Post-Game Talk: Flames "Win" in a shoot out 5-4

[Savagestevo]

People blaming the person that accidentally deflected the puck for the goal is probably just about the most ridiculous thing in hockey, imo

This, it went off the back of his skate. Since Montoya was on his butt the Flames basically had the wide open cage anyways, it didn't even need a deflection. Scheifele hasn't been playing well, but at least criticize for something that was actually on him.

 

[ICdave]

Catch up with Coach Noel following the SO loss.

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Host Drew Mindell and analyst Richard Pollock break down the Jets play against the Flames.

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[blueandgoldguy]

People blaming the person that accidentally deflected the puck for the goal is probably just about the most ridiculous thing in hockey, imo

Not sure if that is directed at me. I was just having fun at Scheifele's expense - he of zero offensive contribution. OF course it's not his fault - it's bad luck.

HIs overall game is lacking though. It's one thing to not contribute offensively, but to be negative in your own zone too..well, let's just say it might be time for Scheifele to sit for a game or two and see what Mr. O'dell can bring to the lineup. Sounds like he has earned a shot.

 

[puck stoppa]

Damn he looked foolish against Wheeler though!

yup, tough to be patient and out wait the shooter when they change speeds and slow down like that. You need good hands to finish there tho, and Wheeler did.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

The Jets are in a position where they desperately need some high end talent because I'm not sure if any of the players on this team have it. You could get it from the 10th pick, sure. Much more likely in the higher picks though. Dallas also lucked in to getting Tyler Seguin, who was a high draft pick but didn't happen to be drafted by the Stars. I would have easily traded Kane for Seguin if you give the Jets that opportunity.

There's nothing lucky about. As a GM you need to be plugged into the going-ons with other teams. Hopefully, Chevy is doing this. IF he is, there is no reason to believe he couldn't pull off a similar deal for a player disgruntled with his team or team disgruntled with its player.

HIgh picks don't mean much. See Columbus, Florida, Oilers, even Kings. Only Doughty has turned out to be a stud out of all their high picks.

Jets should be finished with their top-5 drafting.

 

[Savagestevo]

There's nothing lucky about. As a GM you need to be plugged into the going-ons with other teams. Hopefully, Chevy is doing this. IF he is, there is no reason to believe he couldn't pull off a similar deal for a player disgruntled with his team or team disgruntled with its player.

HIgh picks don't mean much. See Columbus, Florida, Oilers, even Kings. Only Doughty has turned out to be a stud out of all their high picks.

Jets should be finished with their top-5 drafting.

I'd say there is just because it's not often a talented and young player like Tyler Seguin who has shown some elite skill gets made available in a trade. Dallas was the team who ended up getting him, but like I said it's not often you get that type of opportunity. Dallas might have built in a good way but they were also luckily able to trade for a high end young talent.

 

[jetkarma*]

Talking "fancy stats"on the post game show .

 

[Savagestevo]

Also with the Jets being finished with drafting high, they should be because this franchise has been pretty bad for quite a while, but unfortunately they didn't really get out of it with any high end talent outside of maybe Jacob Trouba. I don't think this team is really finished with drafting high but unfortunately they're probably not going to get the chance to because they aren't quite as terrible as some teams in the Eastern Conference. The Jets are kind of stuck on a treadmill.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I'd say there is just because it's not often a talented and young player like Tyler Seguin who has shown some elite skill gets made available in a trade. Dallas was the team who ended up getting him, but like I said it's not often you get that type of opportunity. Dallas might have built in a good way but they were also luckily able to trade for a high end young talent.

Well, I say it's not lucky because Jim Nill, Dallas' GM probably inquired about him. I doubt he sat in his chair waiting for Boston to give him a call and say , hey would you like Tyler Seguin. I'm sure Nill took the initiative to call and offer the best package.

 

[Positive]

Call up Jaffray too, he only has 2 less points than O'Dell!

 

[Howard Chuck]

Despite all the **** that went down this game, it was actually really entertaining. I had fun. Until we lost.

It was a very fun game! I laughed, I cried, I threw stuff at the TV

 

[jetkarma*]

Also with the Jets being finished with drafting high, they should be because this franchise has been pretty bad for quite a while, but unfortunately they didn't really get out of it with any high end talent outside of maybe Jacob Trouba. I don't think this team is really finished with drafting high but unfortunately they're probably not going to get the chance to because they aren't quite as terrible as some teams in the Eastern Conference. The Jets are kind of stuck on a treadmill.

Should we just forfeit then?

 

[Savagestevo]

Should we just forfeit then?

Well no, I'm just saying that this team is in a bit of an unfavorable position, that we might not be seeing playoff hockey in this city for quite some time and that it sucks. The Jets aren't good enough to make the playoffs in the West but not bad enough to pick high.

 

[garret9]

Talking "fancy stats"on the post game show .

Oh no! And I missed it!

 

[jetkarma*]

Well no, I'm just saying that this team is in a bit of an unfavorable position, that we might not be seeing playoff hockey in this city for quite some time and that it sucks. The Jets aren't good enough to make the playoffs in the West but not bad enough to pick high.

So you go about the method you have embarked upon.

Build your talent base , more draft picks than less , and if you scout well some of those players turn out to be Trouba ish , meaning they are much better than their draft slot.

Make an astute trade if that option is there , and have internal competition to make the existing players better.

You need talent , the Jets have begun to catch up to other teams in the league. A fair bit of that talent is still a year or more away , hard to be patient , but that is exactly what needs to occur imo .

