Post-Game Talk: Flames "Win" in a shoot out 5-4

[Huffer]

Tough game to not get the 2 points out of. There were pluses and minuses, but there were many more pluses IMO.

+
* LLW had another good game
* Kane was hitting everything in sight
* OJ was good
* The fourth line played well
* Buff was a beast
* Ellerby had some good moments
* Monty made some key stops
* Team not giving up down a goal (haven't really seen the team give up much or at all, all year).
* Tonnes of shots and carried the play.

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* Refs (obviously).
* Still not getting production from Kane and Scheifele (It will come though IMO).
* Defense outside of Buff and Enstrom for the most part struggled in our zone
* Too many scoring chances
* Monty not able to slide across the net on goal 1, and going down and staying down way too long on goal 3 or 4.

 

[Gm0ney]

A tough loss. Scheifele looked as bad as I've seen him. Weird goals - the floating flubber that no one saw, the NBA-style pick play that led directly to the shorthanded goal, and the one where Monty was lying down for no particular reason...

If Leafs games were officiated like Jets games, TSN would cancel their regular broadcast schedule to devote airtime to solving the officiating crisis in the NHL. But it's Winnipeg, so it's probably a league directive... Seriously though, I think chanting "Refs You Suck" just motivates them to show the crowd just what sucking is.

BTW: Does anyone know what Buff did to get the extra 2 minutes in that scuffle at the end of the 2nd? I was at the game and didn't see the replay.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

BTW: Does anyone know what Buff did to get the extra 2 minutes in that scuffle at the end of the 2nd? I was at the game and didn't see the replay.

Best I can figure: 2 mins per player he manhandled single-handedly.

 

[Gm0ney]

Best I can figure: 2 mins per player he manhandled single-handedly.

It would've been nice if he'd just picked them both up and started smashing them together...

 

[YWGinYYZ]

It would've been nice if he'd just picked them both up and started smashing them together...

I was expecting something like this:

 

[Gm0ney]

I was expecting something like this:

We need to sign this guy and have him do this to the refs. More effective than chanting, I think...

 

[Bartho]

Plus, let's be honest:

* questionable calls
* one goal on probable interference
* one goal off of defenders stick
* one goal off of defenders skate

That's piss-poor luck IMO.

That sure is a lot of excuse making for a goalie who had a .879 SV% on the night. If that was Pavelec was in net, he'd have been HFCrucified for the 1st and 4th goals.


(P.S. I agree with the quote, but there's quite the double standard going on. I thought Montoya played fairly well and was the victim of one seriously bad bounce off Frolik's stick. The 1st and 4th goals weren't pretty though.)

(P.P.S It was great to see #FreedPeluso really help out the team by taking a penalty on his first shift.)

 

[Jet]

That sure is a lot of excuse making for a goalie who had a .879 SV% on the night. If that was Pavelec was in net, he'd have been HFCrucified for the 1st and 4th goals.


(P.S. I agree with the quote, but there's quite the double standard going on. I thought Montoya played fairly well and was the victim of one seriously bad bounce off Frolik's stick. The 1st and 4th goals weren't pretty though.)

(P.P.S It was great to see #FreedPeluso really help out the team by taking a penalty on his first shift.)

No doubt there is a double standard with goaltending around here. Then there are people just calling it as they see it.

Monty had a bad game. Actually, he had a very Pavelesque game. Some great saves and solid play framed by a couple bad bounces and just awful positioning. That 4th goal? I am still trying to wrap my head around it and try and figure out what he was doing? Did he get a concussion on that collision? Looking at the replay it just seemed so weird. Montoya always seems to be well positioned and agile and he certainly wasn't here.

The double standard, IMO comes because people are saying things like "now you see why Noel never starts Montoya" after one bad start. Break down every start that Monty has had. Then break down every start Pav has had. Saying that about Montoya is even more unfair than what is said about Pavelec.

At any rate, most people just want Monty to start to give Pavelec rest, especially since Pav has the numbers so far this year that we all want him to have. Looks to me like some people took a little joy in Monty's struggles so that they could say "I told you so".

 

[Warcry]

If Leafs games were officiated like Jets games, TSN would cancel their regular broadcast schedule to devote airtime to solving the officiating crisis in the NHL. But it's Winnipeg, so it's probably a league directive... Seriously though, I think chanting "Refs You Suck" just motivates them to show the crowd just what sucking is.

