HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[CHfan1]

Therefore, in 25, if CGY picks 1OA with Panthers out of 10, CGY's 2026 first-rounder falls to the Habs unconditionally?

Yes

The only way for the Habs to get a 2026 1st is if Florida picks top 10 in either the 2024 or 2025 draft (which means Calgary gets Florida’s 2026 pick) and Calgary has the 1st overall pick in 2025. If that were to happen the Habs get the 2026 Calgary or Florida 1st round pick, whichever one is better.

If Florida doesn’t pick in the top 10 in either the 2024 of 2025 draft and Calgary’s pick is top 10 (including if it’s 1st overall) in 2025 the Habs get Florida’s 2025 pick (in the 11-32 range).

 

[Sam I Am]

One step at a time.

What should Habs fans be hoping for this season (2023-24) in order to maximize our chance of eventually snagging a high first-rounder?

 

[salbutera]

In fairness to Calgary, Huberdeau is declining more rapidly than expected.

Separately, of I understand the conditions correctly, it is next year that the Habs should trade good players to the Panthers.

I’d be willing to offer up Gallagher for Huberdeau , 1-for-1

IMO Huberdeau would be put in a position for success under MSL - but low moment

 

[WeThreeKings]

One step at a time.

What should Habs fans be hoping for this season (2023-24) in order to maximize our chance of eventually snagging a high first-rounder?

Calgary to finish with a pick between 1-19. That way they can't send us their 2024 1st.. and next year we hope they don't win 1OA and that Panthers don't pick top 10.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Calgary to finish with a pick between 1-19. That way they can't send us their 2024 1st.. and next year we hope they don't win 1OA and that Panthers don't pick top 10.

It's our option this year if Calgary is picking 20th to 32nd in 2024. Calgary cannot MAKE us take that pick.

The only way we can get a top 10 pick in 2025 is if either:

Florida is bottom 10 this year,​

forcing the Florida pick going to Calagary over to 2026; AND​

Calgary drafts 2nd to 10th in 2025​

OR

Florida is not bottom 10 this year; and​

Calgary and Florida are BOTH bottom 10 next year.​

 

[Benstheman]

Calgary to finish with a pick between 1-19. That way they can't send us their 2024 1st.. and next year we hope they don't win 1OA and that Panthers don't pick top 10.

That's seems very likely to happen. So in that case, we get Calgary's 2025 1st??

 

[BaseballCoach]

Calgary to finish with a pick between 1-19. That way they can't send us their 2024 1st.. and next year we hope they don't win 1OA and that Panthers don't pick top 10.

How does Flolrida not picking top 10 next year help us?

 

[LesCanadiens]

It's our option this year if Calgary is picking 20th to 32nd in 2024. Calgary cannot MAKE us take that pick.

The only way we can get a top 10 pick in 2025 is if either:

Florida is bottom 10 this year,​

forcing the Florida pick going to Calagary over to 2026; AND​

Calgary drafts 2nd to 10th in 2025​

OR

Florida is not bottom 10 this year; and​

Calgary and Florida are BOTH bottom 10 next year.​

Hate that so much hinges on Florida, lol. I can see CGY being bottom-ten this year and next year...so we have to cross our fingers that Fla drops for some reason as well.

 

[Tyson]

I will worry about this pick when it happens.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I’d be willing to offer up Gallagher for Huberdeau , 1-for-1

IMO Huberdeau would be put in a position for success under MSL - but low moment

Personally, I'd never do that trade. wingers essentially decline at 30, Huberdau (30) has 8 more years at 10 million! that's insane and a radioactive buyout.
gallagher's (31 ) is also terrible but it's done in 3 years after this season and is a far more digestible buyout.
No way I go anywhere near that Huberdeau contract / player

 

[Tyson]

Personally, I'd never do that trade. wingers essentially decline at 30, Huberdau (30) has 8 more years at 10 million! that's insane and a radioactive buyout.
gallagher's (31 ) is also terrible but it's done in 3 years after this season and is a far more digestible buyout.
No way I go anywhere near that Huberdeau contract / player

Yeah we saw how the Price contract worked out. Treliving is a Bergevin level idiot.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Personally, I'd never do that trade. wingers essentially decline at 30, Huberdau (30) has 8 more years at 10 million! that's insane and a radioactive buyout.
gallagher's (31 ) is also terrible but it's done in 3 years after this season and is a far more digestible buyout.
No way I go anywhere near that Huberdeau contract / player

I agree and I also feel that somehow we could well be out of Gally's cap hit in less than 4 years.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yeah we saw how the Price contract worked out. Treliving is a Bergevin level idiot.

Treliving may have had no choice. If ownership wouldn't allow a rebuild then he had to replace Gaudreau and Crapchuk. And probably the only way to get a player like Huberdeau to stay in Calgary was to overpay in length and salary.

 

[LaP]

In fairness to Calgary, Huberdeau is declining more rapidly than expected.

Separately, of I understand the conditions correctly, it is next year that the Habs should trade good players to the Panthers.