 

[meedle]

Well no, I'm just saying that this team is in a bit of an unfavorable position, that we might not be seeing playoff hockey in this city for quite some time and that it sucks. The Jets aren't good enough to make the playoffs in the West but not bad enough to pick high.

3-5 years I think. Need alot of time for young guys to come in and make a difference. Or the very least have a few good drafting years and trade those assests for players.

 

[jetkarma*]

Oh no! And I missed it!

RR asked Adam Wazny if he was looking at the "fancy stats" in regards to Scheifele, was a small segment but thought you and others would like the term

 

[Savagestevo]

So you go about the method you have embarked upon.

Build your talent base , more draft picks than less , and if you scout well some of those players turn out to be Trouba ish , meaning they are much better than their draft slot.

Make an astute trade if that option is there , and have internal competition to make the existing players better.

You need talent , the Jets have begun to catch up to other teams in the league. A fair bit of that talent is still a year or more away , hard to be patient , but that is exactly what needs to occur imo .

I realize that's what the team is doing, I'm just saying that picking high is more of a sure thing and it's a more of a guarantee you get that high end talent. The Stars best players are their young players, same with the Avalanche. The Jets best players are Ladd, Byfuglien, Little and Wheeler. These are guys going in to the primes of their careers, they're nice players but they aren't getting better while the players on the Stars and Avs could. Eventually the team will be stocked up on talent and maybe in 3-5 more years they'll contend for a playoff spot, but that's quite a long time to wait and I'm honestly wondering how attendance will be if this team is stuck in mediocrity for so long, looking like it could be for up to 8 years. Once the teams current best players leave you better hope the picks you got and the assets you traded for are better than LLW and Buff and can contend for the playoffs or else you're stuck on the treadmill I mentioned before.

 

[garret9]

RR asked Adam Wazny if he was looking at the "fancy stats" in regards to Scheifele, was a small segment but thought you and others would like the term

Thanks Karma!

Wazny did RT one of my things on Scheif.

 

[pucka lucka]

I think Scheifele is hurt playing with puck hogs offensively. Sheifele has been his best when he's carrying the puck. He's young. I think he's smart enough to figure it out.

 

[jetkarma*]

I realize that's what the team is doing, I'm just saying that picking high is more of a sure thing and it's a more of a guarantee you get that high end talent. The Stars best players are their young players, same with the Avalanche. The Jets best players are Ladd, Byfuglien, Little and Wheeler. These are guys going in to the primes of their careers, they're nice players but they aren't getting better while the players on the Stars and Avs could. Eventually the team will be stocked up on talent and maybe in 3-5 more years they'll contend for a playoff spot, but that's quite a long time to wait and I'm honestly wondering how attendance will be if this team is stuck in mediocrity for so long, looking like it could be for up to 8 years. Once the teams current best players leave you better hope the picks you got and the assets you traded for are better than LLW and Buff and can contend for the playoffs or else you're stuck on the treadmill I mentioned before.

It isn't a guarantee .

We have had the 3rd , the 4th , 7th , 8th picks overall the last few years , plus add the top picks we have that were drafted elsewhere. It is a fine line.

Sure it would be great to draft an elite player but who this year is unfallible in that they would transform this team to a top 4 team in the west? IMO you could get the best player picking 1 , 4 , 8 or so this year for example.

We should have some help on the PP in the next year or so with Petan and or Morrisey and some continued improvement by some of the core. We have seen Little , Ladd for example get better. So it isn't unreasonable to think several other young , younger players elevate their game and thus the Jets success.

One goal in todays NHL makes a HUGE difference.

 

[winterpeg]

Guys we've got an okay record behind some hot teams without a lot of depth while our defense is ripped to shreds. You don't think once we can actually play our top 6 again we'll start to look a little better?

The sky is not falling. Sure, they iced half an AHL lineup, but we did on defense, too.

If you're going to lose, lose with 90+ shot attempts and ****** luck, instead of losing lazy on the second night of a back to back.

Better to look like the better team all night and give up one point because sometimes lady luck is cruel, than to ice a stinker.

 

[jetkarma*]

Thanks Karma!

Wazny did RT one of my things on Scheif.

Welcome , glad to see they are observant of the information.

I see the pieces , and am more encouraged than discouraged. Still a ways to go obviously . Yes it was against Calgary , but we got secondary scoring , clutch play from key pieces and tbh we got some short straws on some plays.

 

[garret9]

It isn't a guarantee .

We have had the 3rd , the 4th , 7th , 8th picks overall the last few years , plus add the top picks we have that were drafted elsewhere. It is a fine line.

Sure it would be great to draft an elite player but who this year is unfallible in that they would transform this team to a top 4 team in the west? IMO you could get the best player picking 1 , 4 , 8 or so this year for example.

We should have some help on the PP in the next year or so with Petan and or Morrisey and some continued improvement by some of the core. We have seen Little , Ladd for example get better. So it isn't unreasonable to think several other young , younger players elevate their game and thus the Jets success.

One goal in todays NHL makes a HUGE difference.

#Oilers

 

[garret9]

Welcome , glad to see they are observant of the information.

I see the pieces , and am more encouraged than discouraged. Still a ways to go obviously . Yes it was against Calgary , but we got secondary scoring , clutch play from key pieces and tbh we got some short straws on some plays.

Plus, let's be honest:

* questionable calls
* one goal on probable interference
* one goal off of defenders stick
* one goal off of defenders skate

That's piss-poor luck IMO.