Confirmed Signing with Link: [FLA] Panthers re-sign Reilly Smith (5 years, $5M AAV)

[GrumpyKelly]

wow that is just awful

I'm sure he wouldn't even get a roster spot in Montreal with the high quality offense that they have :/

 

[rhinoshawarma]

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

Would people rather have Eberle type guy (who I kinda like) one dimensional player for 6 mil long term or Smith for 5 mil per ? I watch Eberle 20-30 games a year and Smith 82 plus games a year. If you do the same or vice versa to my numbers please post below. Very fair comparison.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Very interesting to see all the oilers fans talking about how bad this is for our team. Well they would know. Thanks guys we really look forward to one day being as good as you guys in the standings.

 

[OutForMilk]

I don't get why people think Florida has done such a great job this offseason. I thought the same, with Ekblad, Yandle, and Demers. But both the Trochek and Smith contracts are as ridiculous and risky as they were unnecessary. Florida is a cap team now, and didn't need to be.

 

[Curufinwe]

What should they have done? Trade their young 50 point forwards for picks and rebuild?

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

So little H2H here ;

Eberle 6 mil a year deal signed in 2013/14. His 2nd/3rd? full year in league I think he got that contract. Born 1990 1st rounder.

43, 76, 37, 65,63,47 PTs.
Median : 55 PTs. - bit higher to any shortened year(s). But I don't see him more than 60-63 PTs type guy moving forward.

One dimensional player. Can get real hot though for goals. Can play 1st or 2nd lines.


Smith 5 mil a year deal signed today. Born 1991. 3rd round draft pick.

9(half year), 51,40,50 PTs.

Median : 47 PTs (not counting rookie year).

Kills penalties, plays pp, sniper, skates like wind,clutch, tough etc. Can play 1st or 2nd line.

Fair comparison I feel. Thoughts?

 

[OutForMilk]

What should they have done? Trade their young 50 point forwards for picks and rebuild?

Its called a bridge contract. Commonly given to young complementary players with a small sample size of good play. Not everyone deserves a long term contract. Trochek especially could have received a bridge deal, allowed the Bolland monstrosity to come off the books, and given management time to see if his one season of good play is repeatable, and he can stand the NHL physical play. Smith less so, as he has more than one season of this type of production.

 

[Everything is fine]

I don't get why people think Florida has done such a great job this offseason. I thought the same, with Ekblad, Yandle, and Demers. But both the Trochek and Smith contracts are as ridiculous and risky as they were unnecessary. Florida is a cap team now, and didn't need to be.

So now 4.75M and 5M contracts are ridiculous?
Alright then

There's no issue with the cap.

 

[La Bamba]

So little H2H here ;

Eberle 6 mil a year deal signed in 2013/14. His 2nd/3rd? full year in league I think he got that contract. Born 1990 1st rounder.

43, 76, 37, 65,63,47 PTs.
Median : 55 PTs. - bit higher to any shortened year(s). But I don't see him more than 60-63 PTs type guy moving forward.

One dimensional player. Can get real hot though for goals. Can play 1st or 2nd lines.


Smith 5 mil a year deal signed today. Born 1991. 3rd round draft pick.

9(half year), 51,40,50 PTs.

Median : 47 PTs (not counting rookie year).

Kills penalties, plays pp, sniper, skates like wind,clutch, tough etc. Can play 1st or 2nd line.

Fair comparison I feel. Thoughts?

Eberle is a much superior talent to Smith.

Look at the way you compare both guys. You're just trying to convince yourself that it's a good contract. I think you're grasping at straws here, no offence.

 

[I am not exposed]

Happy he got locked up

 

[OutForMilk]

So now 4.75M and 5M contracts are ridiculous?
Alright then

There's no issue with the cap.

No, 53.5 million for two complementary players, one of whom wasn't a UFA for several years and has had a grand total of one good season, playing against easier opposition And the other who's high is 51 points, is what I see as ridiculous. Like I said, its unnecessary, with regards to both players. You don't see a fair amount of risk in these deals?

 

[Phasenet]

Jagr is not getting any younger. They are paying Reilly Smith to be a first line winger? Did they never watch him in Boston? Good player but not even close to a core one.

 

[Everything is fine]

No, 53.5 million for two complementary players, one of whom wasn't a UFA for several years and has had a grand total of one good season, playing against easier opposition And the other who's high is 51 points, is what I see as ridiculous. Like I said, its unnecessary, with regards to both players. You don't see a fair amount of risk in these deals?

I don't have a problem with these, I actually love that the core is close to being locked up longterm, only Huberdeau missing.

Just look at the UFA market and the forward contracts that were given, no contest I'd rather have these.
Smith will be 30y when his contract runs out and Trocheck 27y, buying their best years and gives the team long contending window.

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

I don't have a problem with these, I actually love that the core is close to being locked up longterm, only Huberdeau missing.

Just look at the UFA market and the forward contracts that were given, no contest I'd rather have these.
Smith will be 30y when his contract runs out and Trocheck 27y, buying their best years and gives the team long contending window.

Exactly.

And the money Kuli likely gets next off season will be crazy. And he was not even deemed as core 6-8 guy for us. Some of these contracts like Ladd and Lucic, good luck in 2-4 years time

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

Jagr is not getting any younger. They are paying Reilly Smith to be a first line winger? Did they never watch him in Boston? Good player but not even close to a core one.

