HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[Habs]

this thread is going to be full of lots of drama by March lol

 

[LaP]

this thread is going to be full of lots of drama by March lol

Imagine if the Pens draft 10th and Flames 11th with one game remaining and then the Pens beat Washington in the last game of the season to push Calgary down to the 10th spot. That would be the 3rd time the Pens hijack our rebuild.

 

[Trabdy2]

What was the condition involving Philly and Florida? Is there still something in the air there that might affect which pick we get?

 

[Leto]

What was the condition involving Philly and Florida? Is there still something in the air there that might affect which pick we get?

''If 2024 conditional 1st Round Pick owned by Philadelphia moves to 2025, this pick moves to 2026. If this pick is top 10, Calgary receives 2026 1st Round Pick''.

The condition involving Philly no longer matter, it's been fulfilled (see the 32th OV in the 2024 Draft).

 

[SakuKoivu11]

There is 4 outcomes to this pick.

1. Calgary and Florida’s pick are not top 10, Montreal will get the better of the pick (11-32).
2. Calgary is top 10, Florida is not top 10, Montreal gets Florida’s pick. (11-32)
3. Calgary is not top 10, Florida is top 10, Montreal gets Calgary’s pick. (11-32)
4. If both Calgary and Florida’s pick are both top 10, Montreal gets the higher of the pick (2-10)

There’s an exception to #4 option. If Calgary gets the 1st overall pick, then the pick is deferred to 2026 draft.

So if some miracle both Calgary and Florida miss the playoffs, and get top 10, the most likely scenario is that we will pick from 11-32.

So say we get a top 20 pick, Hughes and Gorton could use both 2nd round picks to move up 5-7 spots so we land 13-15.

This year’s draft is basically top 7-8 players.

Out biggest asset will be our own pick, most likely we will get a top 10 pick so one of the Hagens, Martone, McQueen, Frondell, Schaefer, Misa, Ryabkin Spence.

Here’s my comparisons: (I’m comparing their style of play, not necessary the player)

Hagens = Logan Cooley/Pierre Turgeon/Kirill Kaprizov
Martone = Brendan Shanahan/Corey Perry/Mark Stone
McQueen = Kirby Dach/Jeff Carter/Tage Thompson
Frondell = Ryan O’Reilly/Joe Neuwendyk/Elias Lindholm
Schaefer = Roman Josi/Scott Niedermayer/Adam Fox
Ryabkin = Sergei Nemchinov/Nico Hitchier/Josh Norris
Spence = Shawn McEachern/Ivan Barbashev/Joel Farabee

I really like Schaefer and Martone in this draft. Schaefer I think will be a franchise defenseman. Martone to me is a big impact player like in the playoffs he’s going to be like Tkachuk but less crazy.

 

[26Mats]

Imagine if the Pens draft 10th and Flames 11th with one game remaining and then the Pens beat Washington in the last game of the season to push Calgary down to the 10th spot. That would be the 3rd time the Pens hijack our rebuild.

Unless a team that finishes 11th to 16th wins a lottery spot, then the calgary pick bumps down to 11th!

I think something like that just happened pl need to the raptors. They lost their own top 10 pick because they didn't leave it it lottery protected enough, and they were safe going into the lottery, but then lost it after during the lottery. Ouch!

 

[Habs Halifax]

What was the condition involving Philly and Florida? Is there still something in the air there that might affect which pick we get?

Simple version
* If both picks are not in the top 10, Habs get the better of the two
* If both picks are in the top 10 (not likely), Habs get the worse of the two
* If one pick is in the top 10, Habs get the other pick.

Panthers pick won't be top 10. Flames are the team to watch... especially after their hot start. If they end up 11+, we are in a good spot.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

There is 4 outcomes to this pick.

1. Calgary and Florida’s pick are not top 10, Montreal will get the better of the pick (11-32).
2. Calgary is top 10, Florida is not top 10, Montreal gets Florida’s pick. (11-32)
3. Calgary is not top 10, Florida is top 10, Montreal gets Calgary’s pick. (11-32)
4. If both Calgary and Florida’s pick are both top 10, Montreal gets the higher of the pick (2-10)

There’s an exception to #4 option. If Calgary gets the 1st overall pick, then the pick is deferred to 2026 draft.

