Post-Game Talk: Flames "Win" in a shoot out 5-4

[Gm0ney]

I was just checking the rules...Little should not have been assessed at 10 minute misconduct for shaking his head at a ref. If he didn't say anything, bang his stick or throw equipment, then it's a 2 minute penalty and he's still available for the shootout.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26327

39.2 Minor Penalty

iii) Any player or players who bang the boards with their sticks or other objects at any time, or who, in any manner show disrespect for an official’s decision. If this is done in order to get the attention of the on-ice officials for a legitimate reason (i.e. serious injury, illness, etc.), then discretion must be exercised by the Referees.

Even this seems to not apply on a headshake (Little isn't showing disrespect for a specific decision - just a general disrespect for the official's body of work for the night).

Claude Noel should've asked for an explanation, verified that Little didn't say anything and refused to participate in the shootout (triggering an automatic Shoot-Out Loss) to draw attention to the egregious lack of impartiality in this game. I know, I know, not even Tortorella would pull that, but that's the point - it would put the spotlight on officiating and maybe get these ****ers a reprimand and put the officiating of every Jets game under a microscope...

 

[garret9]

That sure is a lot of excuse making for a goalie who had a .879 SV% on the night. If that was Pavelec was in net, he'd have been HFCrucified for the 1st and 4th goals.


(P.S. I agree with the quote, but there's quite the double standard going on. I thought Montoya played fairly well and was the victim of one seriously bad bounce off Frolik's stick. The 1st and 4th goals weren't pretty though.)

(P.P.S It was great to see #FreedPeluso really help out the team by taking a penalty on his first shift.)

I don't think anywhere you will find a double standard in my post.

Tough for you to claim a guy who wrote an article on the two being different stylistically but fairly similar in end results as making a double standard.

I don't consider either Montoya or Pavelec to really be legitimately better than the other.
I think both have good and bad games, historically they tend to have more bad than good but this season has been the opposite thus far.

The difference though between the two is their contract and some persons' misperceptions on Pavelec's effectiveness... so you may see me approach Pavelec differently because of that.

In the end though that post had nothing to do with goaltending anyways. Just discussing how the skaters had a fairly unlucky game.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Rick Ralph is a total Winnipeg sports personality: Hate on the home team, have a negative outlook on the future and make a point of having the opposite opinion of the hometown fans.

This to a "T". His general tone really grates on my nerves...if there was anything else on the radio in the afternoon I'd be listening to that instead.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Lol, exactly. And then when questionned, claim that everyone else are blind homers, and that in actuality, you're the only objective one.

RR's contrarian schtick is predictable and tiresome. Goes on Twitter and message boards, gathers what the general consensus and talking points are, goes against all those opinions with plenty of snark and condescension. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Savardian Spinarama]

It's understood that you're going to run into games like these during the course of a season (or a game like in Minne). You know, bad bounces, bad referees, late goals and so forth.

The problem is the margin for error is so thin for the Jets and I just don't see them going on an extended win streak (full two points and no gimme's to the other team), that I fear their playoff chances are essentially roasted at even this early date.

 

[seasontixholder*]

This to a "T". His general tone really grates on my nerves...if there was anything else on the radio in the afternoon I'd be listening to that instead.

I'm with you except that my radio is always on 1290 until RR comes on. Maybe its time for TSN to dump his ass. Give the show to Matty. He does the job a million times better when RR is off.

 

[Huffer]

RR's contrarian schtick is predictable and tiresome. Goes on Twitter and message boards, gathers what the general consensus and talking points are, goes against all those opinions with plenty of snark and condescension. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Wait, did you just describe RR, or was that Paul Friesen?

 

[SensibleGuy]

I'm with you except that my radio is always on 1290 until RR comes on. Maybe its time for TSN to dump his ass. Give the show to Matty. He does the job a million times better when RR is off.

I like Leibl, but I think he's best suited for the second banana role. He gets a bit irritating when he's the front man. Ralphie is easier to take when there's one or two other people (as in an actual roundtable) for him to work with. Keeps him from interviewing himself for 2 hours and actually seems to tame his contrarianism a bit.

But yeah, the station could benefit from a couple of new personalities in the afternoon. Hustler and Lawless don't need any more time afaic. I like Patterson OK, but his voice is hard to take - that wheeziness...its like once you become conscious of it you can't stop hearing it (sorry to anyone who hasn't noted it already. ). Lawless, well he's Lawless...say no more.

