Samsonov's shutout).

In Game 4, Florida did basically nothing. I actually think Samsonov gets a shutout that game as the Florida goal was weak and went right through Woll's legs. Game 5, the Ekblad goal was a bad goal.

I think Woll *could* be the goalie of the future, but he wasn't so far and we both know if Samsonov was healthy, he would have been playing over Woll.

 

[Tuna99]

I think what I'll remember about this team is how the media hypes up their players and then they payed those players based off that hype and that got in the way of truly building a contender that is actually tough in the playoffs. Fans couldn't see past that hype either until now.

I think if Lefas fans have believe the hype on anything it’s that their blue line is Stanley Cup caliber. Need a serious upgrade on D, an identity guy

 

[koyvoo]

Marner is a literal MVP maker but you can’t excuse this sort of discrepancy between regular season and playoff production, over such a large sample now.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

So..... We wanted Florida so badly eh.... This is why you never cheer to play certain teams. not saying if Leafs fans didnt make this chant that the results would be different but gave them a reason to Want no to Need to beat us.
We just straight up were not good enough and Florida played one hell of a series and the best of luck to them moving forward


I wouldn't call Samsonov their back up or starting back up. the guy earned the role as starter and it was based off his play. I mean Murray didnt make it hard for him but let's not pretend that Samsonov had a horrible season, he did much better than people gave him credit for. Murray on the other hand was exactly what people said he was

He also didn't have anyone to challenge him for it. Leafs didn't have the ability to bring in another guy, the only 2 options were Matt Murray, or the dude they clearly brought in to back up.

 

[Stammertime91]

They played pretty well without their #1G.

Could have been worse, could have lost in the first round with their #1G.

You're right. Then again, some #1's have multiple cups so they probably aren't losing any sleep.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[I am not exposed]

You need to be a rocket scientist to understand that ridiculous assumption of yours. So Nylander goal still happens IF the goal was called. Interesting

I'm glad you brought this up. See fans doing it all the time. Hell Panther fans were doing it after our loss this series for the flukey goal against.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Didn't Toronto learn from New York teams not to want teams from Fl?

 

[Fatass]

Barkov was a reason why your core did not score shit, and Tkachuk was better than any of the core of the Leafs.

And they were not better than the Lightning in Round 1, Vasi shit the bed. That is very well agreed upon, aside from the obvious lol

Could we say the Leafs were outplayed in all the games except for their blowout win v Tampa?

 

[pb1300]

Could we say the Leafs were outplayed in all the games except for their blowout win v Tampa?

They weren't though. They outplayed the Panthers at times, I will admit that. The Panthers are just a beast 5 on 5, are a hitting machine, and forecheck relentlessly, which counters the Leafs game quite well.

Against the Lightning, they definitely were outplayed though, as most sane hockey fans agree on.