HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[Gustave]

We need the Panthers to finish above 10th overall so they transfer their pick to CGY and then we have full authority on their 2025 pick which is only 1st ov protected.

It could be the ultimate assets for us to acquire top tier talent and bring our rebuild to a whole other level



They will go nowhere with this bunch of overpaid scrub

It would be like saying we dont rebuild because we have Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak and Matheson on long term contract.

Meaning a bottom 10 finish in the standings, right?

 

[DAChampion]

We need the Panthers to finish above 10th overall so they transfer their pick to CGY and then we have full authority on their 2025 pick which is only 1st ov protected.

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Are you saying the Habs should trade good players to the Panthers?

 

[Jaynki]

I think Treliving did everything to save his job, like Bergevin but happily enough Price and Weber were signed before his last year and went on LTIR. Common practice should be to fire or extend a GM one year before his comtract ends

Well, i think those were his intentions. But then he loaded his franchise with close to 200M USD contract on old, declining players.

He was reactionary to an infortune situation. Junior type of stuff. A real professional have to be a step further those type of things.

So yes indeed, a very similar fashion to Bergevin. Imagine, they were the two final contenders for Toronto GM spot with Chiarelli

Meaning a bottom 10 finish in the standings, right?

Nop, they need 11 overall or higher.

Are you saying the Habs should trade good players to the Panthers?

Depends by who you means good player. If we are talking Anserson, Gallagher or Armia, yes yes, i am saying that

 

[DAChampion]

Can the Habs get a 1st overall in 2026?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Huberdeau Kadri Weegar all have 7+ years, Coleman Markstrom have overpaid 3 years left, Andersson is a very good D (under a cheap contract). That s why they wont rebuild most likely. The three last years of the first three contracts mentioned are going to be awful. I don t see them rebuilding in the next 4/5 years.

thats a dog meat lineup , we all know they won't rebuild because of stupid good for nothing canadian ownership but they should

 

[Gustave]

Nop, they need 11 overall or higher.

See, what I'm missing in all this is what moves Philly's pick to Fla to CGY in 2025...

 

[SwiftyHab]

I put the conditions for the Calgary draft pick in Chat GPT, and the website flashed “Not enough processing power to compute” before it shut down.

 

[morhilane]

See, what I'm missing in all this is what moves Philly's pick to Fla to CGY in 2025...

2024 Fla's pick to Philly is top 10 protected.

 

[ReHabs]

It would be like saying we dont rebuild because we have Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak and Matheson on long term contract.

Ehh. Not one of these guys is comparable to any of Huberdeau, Weegar, or Kadri.

 

[Jaynki]

Ehh. Not one of these guys is comparable to any of Huberdeau, Weegar, or Kadri.

Indeed but its still pretty incredible that these guy are signed for the next 6-8 years at over 24M combined.

CGY wont go anywhere with that.

To put things into perspective

Caufield contracts and Huberdeau contract both start and ends at the same date. Caufield cost ~2.5M aav less. One is in a golden spot from age 22-30. The other is the worst contract in the league.

 

[ReHabs]

Indeed but its still pretty incredible that these guy are signed for the next 6-8 years at over 24M combined.

CGY wont go anywhere with that.

To put things into perspective

Caufield contracts and Huberdeau contract both start and ends at the same date. Caufield cost ~2.5M aav less. One is in a golden spot from age 22-30. The other is the worst contract in the league.

Huberdeau extension was hasty and strange. He's massively underperforming that contract. The problem is all three of them are massively underperforming. So yeah I see what you mean.

 

[Jaynki]

Huberdeau extension was hasty and strange. He's massively underperforming that contract. The problem is all three of them are massively underperforming. So yeah I see what you mean.

Ridiculous move by Treliving. He got schooled by Zito.

The latter traded two upcoming 30YO UFA for f***ing Matthew Tkachuk.

Treliving was reactionary. He did not acted in a calm, calculated manner. Similar to MB who let KK go and traded for Dvorak instantly. Emotional, precipitated moves.

Thats not really savvy from apparently experienced businesman.

On top of that, he paid a 1st to drop a player to sign Kadri. And its trending for this 1st to be a top pick.

Hopefully our new administration won't have these type of destructive behavior.

 

[Tyson]

Ridiculous move by Treliving. He got schooled by Zito.

The latter traded two upcoming 30YO UFA for f***ing Matthew Tkachuk.

Treliving was reactionary. He did not acted in a calm, calculated manner. Similar to MB who let KK go and traded for Dvorak instantly. Emotional, precipitated moves.

Thats not really savvy from apparently experienced businesman.

On top of that, he paid a 1st to drop a player to sign Kadri. And its trending for this 1st to be a top pick.

Hopefully our new administration won't have these type of destructive behavior.

And Toronto sees Treliving as the answer.

 

[Jaynki]

And Toronto sees Treliving as the answer.