 

[jetkarma*]

I like Leibl, but I think he's best suited for the second banana role. He gets a bit irritating when he's the front man. Ralphie is easier to take when there's one or two other people (as in an actual roundtable) for him to work with. Keeps him from interviewing himself for 2 hours and actually seems to tame his contrarianism a bit.

But yeah, the station could benefit from a couple of new personalities in the afternoon. Hustler and Lawless don't need any more time afaic. I like Patterson OK, but his voice is hard to take - that wheeziness...its like once you become conscious of it you can't stop hearing it (sorry to anyone who hasn't noted it already. ). Lawless, well he's Lawless...say no more.

I concur re the Leibl comment. I like him at times , maybe most times , but he tends to get whiny imo . While he gathers lots of information and facts , he doesn't really understand or know as much as he wants to have listeners believe , again imo.

I like RR to be honest , some of the presentation is for ratings but he is connected , I find him interesting beyond the daily sports reviews , and is cautious about the Jets . That isn't bad , he has given accolades to draft picks and how the future is being approached.

 

[BigZ65]

1290 will never die because of the Jets, but they could do much better. I don't understand the replaying of shows that are pretty meh to began with. Put Jim Rome back on live 11-2, give RR 9-11, cut the morning show guys airtime and have a strong hockey show that includes analysis from people who both have the knowledge and have done the research from 2-3.

I'm a huge sports fan, and I cannot stand listening to Troy and Jay. I prefer Hal Anderson's pandering to the elderly. That's how bad that morning show on 1290 is. It has the feel of bad cable access programming, painful.

 

[sipowicz]

1290 will never die because of the Jets, but they could do much better. I don't understand the replaying of shows that are pretty meh to began with. Put Jim Rome back on live 11-2, give RR 9-11, cut the morning show guys airtime and have a strong hockey show that includes analysis from people who both have the knowledge and have done the research from 2-3.

I'm a huge sports fan, and I cannot stand listening to Troy and Jay. I prefer Hal Anderson's pandering to the elderly. That's how bad that morning show on 1290 is. It has the feel of bad cable access programming, painful.

Please not Rome again, the guy is painful to listen to, little snippets of talk followed by long silent pauses, repeat, too bad Rome never fulfilled his true calling when he didn't get into acting school he'd be a soap opera star by now!

At least with 1290 I can listen to something I'm interested in besides all the new crap music stations, some lefty nut job on CBC or CJOB's senior citizen centric neo-con dribble inter-laced with ads for denture clinics, eye glass dispensers, mobility devices, retirement homes, hearing centres and funeral homes!

 

[Guardian17]

Got home late last night after the game.

I can't believe we lost to the Abbotsford Heat!

Why are our defense men so tentative with the puck?

Why can we not complete a pass tape to tape instead of tape to skate?

The refs blew a couple of calls, but, we put ourselves in a position to allow bad calls from the refs effect us.

 

[Grind]

1290 will never die because of the Jets, but they could do much better. I don't understand the replaying of shows that are pretty meh to began with. Put Jim Rome back on live 11-2, give RR 9-11, cut the morning show guys airtime and have a strong hockey show that includes analysis from people who both have the knowledge and have done the research from 2-3.

I'm a huge sports fan, and I cannot stand listening to Troy and Jay. I prefer Hal Anderson's pandering to the elderly. That's how bad that morning show on 1290 is. It has the feel of bad cable access programming, painful.

While i find troy a little too much of bleeding heart/narrative junky (he's one of those guys that seems to ALWAYS be putting narrative/story ahead of results. There's always a "reason" for a team losing etc.) he's started looking into analytics and what not, he seems to be open to that discussion so its nice (and he at least does some research)

Jay I hate. He never speaks to callers he disagrees with, just hangs up then smokes a strawman. He always seems to go on as if he's in some sort of position of authority/gravity on the situation but his opinions/responses are pretty much never researched and often just blatantly wrong. Troy at least does some homework.

I find i like mat, and especially more so now, as he seems to be well educated and just a personality. I've heard him argue different sides of the same debate depending on the stance of the other too (if they're in agreement, he'll disagree, even if the roles were reverse dlast week) and i get that that's part of programming so i don't really get worked up when he goes on about **** i don't agree with.


