Flint Firebirds 2021-22 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Generalsupdates]

Easily the worst one of this year when it comes to the refs.

Cavallin gets an automatic 2 games for the "instigator" in the final 5 minutes right? Can they review that as Coughlin was just taking cheap shots?

He gets an auto 2 for leaving the crease to fight as well. Don't knwo if that means 2+2 for 4 or they are just 2 total. Technically it's 2 different 2 game misconducts so could be 4. That would suck

 

[Bellof]

Hey!!! Should we completely revamp our hockey message board in August or during the stretch run in mid-March? Let’s do March. Definetly March.

 

[Bellof]

I would speculate but If I had the misfortune to inadvertantly come up with one.... Well it would be torches and pitchforks for me I'm sure.

The first clue would be your MasterCard being canceled

 

[Toldyaso]

The first clue would be your MasterCard being canceled

What about Visa?

 

[bcspragu]

Yeah they can review it and change it. I don’t see Luke being a clear cut FIGHT instigator there. We’ll see. Who knows what will happen in this league? There will be check to the head suspension on that Mayotte hit likely.

Only reason I think they may have gave him the instigator is he pulled the guy out of a separate altercation and had gloves off throwing punches while the Guelph player never dropped his (I dont think he ever did even). I have zero idea what the wording in the rulebook is on that though.

 

[dirty12]

Only reason I think they may have gave him the instigator is he pulled the guy out of a separate altercation and had gloves off throwing punches while the Guelph player never dropped his (I dont think he ever did even). I have zero idea what the wording in the rulebook is on that though.

Cavallin left his crease after the whistle to rag doll the Guelph player with less than 2 min remaining; that’s probably a suspendable offence in itself. But it appeared to me that Cavallin waited for the Guelph player to clearly be the fight instigator before throwing punches.

 

[bcspragu]

Cavallin left his crease after the whistle to rag doll the Guelph player with less than 2 min remaining; that’s probably a suspendable offence in itself. But it appeared to me that Cavallin waited for the Guelph player to clearly be the fight instigator before throwing punches.

Here is the rule book definition on what constitutes an instigator penalty.

Actions pursuing an opponent who was unwilling? Check (he ragdolled the guelph player out of a separate altercation who wasnt even looking at him)

Distance traveled? Check (it's already a penalty to leave his crease and he did so)

Gloves off first? Check (hes the only one who even dropped the gloves)

First punch? Eh this ones debate.

Menacing attitude? Check

Verbal taunts? No idea what he was saying to ref when he looked his way

Retribution for previous incident? Unless you consider the scrum he pulled the player out of a previous incident then probably not
If after a legal or illegal (the head check behind the net clearly illegal and should be a suspension for that Guelph player) a teammate of the hit player immediately fights an opponent the teammate of the hit player will be deemed the instigator.

Depends on the refs definition of "immediate"



Look, I dont even think it was wrong of Cav to do what he did. He was protecting his teammate But that's how its laid out and you can be a fight instigator while still being in the right (I would actually argue that every dude who gets an instigator feels like they are sticking up for a teammate). It's the whole last 5 minutes of the game part that is going to screw him over which is a problem with the league in and of itself.

 

[TcNorth]

Unfortunate ending, but a great win with both Windsor and The Soo winning. Tag Bertuzzi has been outstanding and giving us more than most of us thought he had in him. Dent has been outstanding too. However, wish our backup goalies have seen a little more action with Luke’s upcoming suspension.

 

[ohloutsider]

Yea bit of questionable timing but looking like they are getting the wrinkles ironed out. I recommend the dark mode theme. The default looks like a weird high contrast for people with vision challenges if you ask me.

Thanks for the "dark mode" suggestion. I like it much better.

 

[Savard18]

Well, during the game we were talking about needing to get Cavallin a little more rest and Day and Michelone some playing time. 3-4+ games in a row vs the Soo and Windsor wasn’t exactly how I wanted to see it happen though. All 4 major contenders in the West are now having some level of goaltending issues. I guess we’re gonna see how good they can do without Cav vs some big time teams for a few. Let’s just hope we get lucky and they give him 2 and not 6 or something. I’m not sure about Mayotte but it looks like they’re probably gonna be without Keppen for a bit too. So that’s no Cavallin, Keppen, Kressler and possibly Mayotte. I guess we’re gonna see if the depth is as good as we thought. Tag keeps playing like he has recently would be a huge help. Also wanted to point out Othmann has a pair of fighting majors now too. He HAS to keep himself in check from here on out. Same goes for Piercey too. Petrou played good last night, Assinewai can contribute. I wouldn’t mind seeing MacLean get in as a D for a game or two unless they’re actually planning on shifting him to F full time. He’s shown an ability to scrap, so I’d have him in the lineup next Guelph game for sure.

 

[MJ5]

Well, during the game we were talking about needing to get Cavallin a little more rest and Day and Michelone some playing time. 3-4+ games in a row vs the Soo and Windsor wasn’t exactly how I wanted to see it happen though. All 4 major contenders in the West are now having some level of goaltending issues. I guess we’re gonna see how good they can do without Cav vs some big time teams for a few. Let’s just hope we get lucky and they give him 2 and not 6 or something. I’m not sure about Mayotte but it looks like they’re probably gonna be without Keppen for a bit too. So that’s no Cavallin, Keppen, Kressler and possibly Mayotte. I guess we’re gonna see if the depth is as good as we thought. Tag keeps playing like he has recently would be a huge help. Also wanted to point out Othmann has a pair of fighting majors now too. He HAS to keep himself in check from here on out. Same goes for Piercey too. Petrou played good last night, Assinewai can contribute. I wouldn’t mind seeing MacLean get in as a D for a game or two unless they’re actually planning on shifting him to F full time. He’s shown an ability to scrap, so I’d have him in the lineup next Guelph game for sure.

