HF Habs: Flames or Panthers 1st Round Pick 2025

[Keylock11]

Can MTL decide to take the #20 pick during the draft ?
Let's say the player at #20 is really someone they want could they choose then ?

Also seems like Calgary finish top 10 in 2025 and Florida #25 + , mind as well take Calgary's first in 2024 ?
Again it's a bargain but wth.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Can MTL decide to take the #20 pick during the draft ?
Let's say the player at #20 is really someone they want could they choose then ?

Also seems like Calgary finish top 10 in 2025 and Florida #25 + , mind as well take Calgary's first in 2024 ?
Again it's a bargain but wth.

The decision has to be made before the draft but there is none in 2024. Calgary is not finishing top 10. They lost to the AHL Black Hawks.

 

[pth2]

Can MTL decide to take the #20 pick during the draft ?
Let's say the player at #20 is really someone they want could they choose then ?

Also seems like Calgary finish top 10 in 2025 and Florida #25 + , mind as well take Calgary's first in 2024 ?
Again it's a bargain but wth.

Technically, no. The decision has to be made a fair bit before the draft.

In practice, on the draft floor, if Calgary doesn't have anyone they love on the board, they might decide to accept to trade their current, 2024 pick, for the conditional 2025 one, since 20th isn't much better than the roughly #25 they have to expect to lose, and it would give them downside protection (ie, protect them from a Florida collapse in 2025, which could give Montreal a good pick)

 

[montreal]

Can MTL decide to take the #20 pick during the draft ?
Let's say the player at #20 is really someone they want could they choose then ?

Also seems like Calgary finish top 10 in 2025 and Florida #25 + , mind as well take Calgary's first in 2024 ?
Again it's a bargain but wth.

they won't have the option to take the Flames pick this summer because it's top 19 protected and the Flames would need one hell of a turnaround to end up with the 20th OA pick or higher since they are currently sitting at 7th OA by win %.

 

[The Great Weal]

For once can we just get lucky and have the Flames 1st be close to top 10 in any draft year? I still cry myself to sleep with the Panthers miraculous turnaround and absurd run to the SCF when we were looking at 2 top 10 picks.

 

[Walksss]

The Flames will be looking at a bottom 10 finish next year in all likelyhood. In order to get the Flames pick we will need the Panthers to also be bottom 10, which is unlikely. However the Panthers are gonna be in tough against the salary cap with so many upcoming UFAs and they're not exactly loaded with prospects ready to step in.

Sam Reinhart is in for a massive raise, he could be north of $10 million AAV if he keeps this crazy pace up. Then their entire D core is UFA outside of Ekblad and they'll all be getting substantial raises. Montour, Forsling, Ekman-Larsson, and Kulikov will all get paid higher than where they are now. That team will likely be substantially worse than they are this year with that many UFAs due and everyone due a nice pay bump.

I'm not saying its a sure thing, not even close, but I am saying I'm a veteran of rooting for Panthers losses, and so are many of you. So let's do this.

 

[LesCanadiens]

The Flames will be looking at a bottom 10 finish next year in all likelyhood. In order to get the Flames pick we will need the Panthers to also be bottom 10, which is unlikely. However the Panthers are gonna be in tough against the salary cap with so many upcoming UFAs and they're not exactly loaded with prospects ready to step in.

Sam Reinhart is in for a massive raise, he could be north of $10 million AAV if he keeps this crazy pace up. Then their entire D core is UFA outside of Ekblad and they'll all be getting substantial raises. Montour, Forsling, Ekman-Larsson, and Kulikov will all get paid higher than where they are now. That team will likely be substantially worse than they are this year with that many UFAs due and everyone due a nice pay bump.

I'm not saying its a sure thing, not even close, but I am saying I'm a veteran of rooting for Panthers losses, and so are many of you. So let's do this.

Just think we acquired Monahan and an actual real chance at a lottery pick in exchange for basically nothing (futures). It's mind-boggling. Can you imagine proposing this trade on any social media outlet prior to it happening? You'd get flamed non-stop. Mocked. Laughed at. Ridiculed...but it actually happened.

 

[Sorinth]

The Flames will be looking at a bottom 10 finish next year in all likelyhood. In order to get the Flames pick we will need the Panthers to also be bottom 10, which is unlikely. However the Panthers are gonna be in tough against the salary cap with so many upcoming UFAs and they're not exactly loaded with prospects ready to step in.