I figured the same thing. At first they were just generally awful, but after we started booing them it seemed like the bad calls started to snowball. In particular, the misconduct at the end of the third was probably only called on Little because the refs couldn't put the crowd in the box.

As far as the game itself goes...this was probably the sloppiest and all-around worst professional hockey game I've ever attended. The Flames are a legitimately awful team, the Jets didn't really bring their "A" game and the refs didn't seem to know or care what was going on. On the other hand, that made for a very entertaining game to watch.

I was very disappointed that the Jets couldn't come out of it with the win, though. Even though the Flames kept taking the lead on circus bounces, because of the refs ignoring interference calls and that one time that Monty was doing snow angels, I kept thinking to myself "Stay calm. We've got this." But as it turned out, not so much.

Really getting tired of seeing Kane streak in on the wing without any support, though. Every team knows he does it and they shut him down right away. The kid needs to expand his playbook a little bit.

 

[jigglysquishy]

For all the talk earlier in the season on Buff slumping, he's now second in defensive scoring.

60 point pace. Has a shot of hitting 20 goals.

 

[Jet]

For all the talk earlier in the season on Buff slumping, he's now second in defensive scoring.

60 point pace. Has a shot of hitting 20 goals.

Thats what you get with Buff. 5 games ago I wanted to trade him immediately.

Last night when he ragdolled Smid and Butler (and the linesman) all at once I wanted to give him a hug.

I just wish there was a way to get 50 + games of this Buff. I still think what we could get for him in a trade would really help this team.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Lol, just as I expected...Ralphie on 1290 is saying the buff interference could have just been "incidental."

 

[seasontixholder*]

As bad as the reffing was, at least the Jets got a point thanks to Little. On a better note. The crybaby and cheater lost the Monday nighter to a non call. Made my night. Guess karma is a *****!

 

[Bartho]

No doubt there is a double standard with goaltending around here. Then there are people just calling it as they see it.

Monty had a bad game. Actually, he had a very Pavelesque game. Some great saves and solid play framed by a couple bad bounces and just awful positioning. That 4th goal? I am still trying to wrap my head around it and try and figure out what he was doing? Did he get a concussion on that collision? Looking at the replay it just seemed so weird. Montoya always seems to be well positioned and agile and he certainly wasn't here.

The double standard, IMO comes because people are saying things like "now you see why Noel never starts Montoya" after one bad start. Break down every start that Monty has had. Then break down every start Pav has had. Saying that about Montoya is even more unfair than what is said about Pavelec.

At any rate, most people just want Monty to start to give Pavelec rest, especially since Pav has the numbers so far this year that we all want him to have. Looks to me like some people took a little joy in Monty's struggles so that they could say "I told you so".

That's a fair assessment.

As a Jets fan, I want all our players to succeed. My point about the double standard is a result my annoyance at the handful of very vocal posters who who's sole M.O. is to trash Pavelec every chance they get, whether he deserves it or not.

Overall, I think Montoya has played pretty well for us this season and I hope he continues to get regular starts here and there (and at least one of every back-to-back game).

 

[SensibleGuy]

At any rate, most people just want Monty to start to give Pavelec rest, especially since Pav has the numbers so far this year that we all want him to have. Looks to me like some people took a little joy in Monty's struggles so that they could say "I told you so".

This. The way some people talk you'd think somebody has suggested Monty is the second coming of terry sawchuk. All anyone has really said is that Monty isn't really a step down from Pav's and there's no reason not to get him in for a few more starts instead of riding pavelec hard all the time...

 

[Majikme]

Need GIFS of that dive.

 

[sully1410]

Montoya was awful.

Defensively, the team was rough. they did not play very good two way hockey thats for sure. Offensively, no complaints, and it was clear that the Flames were bailed out by a hot tender.

Shoot out, something that needs to be practised. Berra got far out of the net and any one of the guys we had after Wheeler, I'm looking at you Kane and Buff could of had him beat, but when he's aggressive like that you can't just take an aimed shot and hope for the best. So while we had success in the past, this was one they didn't read the goalie very well.

the reffing was garbage, but I still think we could of had this one had the team played better defensively and our goaltending was a bit better.

Good news,

Ellerby, Clitsome, Buff and Toby all had pretty good games...Pardy was awful. Redmond was quiet. The wasn't that good in their own zone though, the whole team wasn't.

Little is a beast.