Anyways... about this game.

I had a sinking feeling the whole time wtaching it. i did not feel confident in the first. I felt better in the second when we murdered them on shot attempts.

I don't now, i never felt like were going to win it (maybe after that 5 second tieing goal, and at various times in the SO)

Nothing new really to say...ref's really pissed me off that game. I would like to see the NHL publicly address really blatant/damaging missed calls like that.

I'm pretty down on Schief. He seems to look good for a game, get nothing for it, and then have nothing work out.

i'm a negative nelly today.

 

[buggs]

It's understood that you're going to run into games like these during the course of a season (or a game like in Minne). You know, bad bounces, bad referees, late goals and so forth.

The problem is the margin for error is so thin for the Jets and I just don't see them going on an extended win streak (full two points and no gimme's to the other team), that I fear their playoff chances are essentially roasted at even this early date.

I don't know about that. To respectfully disagree I looked at the schedule out through the end of December and it could be quite favorable. There are two back to backs in it, both on the road so those could be tough, but the opponents not so much.

Here's the Jets schedule for rest of November and December:

November
CHI (home = h)
Min (h)
NJ (road = r)
NYI (r)
PHI (r)

December
NYR (r)
FLA (r)
TB (r)
STL (h)
COL (h)
DAL (h)
CBJ (r)
BUF (r) second of back to back
FLA (h)
VAN (r)
EDM (r) second of back to back
MIN (h)
COL (r)
BUF (h)

looking at it I can see 2-2-1 in rest of November. For December the slate of teams has a lot of Eastern content and a good chunk of within division games almost all at home. I think they lose at Rangers, one of Avs or Blues at home, Nucks on the road and Avs on the road. I think they take the rest to end up 10-4 in December. That moves them a bit up in the standings though still a fringe team.

I don't really think the team is there to make the playoffs this year, especially with the way the D has been impacted. But boy the next six weeks are going to be telling. If they don't end up a good bit above .500 by 2014, stick a fork in 'em cuz they ain't coming back.

 

[LadyJet26]

I don't know about that. To respectfully disagree I looked at the schedule out through the end of December and it could be quite favorable. There are two back to backs in it, both on the road so those could be tough, but the opponents not so much.

Here's the Jets schedule for rest of November and December:

November
CHI (home = h)
Min (h)
NJ (road = r)
NYI (r)
PHI (r)

December
NYR (r)
FLA (r)
TB (r)
STL (h)
COL (h)
DAL (h)
CBJ (r)
BUF (r) second of back to back
FLA (h)
VAN (r)
EDM (r) second of back to back
MIN (h)
COL (r)
BUF (h)

looking at it I can see 2-2-1 in rest of November. For December the slate of teams has a lot of Eastern content and a good chunk of within division games almost all at home. I think they lose at Rangers, one of Avs or Blues at home, Nucks on the road and Avs on the road. I think they take the rest to end up 10-4 in December. That moves them a bit up in the standings though still a fringe team.

I don't really think the team is there to make the playoffs this year, especially with the way the D has been impacted. But boy the next six weeks are going to be telling. If they don't end up a good bit above .500 by 2014, stick a fork in 'em cuz they ain't coming back.

It's the west though. A team could go 10-4 in a month and still only move up one spot in the standings.

 

[SensibleGuy]

1290 will never die because of the Jets, but they could do much better. I don't understand the replaying of shows that are pretty meh to began with. Put Jim Rome back on live 11-2, give RR 9-11, cut the morning show guys airtime and have a strong hockey show that includes analysis from people who both have the knowledge and have done the research from 2-3.

I'm a huge sports fan, and I cannot stand listening to Troy and Jay. I prefer Hal Anderson's pandering to the elderly. That's how bad that morning show on 1290 is. It has the feel of bad cable access programming, painful.

Oh god no Rome. That guy is done. Awful show.

The Big Show is great imho...

 

[Rook37]

Lol, just as I expected...Ralphie on 1290 is saying the buff interference could have just been "incidental."

Now that's just more embarrassing for 1290 than contributing to anything about the game.

For the curious, Kerry Fraser weighed in on it in his column.