Sam Reinhart is in for a massive raise, he could be north of $10 million AAV if he keeps this crazy pace up. Then their entire D core is UFA outside of Ekblad and they'll all be getting substantial raises. Montour, Forsling, Ekman-Larsson, and Kulikov will all get paid higher than where they are now. That team will likely be substantially worse than they are this year with that many UFAs due and everyone due a nice pay bump.

I'm not saying its a sure thing, not even close, but I am saying I'm a veteran of rooting for Panthers losses, and so are many of you. So let's do this.

The main thing is you never know how Bobrovsky will play. It's a coin toss whether he'll play well or not.

 

[HuGort]

The Flames will be looking at a bottom 10 finish next year in all likelyhood. In order to get the Flames pick we will need the Panthers to also be bottom 10, which is unlikely. However the Panthers are gonna be in tough against the salary cap with so many upcoming UFAs and they're not exactly loaded with prospects ready to step in.

Sam Reinhart is in for a massive raise, he could be north of $10 million AAV if he keeps this crazy pace up. Then their entire D core is UFA outside of Ekblad and they'll all be getting substantial raises. Montour, Forsling, Ekman-Larsson, and Kulikov will all get paid higher than where they are now. That team will likely be substantially worse than they are this year with that many UFAs due and everyone due a nice pay bump.

I'm not saying its a sure thing, not even close, but I am saying I'm a veteran of rooting for Panthers losses, and so are many of you. So let's do this.

I would throw overpayment offer at Reinhart next summer. Knowing he won't sign here but his agent will use it and make it harder on Cats. Drive his price up.

If he does accept we got Reinhart for nil so it makes up for big caphit.

 

[Garnet76]

Sam Reinhart has a ridiculous shooting percentage this year. I would be worried he becomes a 60pt player in Montreal at 10M+

 

[waitin425]

First step is to understand the conditions of the Florida pick to Calgary:

If this year Florida's pick is top 10, then the 2025 Florida 1st goes to Philly and 2026 Florida first to Calgary. This is unlikely, so:

Lets assume the 2025 Florida 1st goes to Calgary (also lottery protected)

Now its up to the Habs to decide:

1) If Calgary's own pick is 20-32, Habs can opt to take it. This is very unlikely and even if it happens, the Habs would be dumb to take it, so forget this one too

2) Assuming Calgary gets Florida's first in 2025 and assuming the habs do not opt for the 2024 pick (20-32) then Montreal gets the better pick between Florida and Calgary 2025 first, unless Calgary's is top 10, in which case they get Florida's.

Above point no.2 is the most likely at the moment, that is Habs get the better of Calgary and Florida's 2025 unless Calgary's is top 10 then Florida. However:

Worst Case scenerio for the Flames:

Florida misses the postseason in 2024, Calgary gets Florida's 2026 pick, Montreal gets Calgary's 2025 pick unless it is 1st overall.

Florida misses the postseason in 2025, Montreal gets the better of Florida or Calgary, guaranteeing a lottery pick.

If it's pick 20+, I don't know when they have to make the call. If there a player high on their list or a trading possibility, they maybe take the 2024 one.

Someone previously said we have to declare pre-draft. Doubt it's pick 20+ at this point though.

 

[FerrisRox]

I would throw overpayment offer at Reinhart next summer. Knowing he won't sign here but his agent will use it and make it harder on Cats. Drive his price up.

If he does accept we got Reinhart for nil so it makes up for big caphit.

With his shooting percentage, Sam Reinhart will be the biggest piece of fools gold out there.

I absolutely *do not* want the Canadiens engaging with his agent in any way. Terrible idea.

 

[Sherwoo9]

I would throw overpayment offer at Reinhart next summer. Knowing he won't sign here but his agent will use it and make it harder on Cats. Drive his price up.

If he does accept we got Reinhart for nil so it makes up for big caphit.

I’d be really afraid of throwing big term at Reinhart. Not necessarily comparing the players but maybe the origins of their success and I don’t want to live the Huberdeau scenario.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'd prefer we continue to grow organically. If it's for a young prospect/player like say... Dach? Great. But I keep hearing things on the board like PLD or Nylander or whoever's available... I really hope we don't do something like that right now.