So if some miracle both Calgary and Florida miss the playoffs, and get top 10, the most likely scenario is that we will pick from 11-32.

So say we get a top 20 pick, Hughes and Gorton could use both 2nd round picks to move up 5-7 spots so we land 13-15.

This year’s draft is basically top 7-8 players.

Out biggest asset will be our own pick, most likely we will get a top 10 pick so one of the Hagens, Martone, McQueen, Frondell, Schaefer, Misa, Ryabkin Spence.

Here’s my comparisons: (I’m comparing their style of play, not necessary the player)

Hagens = Logan Cooley/Pierre Turgeon/Kirill Kaprizov
Martone = Brendan Shanahan/Corey Perry/Mark Stone
McQueen = Kirby Dach/Jeff Carter/Tage Thompson
Frondell = Ryan O’Reilly/Joe Neuwendyk/Elias Lindholm
Schaefer = Roman Josi/Scott Niedermayer/Adam Fox
Ryabkin = Sergei Nemchinov/Nico Hitchier/Josh Norris
Spence = Shawn McEachern/Ivan Barbashev/Joel Farabee

I really like Schaefer and Martone in this draft. Schaefer I think will be a franchise defenseman. Martone to me is a big impact player like in the playoffs he’s going to be like Tkachuk but less crazy.

Schaefer is giving me Jamie Drysdale vibe not the IQ to become a franchise defenseman. A lot of hype on his skating but low production based on hype and looking injury prone. Ryan Murray was also similar but at least he was very good defensively.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

There is 4 outcomes to this pick.

1. Calgary and Florida’s pick are not top 10, Montreal will get the better of the pick (11-32).
2. Calgary is top 10, Florida is not top 10, Montreal gets Florida’s pick. (11-32)
3. Calgary is not top 10, Florida is top 10, Montreal gets Calgary’s pick. (11-32)
4. If both Calgary and Florida’s pick are both top 10, Montreal gets the higher of the pick (2-10)

There’s an exception to #4 option. If Calgary gets the 1st overall pick, then the pick is deferred to 2026 draft.

So if some miracle both Calgary and Florida miss the playoffs, and get top 10, the most likely scenario is that we will pick from 11-32.

So say we get a top 20 pick, Hughes and Gorton could use both 2nd round picks to move up 5-7 spots so we land 13-15.

This year’s draft is basically top 7-8 players.

Out biggest asset will be our own pick, most likely we will get a top 10 pick so one of the Hagens, Martone, McQueen, Frondell, Schaefer, Misa, Ryabkin Spence.

Here’s my comparisons: (I’m comparing their style of play, not necessary the player)

Hagens = Logan Cooley/Pierre Turgeon/Kirill Kaprizov
Martone = Brendan Shanahan/Corey Perry/Mark Stone
McQueen = Kirby Dach/Jeff Carter/Tage Thompson
Frondell = Ryan O’Reilly/Joe Neuwendyk/Elias Lindholm
Schaefer = Roman Josi/Scott Niedermayer/Adam Fox
Ryabkin = Sergei Nemchinov/Nico Hitchier/Josh Norris
Spence = Shawn McEachern/Ivan Barbashev/Joel Farabee

I really like Schaefer and Martone in this draft. Schaefer I think will be a franchise defenseman. Martone to me is a big impact player like in the playoffs he’s going to be like Tkachuk but less crazy.

#4. If Florida finishes bottom 10, that pick moves to 2026 for Calgary. It's protected. That's actually not one of the conditions.

If Calgary doesn't get Florida’s 2025 pick then a whole host of other conditions come into play, including one where their pick is top 10 protected and another scenario where it's only 1OA protected. The latter one is extremely unlikely. They would have to trade Florida’s 2025 pick for that to happen, which they're obviously not going to do.

 

[Riggins]

Flames pick up another point with an OTL in Seattle.

