HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[Habs Halifax]

Flames pick up another point with an OTL in Seattle.

Calgary will finish ahead of the usual dregs of the league SJ/ANA/CHI/CBJ/MTL. Can they finish ahead of 5 more teams? I like the odds more and more every day. They already have a 9 point lead on Nashville. Lol

West is not that strong and the Flames "pride" is going to push them to win more than expected. Still expecting to get the Panthers pick (20+) but if the Flames finish outside of the bottom 10, that's just awesome!

99% Chance that's going to be Florida pick

I would have had it at 99% before the season started. After the Flames start, I'd lower it to 75%

 

[26Mats]

If we don't trade them back..

KH the extortionist.

Flames 1st + for Rasmus Anderson?

I think KH may try to wait to sign him in the summer for free!

 

[SlafySZN]

The flames will regress soon, just need to not crash completely and we might get the 11-12-13 pick.

 

[vokiel]

Flames 1st + for Rasmus Anderson?

I think KH may try to wait to sign him in the summer for free!

That would be a missed opportunity, and I don't think he's going to be GM long enough to afford skipping those too often. Berg only lasted so long and his predecessor, 1 year. Hughes demonstrated he can gamble with Dach, Newhook, Barron & Laine, now it's time to show he can do hockey trades with a strong hand.

I don't think any MTL GM ever had strong cards like he has. Not in the last 2 decades anyhow.

 

[schwang26]

That would be a missed opportunity, and I don't think he's going to be GM long enough to afford skipping those too often. Berg only lasted so long and his predecessor, 1 year. Hughes demonstrated he can gamble with Dach, Newhook, Barron & Laine, now it's time to show he can do hockey trades with a strong hand.

I don't think any MTL GM ever had strong cards like he has. Not in the last 2 decades anyhow.

Wasn’t Bergevin here for 9,10 years? That’s pretty long. I’d be shocked if Hughes isn’t here that long or longer

 

[Habs Halifax]

Flames 1st + for Rasmus Anderson?

I think KH may try to wait to sign him in the summer for free!

I doubt we are major players for Anderson... regardless of how we want to improve the RD vet side. Anderson is on a value contract and cup contenders will be all over that. We should not be getting in bidding wars as a playoff pretender.

I rather wait for someone to become UFA (like R Anderson) or trade for someone younger who is under team control. Aside from making an exception for guys like Crosby, I would stay away from trading for a short term gain and using futures to acquire.

That would be a missed opportunity, and I don't think he's going to be GM long enough to afford skipping those too often. Berg only lasted so long and his predecessor, 1 year. Hughes demonstrated he can gamble with Dach, Newhook, Barron & Laine, now it's time to show he can do hockey trades with a strong hand.

I don't think any MTL GM ever had strong cards like he has. Not in the last 2 decades anyhow.

No way should we be trading for short term gains when we don't even know how close to the playoffs we are. It's premature. Wait till they become UFA or if it's a circumstantial trade like Laine (cheap). R Anderson won't be cheap... cup contenders will be all over this and very aggressive. Especially for a value contract.

 

[26Mats]

I doubt we are major players for Anderson... regardless of how we want to improve the RD vet side. Anderson is on a value contract and cup contenders will be all over that. We should not be getting in bidding wars as a playoff pretender.

I rather wait for someone to become UFA (like R Anderson) or trade for someone younger who is under team control. Aside from making an exception for guys like Crosby, I would stay away from trading for a short term gain and using futures to acquire.



No way should we be trading for short term gains when we don't even know how close to the playoffs we are. It's premature. Wait till they become UFA or if it's a circumstantial trade like Laine (cheap). R Anderson won't be cheap... cup contenders will be all over this and very aggressive. Especially for a value contract.

Anderson will turn 28 this year. He can be part of the short term and the long term.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anderson will turn 28 this year. He can be part of the short term and the long term.

High risks if he chooses UFA and we paid a huge price to acquire. Very risky IMO. Rather wait till he becomes UFA

 

[Habs Halifax]

The flames will regress soon, just need to not crash completely and we might get the 11-12-13 pick.

I would not hope for a complete crash because then it might get to 10 or lower. Let them ride the momentum and let the other teams (better on paper) pass them naturally.

 

[HankyZetts]

High risks if he chooses UFA and we paid a huge price to acquire. Very risky IMO. Rather wait till he becomes UFA

Way riskier to wait until he is ufa than to find out if he wants to sign with us now and make a deal to do it before every other team can make room and offer him money

 

[26Mats]

High risks if he chooses UFA and we paid a huge price to acquire. Very risky IMO. Rather wait till he becomes UFA

Yes, I only trade for him if there's a contract in place or a conversation with his agent that he'll sign in Montreal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes, I only trade for him if there's a contract in place or a conversation with his agent that he'll sign in Montreal.

Something to watch our for. He has a 5-6 NTC. Surely, we are not on that list right?