Watched him in Florida for 82 plus playoffs that's enough for me

 

[Everything is fine]

Jagr is not getting any younger. They are paying Reilly Smith to be a first line winger? Did they never watch him in Boston? Good player but not even close to a core one.

This contract won't start for another year and it's 5M per year, they are paying him like he's a top6 player which he is.

Exactly.

And the money Kuli likely gets next off season will be crazy. And he was not even deemed as core 6-8 guy for us. Some of these contracts like Ladd and Lucic, good luck in 2-4 years time

It's amazing how these are seen as riduculous after witnessing some impressive UFA signings just few days ago.

 

[Rebels57]

Has he really done enough to warrant a 5v5 deal? This seems like a deal he would get if he was an UFA, not RFA.

I've loved all of Florida's moves this season, but this one is pretty questionable IMO.

Agreed. This deal seems a bit over the top. $5 million seems more appropriate for a 60 point player IMO.

 

[BB88]

Agreed. This deal seems a bit over the top. $5 million seems more appropriate for a 60 point player IMO.

What 60 point player(in his prime) are you planning on signing for 5M?

Okposo/Eriksson/Lucic all went for 6M.
Marchand scored 61 points last year and noway do I believe you can sign him for anything close to 5M.

 

[FrolikFan67]

well people are assuming that trocheck and smith are what? 3rd line guys that probably won't break 20g's consistently?

theyre legit, strong top-6 players. both are very dynamic in their play. sometimes guys do better with another team, if smith had his issues in boston then he definitely didnt have them here because he was incredible for us all around. he played 2.5 seasons with boston, he did hit 50pt in one of those seasons, i think he's in a great situation here. he and trocheck mesh perfectly (he meshes perfectly with everyone). 5per for someone who just finished his 3.5th season, young, developing, 25, entering his prime and hitting his stride, a legit top-6 winger who can put up 25-25-50 while doing tons of other things, 5per isnt that bad. if it is its by 0.5, its not a big freaking deal

frans nielsen just got over 5per (though i do like him as a player) and ladd got 6per at his age for 7yrs, even lucic got 6per for 7yrs coming off a 20g-35a-55pt and before that 18-26-44. why is 5per for a 25yr old 25-25-50 player so out there? "his sample size is too small", we saw what he's capable of and can and will do, we're confident in what we have in him, same goes with trocheck. theyre both legit and to have them at their age locked up for the next 6yrs each at 5per or less is great and I'm glad they got them done.

 

[OutForMilk]

well people are assuming that trocheck and smith are what? 3rd line guys that probably won't break 20g's consistently?

theyre legit, strong top-6 players. both are very dynamic in their play. sometimes guys do better with another team, if smith had his issues in boston then he definitely didnt have them here because he was incredible for us all around. he played 2.5 seasons with boston, he did hit 50pt in one of those seasons, i think he's in a great situation here. he and trocheck mesh perfectly (he meshes perfectly with everyone). 5per for someone who just finished his 3.5th season, young, developing, 25, entering his prime and hitting his stride, a legit top-6 winger who can put up 25-25-50 while doing tons of other things, 5per isnt that bad. if it is its by 0.5, its not a big freaking deal

frans nielsen just got over 5per (though i do like him as a player) and ladd got 6per at his age for 7yrs, even lucic got 6per for 7yrs coming off a 20g-35a-55pt and before that 18-26-44. why is 5per for a 25yr old 25-25-50 player so out there? "his sample size is too small", we saw what he's capable of and can and will do, we're confident in what we have in him, same goes with trocheck. theyre both legit and to have them at their age locked up for the next 6yrs each at 5per or less is great and I'm glad they got them done.

Those players got those contracts because they have had several years of established play, then cashed in because many teams had to vie against each other in order to get them. So who exactly was it that Florida was bidding against to get these guys? The cookie monster?

 

[FrolikFan67]

Agreed. This deal seems a bit over the top. $5 million seems more appropriate for a 60 point player IMO.

lets take a look at the players this year who scored 60-69pts:

bergeron
giroux
letang
jagr*
kucherov
hall
forsberg
pacioretty*
stamkos
getzlaf
monahan (rfa)
okposo
krejci
eriksson
spezza
perry
carter
stone*
scheifele*
josi*
sedin
zuc*
marchand*
johansen (rfa)
ror
simmonds*
jussi*

out of those guys how many, if they were ready for a new contract, would get 5per or less (besides for jagr of course and id say jussi)? the * is next to the guys currently making 5per or less, most of which are on old contracts. out of 27 players 2 are rfa's who will definitely get over 5per, and 9 who outside of jagr and jokinen would definitely making over 5per on a new contract/longterm.

 

[SPV]

I liked Smith in black & gold. Thought it was nice to see him doing well last year even though it meant we obviously lost that trade. Win some, lose some though.

I think this might be a little too much, too early. But if he plays like he did last year, then it's a great move.

 

[Major Happy*]

Too much money, too soon.

 

[BB88]

Those players got those contracts because they have had several years of established play, then cashed in because many teams had to vie against each other in order to get them. So who exactly was it that Florida was bidding against to get these guys? The cookie monster?

I guess in a way you can say playoffs.

If they go for long playoff run next year with these guys unsigned their value will go up, and that team definitely is build for long playoff runs.