HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[Redux91]

I can't help but think about Quantum Mechanics when it comes to this thing lol

Right now the pick is in SuperPosition lol

(Yes yes, the cat is both alive and dead at the same time too lol)

 

[GrandBison]

I can't help but think about Quantum Mechanics when it comes to this thing lol

Right now the pick is in SuperPosition lol

(Yes yes, the cat is both alive and dead at the same time too lol)

Pick from Monahan trade: The Schrödinger pick! haha

 

[BaseballCoach]

Loses for the Habs.

With respect to the 2025 Calgary pick, Florida drafting Top 10 this year would be helpful, because Calgary will probably do worse than Florida next year, so having only one pick in play might be better for us.

If Florida does not finish in the bottom 10 this year, then we need BOTH Florida and Calgary to finish in the bottom ten next year.

The other option could be if Florida is not bottom-10 and Calgary finishes close to but not earlier than drafting 20th this year, maybe we take it, siknce we may end up with Florida's pick in 2025 and it could be worse than 20th.

 

[GrandBison]

With respect to the 2025 Calgary pick, Florida drafting Top 10 this year would be helpful, because Calgary will probably do worse than Florida next year, so having only one pick in play might be better for us.

If Florida does not finish in the bottom 10 this year, then we need BOTH Florioda and Calgary to finish in the bottom ten next year.

The other option could be if Florida is not bottom-10 and Calgary finishes close to but not earlier than drafting 20th this year, maybe we take it, siknce we may end up with Florida's pick in 2025 and it could be worse than 20th.

I see Florida going lottery this year and Stanley Cup final in 2025 just because they play to screw the Habs.

 

[montreal]

I thought we can turn down the '24 pick. Still confused...lol.

think of it this way, there's a condition, so either that is met or it's not. So if the Flames pick is 20th OA or higher then the condition is met and then we can chose if we want to take the pick or not. If their pick is 19th OA or lower then the condition is not met so nothing is done and it just moves to '25 draft.

Really the easy way to look at it is the key for now is where do the panthers end up picking this summer and go from there.

 

[montreal]

 

[montreal]

there's also a condition where we could get CGY top 2 overall pick if florida is also top 10 if I remember. My eyes bleed when i watch the trade's conditions lol

Think of it as this, if the Flames don't get the Panthers 1st in '25 then the Flames 1st in '25 becomes top 10 protected.

Really everything kind of starts with the Panthers. First do they suck this year or not. As everything hinges on do they even have a pick to send to the Flames or not. Once we learn that, it opens a bunch of conditions.

So the main key to this trade is will the Flames get the Panthers 1st round pick in '25 or not. So much relies on that.

 

[LaP]

there's also a condition where we could get CGY top 2 overall pick if florida is also top 10 if I remember. My eyes bleed when i watch the trade's conditions lol

If Florida's pick in 2025 is top 10 (of their pick in 2024 is top 10 which means their 2025 pick will go to Flyers) then it doesn't go to Calgary and instead if will be a 2026 pick. In this case we get Calgary's pick unless it's first overall.

So basically if Florida draft top 10 either in2024 or 2025 their 2025 pick doesn't go to Calgary and we will get Calgary's pick in 2025 unless it's first overall.

 

[themilosh]

Pick from Monahan trade: The Schrödinger pick! haha

I can see Money staying, we get the 2nd O/A (Michael Misa) with Calgary pick and the two of them hoist the cup 3 years later.

 

[LaP]

Think of it as this, if the Flames don't get the Panthers 1st in '25 then the Flames 1st in '25 becomes top 10 protected.

Really everything kind of starts with the Panthers. First do they suck this year or not. As everything hinges on do they even have a pick to send to the Flames or not. Once we learn that, it opens a bunch of conditions.

So the main key to this trade is will the Flames get the Panthers 1st round pick in '25 or not. So much relies on that.

I think it's only 1st overall protected if they don't have Florida's pick.. It's top 10 protected only if they have the Florida's pick in this case we get Florida's pick.

I could be mistaken but i think it works this way.

If Flames get Florida's pick in 2025 : If both pick are outside the top 10 we get the better pick. If Calgary's pick is top 10 we get Florida's pick.