Next problem for depth will be rookies dressing. You can only dress 4 correct?

Day will have to dress, Hay, Bertucci, and Petrovski would be my 4. So MacLean wouldn't even be able to dress for an added body.

Assinewai and Petrou will be getting some minutes for sure.

 

[Toldyaso]

Next problem for depth will be rookies dressing. You can only dress 4 correct?

Day will have to dress, Hay, Bertucci, and Petrovski would be my 4. So MacLean wouldn't even be able to dress for an added body.

Assinewai and Petrou will be getting some minutes for sure.

It isn't actually rookies that are limited to 4. Pretty sure it's the 16 yr old rookies. MacLean came in the U18 draft along with Micheleone so I'm pretty sure he doesn't fall in that category.

 

[hockeylegend11]

You are correct re 16 year old rookies 4 per game although post trade deadline you can dress 5 if u acquired a 16 year old in a trade,as well emergency basis allow for 5 -16 year old guys.

 

[bcspragu]

2 games per the OHL media notes page. At least that's all it is.

 

[MJ5]

You are correct re 16 year old rookies 4 per game although post trade deadline you can dress 5 if u acquired a 16 year old in a trade,as well emergency basis allow for 5 -16 year old guys.

That's good to know, so although we didn't acquire a 16 year old, because of possible injuries, and suspensions, we might be able to dress a 5th?

 

[Toldyaso]

2 games per the OHL media notes page. At least that's all it is.

Sounds about right. While the instigator is certainly arguable he left the crease and that is undeniable.

 

[Savard18]

2 games per the OHL media notes page. At least that's all it is.

Huh. That’s weird. League offices are closed on the weekend and they never announce suspensions. I wonder if the automatic 2 goes up on the site, yet their may be more? If it’s just two, that’s pretty good news even if you watch the whole thing unfold it’s not really something you’d think would warrant a suspension. Rules are rules though and just two games at this point in the season with everything so tight would be fortunate. The health of Keppen is a concern. Mayotte too but I think he’s gonna be fine pretty quick. Kressler is coming up on near 40 games missed. I wonder if “New Busby” is done for the year. A roster with Keppen AND Kressler on it would be HUGE for their post season chances.

 

[Toldyaso]

Huh. That’s weird. League offices are closed on the weekend and they never announce suspensions. I wonder if the automatic 2 goes up on the site, yet their may be more? If it’s just two, that’s pretty good news even if you watch the whole thing unfold it’s not really something you’d think would warrant a suspension. Rules are rules though and just two games at this point in the season with everything so tight would be fortunate. The health of Keppen is a concern. Mayotte too but I think he’s gonna be fine pretty quick. Kressler is coming up on near 40 games missed. I wonder if “New Busby” is done for the year. A roster with Keppen AND Kressler on it would be HUGE for their post season chances.

Well I don't think that is the case with Cavallin. It clearly says 2 games with a return date of next Sunday. Perrot on the other hand says a minimum of 2 games return date TBD so I think that's it for Cav. I'm thinking Cavs was a set punishment infraction per the rule book. Nothing there that required a review for severity like a hit to the head which surprising is nowhere in sight so far for the hit on Mayotte

 

[MJ5]

Well I don't think that is the case with Cavallin. It clearly says 2 games with a return date of next Sunday. Perrot on the other hand says a minimum of 2 games return date TBD so I think that's it for Cav. I'm thinking Cavs was a set punishment infraction per the rule book. Nothing there that required a review for severity like a hit to the head which surprising is nowhere in sight so far for the hit on Mayotte

I was shocked by that as well to see Cavallin on there, but no signs of Pauquette.

 

[Toldyaso]

They do qualify the list as not necessarily being a complete listing. So he could still show up there I suppose.

I was shocked by that as well to see Cavallin on there, but no signs of Pauquette.

The following list of suspensions is for information purposes only. It should not be construed as necessarily a complete listing of all suspensions.

 

[MJ5]

 

[Toldyaso]

I approve. Seems like the sensible thing to do at this point in time.

 

[MJ5]

I approve. Seems like the sensible thing to do at this point in time.

Absolutely, hoping hes as good of a GM as he is a coach. Been very impressed with him this year.

 

[Northernstormfan]

Easily the worst one of this year when it comes to the refs.

Cavallin gets an automatic 2 games for the "instigator" in the final 5 minutes right? Can they review that as Coughlin was just taking cheap shots?

Actually the automatic 2 games comes from Cavallin leaving his crease not being the instigator.

 

[Savard18]

After about the 30 game mark or so, my biggest concern with Dent became him jumping back to the A after pulling something off like Coach of the Year and/or a Western Conf or OHL Finals appearance. I’d like to see Rolf lock him up for another 2-3-4 years. We know he can coach which is the more difficult of the two jobs IF he has decent scouts in place. This just allows him to go get the players he wants for his systems. Until proven otherwise I imagine he’ll be decent at recruiting.