HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[LaP]

I’m going with this and you get the quote since your the last reply! Calgary to be pushed out to the 11th pick either by lottery teams moving a head of them by winning the lottery or just having the flames finish 22nd in the league which grants them that pick. I’m not sold yet on the Habs finishing in the bottom 5, but only because as I said before not signing Stamkos, I’m ok with disappointment, I deal with it well.

Having a 5th pick and an 11th pick would be something to end our rebuilding!

That would be dope honestly and we could look forward for sure.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Your basic reading comprehension is lacking, or you're being purposely optuse. I'm not wasting any more time repeating the same thing to you. In fact, no point exchanging anything with you since you can't comprehend what you read.

Goodbye

Very bizarre behaviour coming from you. He has backed up his claim with evidence. At some point we will get a confirmation if the Florida pick is lottery protected or top10 protected. Both are being used by different sources, but they do not mean the same thing.

Capfriendly has a reputation for being on the ball, I am inclined to believe the pick is lottery protected.

Now what does lottery protected mean? Does it mean it’s only protected if you win the lottery or simply participate in the lottery? At this point I feel the conversation is moot as I do not believe Florida will miss the playoffs.

Let’s go Flames! Finish 22nd in the NHL

 

[GrandBison]

On puckpedia, for the 2025 FLA pick.

CONDITIONS
If 2024 conditional 1st Round Pick owned by Philadelphia moves to 2025, this pick moves to 2026. If this pick is top 10, Calgary receives 2026 1st Round Pick

Edit: saw @BoneHutson screenshots above, ok, seems like their is sources on both side so let’s wait and see! It’s quite important because finishing 9th in the east is not impossible for Florida. It can mean 96/98 points some season….

Capfriendly had it "lottery protected" rather than "top 10" protected, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Very bizarre behaviour coming from you. He has backed up his claim with evidence. At some point we will get a confirmation if the Florida pick is lottery protected or top10 protected. Both are being used by different sources, but they do not mean the same thing.

Capfriendly has a reputation for being on the ball, I am inclined to believe the pick is lottery protected.

Now what does lottery protected mean? Does it mean it’s only protected if you win the lottery or simply participate in the lottery? At this point I feel the conversation is moot as I do not believe Florida will miss the playoffs.

Let’s go Flames! Finish 22nd in the NHL

Lottery protected, in past trades meant that the team is participating at the lottery.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

So who are we rooting for to lose next year

 

[GrandBison]

So who are we rooting for to lose next year

Both the Panthers and the Flames... and the Bruins of course.

 

[bcv]

Very bizarre behaviour coming from you. He has backed up his claim with evidence. At some point we will get a confirmation if the Florida pick is lottery protected or top10 protected. Both are being used by different sources, but they do not mean the same thing.

Capfriendly has a reputation for being on the ball, I am inclined to believe the pick is lottery protected.

Now what does lottery protected mean? Does it mean it’s only protected if you win the lottery or simply participate in the lottery? At this point I feel the conversation is moot as I do not believe Florida will miss the playoffs.

Let’s go Flames! Finish 22nd in the NHL

I stopped reading after your 2nd sentence. He provided 0 evidence of the CGY-MTL trade, he only provided some for the CGY-FLA trade, which has no impact on the CGY-MTL trade if the CGY pick is outside of the top10.

 

[LaP]

I spent the whole summer of 2023 telling you guys the Bruins would not miss the playoffs last year and apparently i'll have to spend this whole summer 2024 telling you guys Florida wont miss next season. You guys have totally unrealistic expectations. It's like you're buying a house and a 649 ticket thinking you'll pay the house with the 649 jackpot.

 

[windycity]

 

[Walksss]

I spent the whole summer of 2023 telling you guys the Bruins would not miss the playoffs last year and apparently i'll have to spend this whole summer 2024 telling you guys Florida wont miss next season. You guys have totally unrealistic expectations. It's like you're buying a house and a 649 ticket thinking you'll pay the house with the 649 jackpot.

They are missing next year. You heard it here first.

 

[Essenege]

I stopped reading after your 2nd sentence. He provided 0 evidence of the CGY-MTL trade, he only provided some for the CGY-FLA trade, which has no impact on the CGY-MTL trade if the CGY pick is outside of the top10.

CGY-FLA trade is relevant because if CGY doesn’t have FLA 2025 pick on hand, we get their pick no top 10 protection (1st overall protected)

 

[montreal]

I disagree. If Calgary draft 11th-12th then we get their pick no matter what. This is what is important.

Not at all, it only matters if CGY's pick is top10.

you are correct, I was thinking about the 1st OA protection that's also built in. So if the Flames pick is top 11 then it doesn't matter we will get the Flames pick but their are additional conditions as well.