I do fear a bidding war to come though. A RD on a value contract? The list of teams in on him will be 10+

Way riskier to wait until he is ufa than to find out if he wants to sign with us now and make a deal to do it before every other team can make room and offer him money

What do you think the price is? I see 10+ teams bidding. This will be a 1st and B+ prospect at worse IMO. The advantage we do have is cap space and assets but I worry about trading our 1st (even with protection). Will be interesting to see how the Panthers/Flames 1st tracks close to the TDL.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Panthers are the only team in the top 16 with a - goal differential. I do believe they lost some depth but they are off to a good record. Not 100% sold that they are a top 5 team and they have played a lot of hockey over the last 2 years.

Not going to hold my breath but there is a chance they slip to top 10-15 range vs top 5.

 

[HankyZetts]

Something to watch our for. He has a 5-6 NTC. Surely, we are not on that list right?

I do fear a bidding war to come though. A RD on a value contract? The list of teams in on him will be 10+



What do you think the price is? I see 10+ teams bidding. This will be a 1st and B+ prospect at worse IMO. The advantage we do have is cap space and assets but I worry about trading our 1st (even with protection). Will be interesting to see how the Panthers/Flames 1st tracks close to the TDL.

Rasmus is definitely worth a 1st and b prospect, and also a long term contract, in my opinion

 

[Habs Halifax]

Rasmus is definitely worth a 1st and b prospect, and also a long term contract, in my opinion

Doubt it gets to 1st and A prospect because that is rare. I guess whoever has the best 1st to offer as well as the B+ prospect (trending well). Or would they flip it and ask for a Grade A prospect and B+ or 2nd rounder instead?

Possible a cup contender offers them the A prospect and they like that better than the 1st.

 

[SlafySZN]

I would not hope for a complete crash because then it might get to 10 or lower. Let them ride the momentum and let the other teams (better on paper) pass them naturally.

Exactly!

 

[vokiel]

No way should we be trading for short term gains...

No one said trading a lottery pick for short term gains is an idea anywhere on this thread.

Wasn’t Bergevin here for 9,10 years? That’s pretty long. I’d be shocked if Hughes isn’t here that long or longer

It isn't long considering they take at least 3 years up to 5 of patience on each of their draft picks.

 

[schwang26]

No one said trading a lottery pick for short term gains is an idea anywhere on this thread.


It isn't long considering they take at least 3 years up to 5 of patience on each of their draft picks.

If it’s an overhaul/rebuild, then ya.

 

[vokiel]

If it’s an overhaul/rebuild, then ya.

It's the same if you have a GM who religulously drafts BPA without any kind of medium/long term view of his project. A decade is a pretty short span of time to find or replace any core player. Right now we are missing several, they can't skip on opportunities to get a top pairing dman or a top line center, or any other piece for the price of middling first.

They got Dach for a middling first no? As an example, it's just not panning out. So if the Flames 1st becomes a middling first, maybe they should trade for another potential core player again. They may not get that opportunity in the remaining years of their tenure.

 

[schwang26]

It's the same if you have a GM who religulously drafts BPA without any kind of medium/long term view of his project. A decade is a pretty short span of time to find or replace any core player. Right now we are missing several, they can't skip on opportunities to get a top pairing dman or a top line center, or any other piece for the price of middling first.

They got Dach for a middling first no? As an example, it's just not panning out. So if the Flames 1st becomes a middling first, maybe they should trade for another potential core player again. They may not get that opportunity in the remaining years of their tenure.

I get that. They most likely will use assets to get what they can. I doubt a middle first gets you a top line player or top pair D though. At least by itself.

 

[junyab]

Flames 1st + for Rasmus Anderson?

I think KH may try to wait to sign him in the summer for free!

As I've been saying everywhere. The price to acquire Andersson would be significant - a #1RD with amazing AAV and super short term. I could see a contender pay through the roof to get him. I highly doubt we'd overpay or outbid to get him.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Anderson will turn 28 this year. He can be part of the short term and the long term.

For Calgary as well. No reason for them to move him unless they get a ridiculous offer.

 

[26Mats]

For Calgary as well. No reason for them to move him unless they get a ridiculous offer.

They'll move hi. By trade deadline if he doesn't commit to resigning.

 

[vokiel]

I get that. They most likely will use assets to get what they can. I doubt a middle first gets you a top line player or top pair D though. At least by itself.

Well we did get Dach for a 13th overall. Other GMs might not be as naive as KH, adding to that 1st though should definitely get us somewhere and we have lots of prospects they can choose from.

 

[bsl]

If Flames finish 11th or higher in the standings, or rather the lottery results in the Flames picking 11th or later, we get their pick. Gotta become Flames fans and hope our prayers have some kind of propelling force.

If the flames are 9th worst at tdl. And want to make po. Pull a sam pollock and trade them a decent player.