Incredible. He was competing with Bergevin and Chiarelli for the spot at the end.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Can the Habs get a 1st overall in 2026?

Wondering the same thing. Under what conditions do the Habs get no pick in neither 24 nor 25?

 

[salbutera]

Ridiculous move by Treliving. He got schooled by Zito.

The latter traded two upcoming 30YO UFA for f***ing Matthew Tkachuk.

Treliving was reactionary. He did not acted in a calm, calculated manner. Similar to MB who let KK go and traded for Dvorak instantly. Emotional, precipitated moves.

Thats not really savvy from apparently experienced businesman.

On top of that, he paid a 1st to drop a player to sign Kadri. And its trending for this 1st to be a top pick.

Hopefully our new administration won't have these type of destructive behavior.

GMs do not operate in some bubble, owners set their mandates…

Recall, Cgy owner Murray Edwards brought in Sutter and also extended Sutter with no input from his GM.

 

[Jaynki]

GMs do not operate in some bubble, owners set their mandates…

Indeed.

GMs do not operate in some bubble, owners set their mandates…

Indeed. We can only judge with the information we have.

How do you think the Flames owner feel with the Huberdeau contract, Kadri contract and Weegar contract?

Those contract are over 200M CAD for him and his team suck and have no direction. Its grim.

 

[salbutera]

Indeed.

Indeed. We can only judge with the information we have.

How do you think the Flames owner feel with the Huberdeau contract, Kadri contract and Weegar contract?

Those contract are over 200M CAD for him and his team suck and have no direction. Its grim.

Murray Edwards mandate was no rebuild, must be competitive - Treliving was following orders

Either lost Tkachuk for nothing or try and salvage something to help in the present - the cost of doing business is $ given to Huberdeau etc

 

[Jaynki]

Wondering the same thing. Under what conditions do the Habs get no pick in neither 24 nor 25?

1)CGY pick for 2024 is top-19 protected. If he is in the 20-32 range, Habs have 48HRS before the draft to decide if they take the 2024 pick or defer to the 2025 pick.

2)the CGY 2025 pick is only 1OV protected.

But to have CGY 2025 pick, we need the Panthers to transfer them their 1st pick, that is top10 protected.

So we need Panthers to not select top 10.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

1)CGY pick for 2024 is top-19 protected. If he is in the 20-32 range, Habs have 48HRS before the draft to decide if they take the 2024 pick or defer to the 2025 pick.

2)the CGY 2025 pick is only 1OV protected.

But to have CGY 2025 pick, we need the Panthers to transfer them their 1st pick, that is top10 protected.

So we need Panthers to not select top 10.

Therefore, in 25, if CGY picks 1OA with Panthers out of 10, CGY's 2026 first-rounder falls to the Habs unconditionally?

 

[Jaynki]

Murray Edwards mandate was no rebuild, must be competitive - Treliving was following orders

Either lost Tkachuk for nothing or try and salvage something to help in the present - the cost of doing business is $ given to Huberdeau etc

Well then they are tributary of their decisions and they are the one who will live with that.

Edwards and Treliving are in the end both behind that and they are both victim of their emotional, irrational and agressive, uncalculated decision.

Apparently NJ offered the 2nd overall for Matthew Tkachuk.

Therefore, in 25, if CGY picks 1OA with Panthers out of 10, CGY's 2026 first-rounder falls to the Habs unconditionally?

Yes

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Well then they are tributary of their decisions and they are the one who will live with that.

Edwards and Treliving are in the end both behind that and they are both victim of their emotional, irrational and agressive, uncalculated decision.

Apparently NJ offered the 2nd overall for Matthew Tkachuk.


Yes

Seems inconceivable that this genius is the best the Leafs could hire to run their club.

 

[salbutera]

Well then they are tributary of their decisions and they are the one who will live with that.

Edwards and Treliving are in the end both behind that and they are both victim of their emotional, irrational and agressive, uncalculated decision.

Apparently NJ offered the 2nd overall for Matthew Tkachuk.


Yes

Tkachuk would only sign a contract with a handful of no state tax southern US locales, STL being the only higher tax exception - all offers were based on an extension being signed

 

[Jaynki]

Seems inconceivable that this genius is the best the Leafs could hire to run their club.

Agree.

But i think his father Jim Treliving, the founder of the Boston Pizza brands has close tie with Maple Leafs board of directors.

Cronyism at his best. Bergevin would have been such a show in Toronto tho.

Tkachuk would only sign a contract with a handful of no state tax southern US locales, STL being the only higher tax exception - all offers were based on an extension being signed

They were cornered its a fact. Them overreacting and taking the worst rushed decision in the context is also a fact.

 

[DAChampion]

In fairness to Calgary, Huberdeau is declining more rapidly than expected.

Separately, of I understand the conditions correctly, it is next year that the Habs should trade good players to the Panthers.