Calgary will finish ahead of the usual dregs of the league SJ/ANA/CHI/CBJ/MTL. Can they finish ahead of 5 more teams? I like the odds more and more every day. They already have a 9 point lead on Nashville. Lol

 

[rahad]

Simple version
* If both picks are not in the top 10, Habs get the better of the two
* If both picks are in the top 10 (not likely), Habs get the worse of the two
* If one pick is in the top 10, Habs get the other pick.

Panthers pick won't be top 10. Flames are the team to watch... especially after their hot start. If they end up 11+, we are in a good spot.

Knowing our luck. We will see a stanley cup finals with Calgary vs Florida....

 

[26Mats]

Knowing our luck. We will see a stanley cup finals with Calgary vs Florida....

And Hughes will still turn the puck into a Hage level prospect.

 

[Habs7631]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1847085885868921232

Don't think I saw this posted around here, sorry for double if someone already shared.

 

[26Mats]

Flames pick up another point with an OTL in Seattle.

Calgary will finish ahead of the usual dregs of the league SJ/ANA/CHI/CBJ/MTL. Can they finish ahead of 5 more teams? I like the odds more and more every day. They already have a 9 point lead on Nashville. Lol

Buffalo, Nashville, Philadelphia, and Detroit are good candidates.

Then there's Ottawa, Utah, Washington, NYI, Pittsburgh, L.A., as good candidates for the last team. Injuries will play a factor.
It will be fun to follow. Two tanks is better than one.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Flames pick up another point with an OTL in Seattle.

Calgary will finish ahead of the usual dregs of the league SJ/ANA/CHI/CBJ/MTL. Can they finish ahead of 5 more teams? I like the odds more and more every day. They already have a 9 point lead on Nashville. Lol

At this rate, they may actually make the playoffs in the Pacific Division.

 

[WeThreeKings]

At this rate, they may actually make the playoffs in the Pacific Division.

That's fine that's like pick 16/17 when they are out round 1.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

That's fine that's like pick 16/17 when they are out round 1.

Thinking the same thing, actually. Anything top 20 would be cool.

 

[Deus ex machina]

'#4. If Florida finishes bottom 10, that pick moves to 2026 for Calgary. It's protected. That's actually not one of the conditions.

If Calgary doesn't get Florida’s 2025 pick then a whole host of other conditions come into play, including one where their pick is top 10 protected and another scenario where it's only 1OA protected. The latter one is extremely unlikely. They would have to trade Florida’s 2025 pick for that to happen, which they're obviously not going to do.

I think that if Florida's 2025 pick is top 10, then they keep it and the Habs get Calgary's 2025 pick, unless that pick is 1OA, then in that case, MTL gets the better of the 2 picks in 2026 instead (and get Calgary's 2025 3rd).
I don't see the scenario where Calgary's 2025 pick is top 10 protected if they don't get Florida's 2025 pick. It's only 1OA protected.

But like you said, it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
Florida is so annoying.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I think that if Florida's 2025 pick is top 10, then they keep it and the Habs get Calgary's 2025 pick, unless that pick is 1OA, then in that case, MTL gets the better of the 2 picks in 2026 instead (and get Calgary's 2025 3rd).
I don't see the scenario where Calgary's 2025 pick is top 10 protected if they don't get Florida's 2025 pick. It's only 1OA protected.

But like you said, it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
Florida is so annoying.

Yeah, Florida is not finishing bottom 10. They're a strong team, so personally it's not even worth considering that scenario.

Really it comes down to whether Calgary finishes bottom 10 (then we get Florida's pick, which is likely 25-32), or if Calgary finishes from 11+. Then we get their pick. A top 20 pick is an absolute win.

 

[rahad]

That's fine that's like pick 16/17 when they are out round 1.

Did we not say the same thing about Florida vs Boston? Pretty sure the Bruins had a record breaking season.....just to lose in the first round.

 

[McGees]

Hot start for CGY but…
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[WeThreeKings]

Did we not say the same thing about Florida vs Boston? Pretty sure the Bruins had a record breaking season.....just to lose in the first round.

Difference being Florida was an under achieving team that hit its stride late. Flames are an overachieving team that should be in the lottery.