Here's the take on Bouma's goal, from a well-known and established ref. I feel like he has a bit more credibility than Ralph when it comes to these things.

edit: and since I think this is my first comment in the PGT, I'd just like to say that that turned into a ridiculously exciting game. Boring first period but holy crap did it pick up at the end. Sucks that we only got the one point but after a battle like that (and those calls) you can hardly blame the team. I love our ability to come back this year - I'm still not entirely sure how to describe the noises I made after Little's goal at the end there

 

[buggs]

It's the west though. A team could go 10-4 in a month and still only move up one spot in the standings.

Oh yeah, agree completely, but I think we have the fewest east games (along with Dallas at 6) of anyone in the west, so the balance should come. We've mostly played west, so those losses hurt more obviously. But if we're out east for 10 of 19 and those same western teams are beating each other up, it's got to help a little.

Don't mess with my kool-aid.

 

[Savardian Spinarama]

Oh yeah, agree completely, but I think we have the fewest east games (along with Dallas at 6) of anyone in the west, so the balance should come. We've mostly played west, so those losses hurt more obviously. But if we're out east for 10 of 19 and those same western teams are beating each other up, it's got to help a little.

Don't mess with my kool-aid.

That's my point. You would hope that the Jets would go on a big run at some point, but even if they do, the competitiveness in the West might nullify it.

TBL is first in the east with 28 points; the Avs have the same number of points and are in 8th in the west. Just crazy

 

[jetkarma*]

Oh god no Rome. That guy is done. Awful show.

The Big Show is great imho...

Hate Rome , the show is almost all about him and I can't fathom why anyone would be interested.

Right now I am on Vancouver Island and he comes on a local sports show at 9 . Never listen .

I try to listen online to 1290 mainly for any and all Jets coverage and like that RR is repeated , fits for the time difference.

As an aside, some may remember Brother Jake ( going waaaay back ) well he is on here from Vancouver doing a sports show in the am .

 

[DarthMonty]

Now that's just more embarrassing for 1290 than contributing to anything about the game.

For the curious, Kerry Fraser weighed in on it in his column.

Here's the take on Bouma's goal, from a well-known and established ref. I feel like he has a bit more credibility than Ralph when it comes to these things.

edit: and since I think this is my first comment in the PGT, I'd just like to say that that turned into a ridiculously exciting game. Boring first period but holy crap did it pick up at the end. Sucks that we only got the one point but after a battle like that (and those calls) you can hardly blame the team. I love our ability to come back this year - I'm still not entirely sure how to describe the noises I made after Little's goal at the end there

Thanks - it's good to have an impartial observer confirming what we all saw last night. The comments below Fraser's column are entertaining, to say the least.

It's over, and now the fans and the players need to move on. We cannot undo what was done.

 

[DarthMonty]

Oh yeah, agree completely, but I think we have the fewest east games (along with Dallas at 6) of anyone in the west, so the balance should come. We've mostly played west, so those losses hurt more obviously. But if we're out east for 10 of 19 and those same western teams are beating each other up, it's got to help a little.

Don't mess with my kool-aid.

You and me both, bro. Hopefully the Jets feast on eastern teams while the Central Division beats each other up. Maybe the Jets can get another streak going and climb a few positions.

It's good kool-aid.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Wait, did you just describe RR, or was that Paul Friesen?

Sorta OT, but since we're on the topic of Winnipeg media...

Why the hell doesn't the WFP have Melissa Martin writing more articles about the Jets? Hell, why don't they have her as the Jets beat writer? Every single sports article I've read from her has been well written and well thought out.

I can tolerate Lawless, but IMO she's up there with Bartley Kives as the Freep's best writer.

 

[Channelcat]

But yeah, the station could benefit from a couple of new personalities in the afternoon. Hustler and Lawless don't need any more time afaic. I like Patterson OK, but his voice is hard to take - that wheeziness...its like once you become conscious of it you can't stop hearing it (sorry to anyone who hasn't noted it already. ). Lawless, well he's Lawless...say no more.

H&L must smoke about 6 packs a day between them.

 

[Aavco Cup]

On That's Hockey Stus & Duds, Mike Johnson just gave referee Gord Dwyer a big dud for the misconduct call on Little. They had an iso camera of Little and he never opened his mouth, hardly even shook his head (like he was quoted as doing) but he was staring at Dwyer. 10 minutes for STARING? Johnson said that Dwyer had warned Little in the second period for yapping but you can't call a misconcuct there. Let him participate in the shootout.