Flint Firebirds 2018-19 Season Thread (Part 2)

[Generalsupdates]

what was ?

Lucas Rowe to Kingston

 

[WolvesFanSudbury]

Lucas Rowe to Kingston

Absolutely atrocious

 

[Generalsupdates]

I may be looking too deep into this but there has been a discrepency on what Rowe from LDN to Flnt cost. Could it be that he was 3rd (like Flint reported) but then Flint also gave 2 2nds to London to get them to convince Koly to report to Flint? Terry Doyle seems like he is kind of alluding to that

 

[Firebrd828]

Lucas Rowe to Kingston

I'm sick to my stomach....

 

[Tarantula]

Something seems a little "off"!

 

[bcspragu]

I may be looking too deep into this but there has been a discrepency on what Rowe from LDN to Flnt cost. Could it be that he was 3rd (like Flint reported) but then Flint also gave 2 2nds to London to get them to convince Koly to report to Flint? Terry Doyle seems like he is kind of alluding to that

Thats exactly how I read that. Price was increased to allow the Koly acquisition via waivers since he couldn't be "traded" in an official sense.

 

[Firebrd828]

I may be looking too deep into this but there has been a discrepency on what Rowe from LDN to Flnt cost. Could it be that he was 3rd (like Flint reported) but then Flint also gave 2 2nds to London to get them to convince Koly to report to Flint? Terry Doyle seems like he is kind of alluding to that...

It softens the blow a little bit to think of it in those terms, I guess. London still would have had to make one of their three Imports available on waivers.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Thats exactly how I read that. Price was increased to allow the Koly acquisition via waivers since he couldn't be "traded" in an official sense.

If that is the case, the Rowe experiment was still a brutal one (went down from 3rd round to 12th round for 10 games of him, 1 point). But 2 2nds for Koly isn't a bad deal, he seems like he's going to be really good and probably in the OHL for 2 years

 

[superdee]

Congrats to your family just an awesome story sadly many kids are out there desperate for a loving family. Thank Goodness your son has found one! Your pride rings loud!

My wife and I have fostered Native children for ten years. Good for you guys and I hope everything works out awesome for the three of you.

 

[bcspragu]

I'm not sure 100% how conditionals work in the OHL, but could the trade have been a conditional pick for Rowe, with the conditions being met if Koly reported to Flint via waivers?

 

[MJ5]

If that is the case, the Rowe experiment was still a brutal one (went down from 3rd round to 12th round for 10 games of him, 1 point). But 2 2nds for Koly isn't a bad deal, he seems like he's going to be really good and probably in the OHL for 2 years

Koly is easily the best dman Flint has ever had already.

 

[Firebrd828]

Koly is easily the best dman Flint has ever had already.

I've got to agree with that. He's literally gotten better with each game he's played with Flint, too.

 

[nofriendsinhockey]

what a gong show

 

[MJ5]

I've got to agree with that. He's literally gotten better with each game he's played with Flint, too.

100% and he seems to be more and more comfortable each game. Saturday there was a 2 on 1, and Koly wanted someone to take the other guy. He didn't. After Koly stood there talking to whoever the player was. Kid is amazing, all the way around.

 

[three dog night]

Flint got fleeced

 

[Savard18]

I can handle a 3rd down to a 12th to take a shot at a kid who was drafted 18th overall by London. 2 2nd's a 3rd is ridiculous though. I don't really wanna hear about Koly either. London HAD to release him. They had NO other choice. If the conditions were that Hunter convinces him to report to Flint? Isn't picking the kid up off of waivers and convincing him to report BRANCH'S job? Are we now paying London to do our recruiting for us? Let's just hope those conditionals were on x number of games played and he didn't reach that total. Koly may soften the blow because as stated he is the best D to ever put on orange and blue but that is one huge waste of assets if the conditions have been met.

 

[Packman]

No sense in dwelling on what can't be changed. Good thing is Flint got rid of Rowe and his attitude & good luck to Kingston with him.

 

[MJ5]

 

[MJ5]

So he says it's a 3rd?

 

[FirebirdsFan21]

So do we know the conditions on the Rowe pickup. Were they met?

 

[Wolfman Jack]

W

I may be looking too deep into this but there has been a discrepency on what Rowe from LDN to Flnt cost. Could it be that he was 3rd (like Flint reported) but then Flint also gave 2 2nds to London to get them to convince Koly to report to Flint? Terry Doyle seems like he is kind of alluding to that

Whatever the case is London and Flint did some back door dealing to get Koly to report. London obviously wanted to save face with the Import scouts, player agent and agency and Russian hockey federation. I really would like to know what those discussions entailed. What an embarrassment any which way you slice it. Rowe was used as a pond in all of it.