Can you imagine the chaos if Hughes trades for that FLA first in 25? Maybe something like Savard 50% for that pick? Then they are forced to give the 26 one to CGY anf we get CGYs top 1 protected first haha. I hope Hughes is considering the idea


You clearly misread the conditions attached to the trade AND the Tkachuk one.

They can't trade that pick.

why not, as far as I know you can trade conditional picks in the NHL. I know they made some changes to the conditions like it can't be based a player re-signing or not anymore.

 

[Weltschmerz]

you are correct, I was thinking about the 1st OA protection that's also built in. So if the Flames pick is top 11 then it doesn't matter we will get the Flames pick but their are additional conditions as well.





why not, as far as I know you can trade conditional picks in the NHL. I know they made some changes to the conditions like it can't be based a player re-signing or not anymore.

Because they traded it already to the flames, best they can do trade the 26 pick with matching conditions. They can't trade the 25 pick again.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Imagine if that happen guys:

If CGY pick 1st in 2025, MTL will receive their 3rd pick in 2025 AND the better pick between CGY//FLA in 2026, OMG!!!

In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).

 

[Benstheman]

Imagine if that happen guys:

If CGY pick 1st in 2025, MTL will receive their 3rd pick in 2025 AND the better pick between CGY//FLA in 2026, OMG!!!

In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).

Really ???

 

[KevSkillz4]

Really ???

Yess, that would be incredible.

 

[NeptunesTrident]

I think there’s a real chance Calgary will be a bottom 5 team and be in a great position to win the lottery. That would kick our pick to 2026 and reward us with the best pick of Calgary/Florida.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I think there’s a real chance Calgary will be a bottom 5 team and be in a great position to win the lottery. That would kick our pick to 2026 and reward us with the best pick of Calgary/Florida.

Don't think that's how this works. Florida won't finish bottom 10

 

[HuGort]

Imagine if that happen guys:

If CGY pick 1st in 2025, MTL will receive their 3rd pick in 2025 AND the better pick between CGY//FLA in 2026, OMG!!!

In the event Calgary's 2025 first (1st) round choice is the first (1st) selection overall in the 2025 NHL Draft (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Calgary will retain its own 2025 first (1st) round choice and Montreal shall instead receive Calgary's own 2025 third (3rd) round choice and a conditional 2026 first (1st) round choice. Montreal shall receive the better of Calgary's 2026 first (1st) round choice or Florida's 2026 first (1st) round choice (following the determination of the 2026 NHL Draft lottery results) (previously conditionally acquired by Calgary).

Most complicated trade Canadiens ever made

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Don't think that's how this works. Florida won't finish bottom 10

Probably not. But they have had 2 long seasons and been very lucky. No injuries etc. Defense is a lot weaker. If a few things go wrong this season it is possible.

 

[GrandBison]

Habs need to kick a hangover Panthers team out of the playoffs. But if Conroy plays like Pollock, he will help the Panthers in a playoff push as it's the best scenario for him to keep his pick.

 

[Walksss]

I guess I'm the guy who is spearheading the Panthers downfall this season. So be it. I actually think they're one or two injuries away from missing the playoffs.

1) They've lost all their depth in their bottom 6, and D, including Montour who was their 2nd or 3rd best, depending on opinion.

2) They've played more hockey than any other team in the NHL over the last 24 months, that takes a toll.

3) Bobrovski is old AF and has been inconsistent over his career even in his prime years, maybe we get the down year this year.l

4) The classic stanley cup hangover is a real thing and if they get off to a slow start the Atlantic is gonna be even more competitive.

Add all that up and I think they're far from a lock to be some dominant team, as popular as that take might be.

They miss the playoffs and we get that sweet sweet Calgary pick that would make our dreams come true.

Believe people.

 

[SOLR]

I spent the whole summer of 2023 telling you guys the Bruins would not miss the playoffs last year and apparently i'll have to spend this whole summer 2024 telling you guys Florida wont miss next season. You guys have totally unrealistic expectations. It's like you're buying a house and a 649 ticket thinking you'll pay the house with the 649 jackpot.

Hmm one in 14,000,000, great odds

 

[waitin425]

I believe this pick is likely to be between 11-16. I don't think Calgary makes the playoffs, and I don't think Florida misses them. We should be rooting for Calgary to not completely bottom out, because if they do....we will be getting the Florida pick....which is easily 20+ in my opinion.

 

[The Real Timo]

Phenomenal. It’s been 2 years and I still do t understand the f***ing pick scenarios.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I went the Humanities route so I would never have to do math ever again. Call me when we actually know which rank we're picking, I'll be lying down from the headache