Olli was very impressive actually. I thought he played a great game.

Frolik was awesome as well.

Pavs looked great on the bench

and...we're one day closer to getting Bogo and Trouba back in the line up.

Also if Buff keeps playing like this...no way we should trade him lol.

 

[RonJon]

Lol, just as I expected...Ralphie on 1290 is saying the buff interference could have just been "incidental."

Had to pop my eyes back in my head when I heard that. When video evidence is so cut and dried call it as it is Ralph. He also gave us the ULTIMATE insult by calling us Leaf fans and then backed up and said Jet fans.

 

[buggs]

Tough game to not get the 2 points out of. There were pluses and minuses, but there were many more pluses IMO.

+
* LLW had another good game
* Kane was hitting everything in sight
* OJ was good
* The fourth line played well
* Buff was a beast
* Ellerby had some good moments
* Monty made some key stops
* Team not giving up down a goal (haven't really seen the team give up much or at all, all year).
* Tonnes of shots and carried the play.

-
* Refs (obviously).
* Still not getting production from Kane and Scheifele (It will come though IMO).
* Defense outside of Buff and Enstrom for the most part struggled in our zone
* Too many scoring chances
* Monty not able to slide across the net on goal 1, and going down and staying down way too long on goal 3 or 4.

While I recognize Calgary isn't the Blackhawks, I'm still willing to forgive our current incarnation of defense a fair bit. They struggled, as you indicate quite correctly and I hope for more though given it's not Bogosian, Trouba, Postma and Clitsome playing behind Enstrom/Buff, it's just not that surprising. I like Ellerby a lot and Redmond I have high hopes for (but my expectations are tempered for him at the moment given the injury he's still recovering from) but it's not really an NHL calibre defense at the moment.

Am I disappointed we didn't beat a team in the early stages of a near complete overhaul? Yup, absolutely. Given our defensive group at the moment though I can't be that upset with them and some of the results we'll see. Injuries are a part of the game and teams have to muddle through them but geez, five of our season starting seven D men are out. I just think we're forgetting about those aspects at time when we have frustrations with the team overall.

 

[sipowicz]

Lol, just as I expected...Ralphie on 1290 is saying the buff interference could have just been "incidental."

Yeah maybe if they were playing in the blind man's hockey league!

Or maybe Ol' Ralphie should try to be un-cool and put on the eye glasses he sorely needs!

 

[SensibleGuy]

I suspect Ralphie's brains are a tad muddled from listening to too much 80s hair metal for the past 35 years.

 

[Samcanadian]

Rick Ralph is a total Winnipeg sports personality: Hate on the home team, have a negative outlook on the future and make a point of having the opposite opinion of the hometown fans.

 

[Huffer]

While I recognize Calgary isn't the Blackhawks, I'm still willing to forgive our current incarnation of defense a fair bit. They struggled, as you indicate quite correctly and I hope for more though given it's not Bogosian, Trouba, Postma and Clitsome playing behind Enstrom/Buff, it's just not that surprising. I like Ellerby a lot and Redmond I have high hopes for (but my expectations are tempered for him at the moment given the injury he's still recovering from) but it's not really an NHL calibre defense at the moment.

Am I disappointed we didn't beat a team in the early stages of a near complete overhaul? Yup, absolutely. Given our defensive group at the moment though I can't be that upset with them and some of the results we'll see. Injuries are a part of the game and teams have to muddle through them but geez, five of our season starting seven D men are out. I just think we're forgetting about those aspects at time when we have frustrations with the team overall.

Can't disagree Buggs, well said. With Bogo and Trouba in the lineup, we have a much better D for sure.

I did like Ellerby last night. I like him better than Pardy so far considering the small sample sizes. Ellerby is a better skater, and seems to better understand his role with the puck.

I'm personally not that impressed with Clitsome this season. I think we've seen more bad than good overall. Hasn't looked as good as he did for the most part last season IMO.

 

[Huffer]

Rick Ralph is a total Winnipeg sports personality: Hate on the home team, have a negative outlook on the future and make a point of having the opposite opinion of the hometown fans.

Lol, exactly. And then when questionned, claim that everyone else are blind homers, and that in actuality, you're the only objective one.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Lol, just as I expected...Ralphie on 1290 is saying the buff interference could have just been "incidental."

RR is says some strange things (and rather condescendingly) from time to time - there's NO way that hit / pick was defensible in my mind.