WJ

 

[TcNorth]

Regardless of the Rowe trade with London, wouldn't Koly still have been Flint's waiver pick without sending the two 2nd's?

 

[TcNorth]

Could of we just claimed Koly on waiver without Rowe and giving up picks?

 

[hockjock]

100% and he seems to be more and more comfortable each game. Saturday there was a 2 on 1, and Koly wanted someone to take the other guy. He didn't. After Koly stood there talking to whoever the player was. Kid is amazing, all the way around.

Got sources saying more than one kid wants out of Flint. What’s going on over there? The rumour mill is buzzing.

 

[TcNorth]

Why couldn’t Flint just have picked up Koly on Waivers?

 

[Firebrd828]

Okay, London fleeced Flint, but based upon what we saw of Rowe in Flint, Kingston got fleeced, too.

 

[Firebrd828]

Why couldn’t Flint just have picked up Koly on Waivers?

Because London didn’t have to release Koly. It could have been one of the other two Imports. London may have said, “We’d rather release xxxxxx. If you want us to release Koly instead, it’s gonna cost ya.”

 

[Savard18]

OHLInsiders. I don't pay much attention to that dude at all. He's personally messaged me and many others on here for dissing his often incorrect info. Yeah, he gets stuff right but he gets way too much wrong and sometimes it stuff that could be messing with kid's heads if they read it. I'm sure they're told to stay away from here and his stuff but still. Even THAT post. You don't get the confusion? You're sources say a 3rd with conditionals. The OHL site says 2 2nd's and a 3rd. That might be part of the confusion. Not to mention CONDITIONALS! That's the confusion. What are the conditionals? If he plays one game for Flint do the conditionals kick in? Does he need to meet performance criteria? Finish the season in Flint?

 

[Packman]

From what I’m hearing London had been wanting to get rid of Rowe. I honestly believe there were back door dealings to get Koly and part of that was take Rowe off their hands. As far as others leaving, I heard some did when Ryan was still behind the bench. Haven’t heard of any since Wellwood has taken over.

 

[house hockey 98]

We talk about that spending money on here all the time to get the american kids.. London strikes again with their bankroll signing Paul Cotter today out of Western Michigan

 

[Firebrd828]

It wasn't going to be Boqvist. I'm sure Chicago had that guaranteed. So it was Guskov or Koly. No other option. Neither could be traded. So IF they did do that Branch basically paid Guskov, 2 2nd's and a 3rd for Rowe and Koly.

Yup. It’s all a big game that the Hunters play so well.

 

[Savard18]

Because London didn’t have to release Koly. It could have been one of the other two Imports. London may have said, “We’d rather release xxxxxx. If you want us to release Koly instead, it’s gonna cost ya.”

It wasn't going to be Boqvist. I'm sure Chicago had that guaranteed. So it was Guskov or Koly. No other option. Neither could be traded. So IF they did do that Branch basically paid Guskov, 2 2nd's and a 3rd for Rowe and Koly.

 

[rangersblues]

Why couldn’t Flint just have picked up Koly on Waivers?

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[rangersblues]

Why couldn’t Flint just have picked up Koly on Waivers?

Delete

 

[dirty12]

Unless I'm missing something London could have worked out a deal with another team. They didn't necessarily have to release him.

I’m pretty certain London had 14 days to trade Boquist. So yeah, London could have suggested pay for Rowe, get Koly free
No matter how you look at it; Koly was not free, Rowe embarrassed himself, and Branch is a better sport than I. I would have let the kid sit for a goo amount of time.

 

[rangersblues]

I’m pretty certain London had 14 days to trade Boquist. So yeah, London could have suggested pay for Rowe, get Koly free

Why have the rule about not being able to trade drafted imports if it's obviously not being followed. And the commissioner 's son was party to breaking the rule no less.

Barclay Branch is either crooked, incompetent or both.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Could of we just claimed Koly on waiver without Rowe and giving up picks?

Yeah but I could see if London sent some money to Koly that they promised him before the season and agreed to still give him it if he goes to flint, otherwise he likely would've just gone back to Russia

 

[Packman]

For Koly it worked out well, Rowe not so much. Obviously Flint was willing to take a 12th rounder for a kid who was drafted 1st round, what does that tell you?