If Flames doesn't get Florida's pick in 2025 (Florida pick is either top 10 in 2024 and their 2025 pick goes to Flyers instead of their 2024 pick or it's top 10 in 2025 and they keep it) : If flames doesn't draft first overall we get Flames pick in 2025 if the flames draft 1st overall we get the better pick of Florida or Calgary in 2026 (both not protected).

 

[montreal]

I think it's only 1st overall protected if they don't have Florida's pick.. It's top 10 protected only if they have the Florida's pick in this case we get Florida's pick.

So if they don't get the panthers pick then the Flames pick in '25 is top 10 protected in the sense of the conditions. So it's an either or situation, as in the conditions change based off it being a top 10 pick or not.

If the Flames pick is top 10 then .....
If the Flames pick is Not top 10 then ....

 

[LesCanadiens]

think of it this way, there's a condition, so either that is met or it's not. So if the Flames pick is 20th OA or higher then the condition is met and then we can chose if we want to take the pick or not. If their pick is 19th OA or lower then the condition is not met so nothing is done and it just moves to '25 draft.

Really the easy way to look at it is the key for now is where do the panthers end up picking this summer and go from there.

That makes things clear now, thanks. What happens if Panthers are top-10 in '25 and Cgy wins the lottery for 1OA? Do we get the Panthers top-10 pick?

 

[CHfan1]

That makes things clear now, thanks. What happens if Panthers are top-10 in '25 and Cgy wins the lottery for 1OA? Do we get the Panthers top-10 pick?

No, Florida keeps their pick in that scenario. The Habs would then get the better of Calgary or Florida’s 2026 1st round picks.

 

[LesCanadiens]

No, Florida keeps their pick in that scenario. The Habs would then get the better of Calgary or Florida’s 2026 1st round picks.

Gotcha. Lots of potential for a high pick then. Either way, getting this pick and the other pick, PLUS Heineman is a helluva return for Toffoli.

 

[Gustave]

I can't help but think about Quantum Mechanics when it comes to this thing lol

Right now the pick is in SuperPosition lol

(Yes yes, the cat is both alive and dead at the same time too lol)

Leave that subject matter alone man!

 

[WeThreeKings]

 

[Riggins]

It seems likely Calgary is a bottom 10 team next year, which is only good for us if Florida also finishes bottom 10 either this year or next. It could be another Panthers pick watch in 2024/25.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It seems likely Calgary is a bottom 10 team next year, which is only good for us if Florida also finishes bottom 10 either this year or next. It could be another Panthers pick watch in 2024/25.

I mean, it'd still be good if we got Calgarys 2026.. they will be bad for awhile.

 

[montreal]

It seems likely Calgary is a bottom 10 team next year, which is only good for us if Florida also finishes bottom 10 either this year or next. It could be another Panthers pick watch in 2024/25.

my bet would be we never see the Flames pick, its looking more likely that we would get the panthers pick in '25 as I don't see them being a bottom 10 team this year.

The one thing I'm not sure of is can the panthers trade their 1st round pick if they don't end up with a top 10 pick this summer, So that would mean that their '24 1st would go to the flyers leaving their '25 1st open to go to the Flames. But if there were to happen, can the panthers trade their '25 1st round pick as the conditions for our trade with them do say if the pick gets traded but since it's locked to a condition I wasn't aware they could trade it.

 

[HuGort]

Florida could slide next season. Bennett is UFA and they hard up against the cap. Plus they have a lot of UFA defensemen.

 

[GrandBison]

Would you trade that "pick" for CGY pick this year if it's 12-16 range?

 

[montreal]

Would you trade that "pick" for CGY pick this year if it's 12-16 range?

I would unless it looks like the panthers will have a top 10 pick this year. The Flames put protection on their pick so unless the panthers suck too, we are more likely to end up with the panthers pick unless they get a top 10 pick this year as that opens a major can of worms for the trade.

So it all comes down to what do you think as GM, happens to the panthers this year and next. I don't believe they will get a top 10 pick this year so that means we look to '25.

 

[RealityHurts]

Not sure if a thread already exists for this, but I was wondering if someone could summarize in simple terms, as of today, what we are looking at.

They owe habs a 1st round pick, what will it be ?

 

[Skip Bayless]

I've read the conditions about three times and I quit trying to understand.

To me whatever happens happens, it is what it is dawg.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It will likely be Panther's (hereafter known as Prancers) pick since the bastards keep playing over their heads this year. Hopefully next year is the year they fade.