A good GM should never have any expectation on how fast and when a player will decline. After 30 you never know. Denis Savard had lost a major step at 29 he went from a top player in the league to an average top 6 player in 2-3 years. Savard did 131 points as a 26 years old and then 59 points as a 29 years old. He would never do 80+ points against after that. Kirk Muller was mostly done at 28 he went from solid first line center to an okaish bottom 6 player in 2-3 years. Correy Perry hit a serious wall at 31 too. Forsberg, ... I could come up with many more examples. It is my opinion that when you acquire or sign players over 30 you should be very cautious to not overpay. Unless it's a deadline rental assume the player will slow down and pay the price for the slow down version of him.

 

[LaP]

That's seems very likely to happen. So in that case, we get Calgary's 2025 1st??

If the Flames makes the playoffs i'm gonna be more surprised than if Jennifer Lawrence call me for a date this weekend.

 

[salbutera]

If the Flames makes the playoffs i'm gonna be more surprised than if Jennifer Lawrence call me for a date this weekend.

Did u check your voicemail?

 

[LaP]

Treliving may have had no choice. If ownership wouldn't allow a rebuild then he had to replace Gaudreau and Crapchuk. And probably the only way to get a player like Huberdeau to stay in Calgary was to overpay in length and salary.

It's hard to blame Treliving too much for what happened. He was put in a very bad spot when his two stars refused to extend despite him offering them lot of money. He went from a position where he had two young stars and the possibility to go for it to a position where he had to maybe rebuild overnight. Not easy to sell the the fans. It's a little bit akin to the Expos in 94. I think he did relatively well in his attempt to replace them. It was never going to age well but he could have realistically extended the window 2-3 years. His biggest mistake was keeping Sutter around. It looks like everybody wanted out of there when Sutter was the coach. Probably some locker room shit we don't know.

 

[salbutera]

It's hard to blame Treliving too much for what happened. He was put in a very bad spot when his two stars refused to extend despite him offering them lot of money. He went from a position where he had two young stars and the possibility to go for it to a position where he had to maybe rebuild overnight. Not easy to sell the the fans. It's a little bit akin to the Expos in 94. I think he did relatively well in his attempt to replace them. It was never going to age well but he could have realistically extended the window 2-3 years. His biggest mistake was keeping Sutter around. It looks like everybody wanted out of there when Sutter was the coach. Probably some locker room shit we don't know.

Treliving didn’t hire Sutter or extend Sutter - that was the owner (Murray Edwards), who didn’t even ask Treliving for input on either decision per Gord Miller

 

[HuGo Sham]

I agree and I also feel that somehow we could well be out of Gally's cap hit in less than 4 years.

absolutely

 

[Hins77]

A good GM should never have any expectation on how fast and when a player will decline. After 30 you never know. Denis Savard had lost a major step at 29 he went from a top player in the league to an average top 6 player in 2-3 years. Savard did 131 points as a 26 years old and then 59 points as a 29 years old. He would never do 80+ points against after that. Kirk Muller was mostly done at 28 he went from solid first line center to an okaish bottom 6 player in 2-3 years. Correy Perry hit a serious wall at 31 too. Forsberg, ... I could come up with many more examples. It is my opinion that when you acquire or sign players over 30 you should be very cautious to not overpay. Unless it's a deadline rental assume the player will slow down and pay the price for the slow down version of him.

I will never understand the rush to sign guys likes Weegar and Huberdeau early on the previous season. Huberdeau 29 years old is always tricky at that moment. On cap era, sometimes free cap space is more valuable than a player. Look Carolina, they didnt signed Hamilton, Faulk, probably Pesce won’t be resign and they are still a good team.
Pretty aure Treluving would have receive good return for Huberdeau last deadline if it wasnt at that cost.

 

[Sam I Am]

Calgary to finish with a pick between 1-19. That way they can't send us their 2024 1st.. and next year we hope they don't win 1OA and that Panthers don't pick top 10.

Thanks. That seems pretty straightforward.

So if Calgary misses the playoffs this season, we're good?

 

[rahad]

A good GM should never have any expectation on how fast and when a player will decline. After 30 you never know. Denis Savard had lost a major step at 29 he went from a top player in the league to an average top 6 player in 2-3 years. Savard did 131 points as a 26 years old and then 59 points as a 29 years old. He would never do 80+ points against after that. Kirk Muller was mostly done at 28 he went from solid first line center to an okaish bottom 6 player in 2-3 years. Correy Perry hit a serious wall at 31 too. Forsberg, ... I could come up with many more examples. It is my opinion that when you acquire or sign players over 30 you should be very cautious to not overpay. Unless it's a deadline rental assume the player will slow down and pay the price for the slow down version of him.

His job has on the line. Blame the owner for signing this horrible deal. People do crazy stuff to keep there job. They should have gone full rebuild. Yet , the owner wanted a ''competitive'' team. Now he is going to pay for that decision.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Thanks. That seems pretty straightforward.

So if Calgary misses the playoffs this season, we're good?

Irrelevant.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Calgary to finish with a pick between 1-19. That way they can't send us their 2024 1st.. and next year we hope they don't win 1OA and that Panthers don't pick top 10.

The 2024 pick is Hughes' decision should it fall between 20-32. Calgary has no say in that.

 

[CHwest]

One step at a time.

What should Habs fans be hoping for this season (2023-24) in order to maximize our chance of eventually snagging a high first-rounder?

Loses for the Habs.