If/when we become actual contenders then sure. But right now we have so many young pieces developing I'd rather we just see that through. Half of our future blueline isn't even in the league yet.

 

[HomaridII]

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Someone previously said we have to declare pre-draft. Doubt it's pick 20+ at this point though.

48 hrs before the start of the draft.

 

[Fuonki]

Sam Reinhart has a ridiculous shooting percentage this year. I would be worried he becomes a 60pt player in Montreal at 10M+

Even if his offense would totally collapse he is still one of the best defensive forwards in the league at the moment. But just like with the Dubois talks last season, Reinhart is not the one piece that would turn this team into a contender so there's no point even entertaining any discussion about acquiring him in my mind.

 

[Saundies]

I'd prefer we continue to grow organically. If it's for a young prospect/player like say... Dach? Great. But I keep hearing things on the board like PLD or Nylander or whoever's available... I really hope we don't do something like that right now.

If/when we become actual contenders then sure. But right now we have so many young pieces developing I'd rather we just see that through. Half of our future blueline isn't even in the league yet.

I don't get the logic of "don't improve the team until the team improves." If we signed Nylander, he'd be our best offensive forward by far. I can kind of agree with like a PLD/Reinhart/another tertiary guy you're talking about, but I don't think signing a bonafide star would hurt anything. It's not like they're going to take ice time from any of our other forward prospects.

 

[HuGort]

I’d be really afraid of throwing big term at Reinhart. Not necessarily comparing the players but maybe the origins of their success and I don’t want to live the Huberdeau scenario.

I'm quite sure Reinhart won't sign here. I wanted to drive Florida price up. They have whole Blueline to sign and are against the cap. We own their first pick next year

 

[LaP]

I don't get the logic of "don't improve the team until the team improves." If we signed Nylander, he'd be our best offensive forward by far. I can kind of agree with like a PLD/Reinhart/another tertiary guy you're talking about, but I don't think signing a bonafide star would hurt anything. It's not like they're going to take ice time from any of our other forward prospects.

That's not the logic. The logic is don't become a team with no cap space until you know what you need. Don't do a Laffs of yourself.

I'm quite sure Reinhart won't sign here. I wanted to drive Florida price up. They have whole Blueline to sign and are against the cap. We own their first pick next year

Why is everyone so sure Calgary will draft top 10 in 2025? I'd say there's more chances for Calgary to draft 11th or 12th in 2025 than Florida to implode with Barkov and Tkachuk just because they lost Reinhart. They still have Barkov, Tkachuk, Verhaeghe, Bennett, Lundell, Luostarinen and Rodrigues. And with the money they wont spend on Reinhart they should be able to keep their defense more or less intact.

 

[morhilane]

Why is everyone so sure Calgary will draft top 10 in 2025?

The rumor is that Lindholm, Hanafin (and maybe Tanev?) don't want to re-sign and will be traded at the deadline.

 

[LaP]

The rumor is that Lindholm, Hanafin (and maybe Tanev?) don't want to re-sign and will be traded at the deadline.

I don't see Calgary rebuilding right after signing Huberdeau and Kadri. It's a Canadian team they'll spend to the cap signing a bunch of useless vets and will likely finish just outside the top 10. IMO it's the more likely scenario for this pick it'll be between 11th and 15th.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'd be fine with a late 1st round pick.

This player will come in late in our window and that's fine.

If a great goalie is available, I'd aim for that.

 

[FerrisRox]

But just like with the Dubois talks last season, Reinhart is not the one piece that would turn this team into a contender

The Dubois trade *did* create a contender, though. The contender, however, is the team who traded him away.

 

[morhilane]

I don't see Calgary rebuilding right after signing Huberdeau and Kadri. It's a Canadian team they'll spend to the cap signing a bunch of useless vets and will likely finish just outside the top 10. IMO it's the more likely scenario for this pick it'll be between 11th and 15th.

Calgary haven't been going better than the Habs this season, how is signing useless vets to replace 3 of their core going to make them better next season?

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I don't see Calgary rebuilding right after signing Huberdeau and Kadri. It's a Canadian team they'll spend to the cap signing a bunch of useless vets and will likely finish just outside the top 10. IMO it's the more likely scenario for this pick it'll be between 11th and 15th.

I don't think it will take much time for those guys to want out!