Confirmed Signing with Link: [FLA] Panthers re-sign Reilly Smith (5 years, $5M AAV)

[The Madrigal]

This part is key. Massive difference in how these should look. The fact that people are having to use only UFA contracts as a comparable isn't a good thing.

Exactly, but according to our buddy Smith is better defensively and so much younger than Boedker (25 versus 27) so despite the UFA versus RFA status and Boedker being more productive offensively, Smith should be getting more term and 1 million more in AAV, SMH.

 

[vendetta]

Funny how you ignored the post of mine calling you out for getting your facts incorrect while you were trying to be all big daddy cool.

The fact is Boedker is a more productive offensive player and has had garbage around him in Arizona for most of those last three seasons. Even if you give Smith the edge as a two-way forward, the difference between a contract a guy receives on the open market as a UFA versus one that a guy gets from his own team as a RFA is significant.

Any way you look at it, Smith should be not be getting 1 million more per year and an additional year of term over Boedker at all, let alone as a RFA versus Boedker on the open market.

Agree to dosagree.. I don't value one dimensional wingers as much as u.. I prefer if they can provide other ways to help win a game when they aren't scoring...

 

[The Madrigal]

Agree to dosagree.. I don't value one dimensional wingers as much as u.. I prefer if they can provide other ways to help win a game when they aren't scoring...

 

[vendetta]

Exactly, but according to our buddy Smith is better defensively and so much younger than Boedker (25 versus 27) so despite the UFA versus RFA status and Boedker being more productive offensively, Smith should be getting more term and 1 million more in AAV, SMH.

Most of these years are ufa... it's not like he's fresh off entry level with 4 years of rfa left... mix in a decent pp hopefully this year and I see no reason he doesn't hit 60 points some of these years during this contract... then it's a steal

 

[The Madrigal]

Reilly Smith got almost as much with this deal in terms of AAV and term as Filip Forsberg got. Anyone who doesn't think Florida overpaid is fooling themselves. Smith is a nice complimentary player and Florida did a great job getting him for Jimmy Hayes, but an over payment is an over payment.

 

[OutForMilk]

So what's a core player then? Only 1c and 1d? 2 core players only?

I suppose you could look up at the list that Frolikfan was kind enough to provide as a start. Elite players. Look what Chicago has done in the last 6 years. Over and over again, dumping complementary but good players, and still had success. Although, if they hadn't overpaid them in the first place, they wouldn't have had to do that. Isn't that the worry here with these deals? Find any takers for Bolland's contract lately?

 

[The Madrigal]

Most of these years are ufa... it's not like he's fresh off entry level with 4 years of rfa left... mix in a decent pp hopefully this year and I see no reason he doesn't hit 60 points some of these years during this contract... then it's a steal

You are completely missing the point about the RFA versus UFA thing based on your retort. Not to mention that Smith was still under RFA status for the next TWO years.

Based on the fact that you think it's some sort of automatic that Smith is going to be become a regular 60 point player it's pretty obvious you are not looking at this from any type of realistic point of view.

 

[vendetta]

I suppose you could look up at the list that Frolikfan was kind enough to provide as a start. Elite players. Look what Chicago has done in the last 6 years. Over and over again, dumping complementary but good players, and still had success. Although, if they hadn't overpaid them in the first place, they wouldn't have had to do that. Isn't that the worry here with these deals? Find any takers for Bolland's contract lately?

Well considering noone is makong over 6 mil as a forward I'm not concerned in the slightes.. bolland will be on ltir and irrelevant for the most part... we aren't close to being in a cap crunch anyway if that's what your worrying about... and our window will be open for the next 6 or so years

 

[vendetta]

You are completely missing the point about the RFA versus UFA thing based on your retort. Not to mention that Smith was still under RFA status for the next TWO years.

Based on the fact that you think it's some sort of automatic that Smith is going to be become a regular 60 point player it's pretty obvious you are not looking at this from any type of realistic point of view.

I said he coukd hit 60 a couple times and if he does it would make this contract a steal not just fair... and i am aware of rfa vs ufa.. the one co tract I'm not happy about is ekblads since he hasnt shown he can earn it... smith has shown he is worth 5 mil and no reason to think he will regress from that during length of this deal

 

[OutForMilk]

Well considering noone is makong over 6 mil as a forward I'm not concerned in the slightes.. bolland will be on ltir and irrelevant for the most part... we aren't close to being in a cap crunch anyway if that's what your worrying about... and our window will be open for the next 6 or so years

You sure about that? You are 3.7 million below the cap not counting ELC bonus's, with Ekblad's contract about to go up by a significant margin, Huberdeau to resign(He's getting a big raise), and Pysyk and Petrovik to resign. The only contract worth anything coming off the books is Jagr, too.

 

[The Madrigal]

A. It would not make the contract a steal if Smith hit 60 points once or twice during his contract. He would have to hit 55-65 points consistently ever year for it to even be a good contract, let alone a steal.

B. If you look at comparable players and contracts it has actually been shown that Smith being a guy who has averaged 19 goals and 46 points over the last 3 years is not worth the contract he got.

C. Seriously, the guy barely got less than Filip Forsberg and if you think Smith is even remotely comparable to Forsberg you are delusional.

 

[vendetta]

You sure about that? You are 3.7 million below the cap not counting ELC bonus's, with Ekblad's contract about to go up by a significant margin, Huberdeau to resign(He's getting a big raise), and Pysyk and Petrovik to resign. The only contract worth anything coming off the books is Jagr, too.

U know these contracts don't kick in til after next season right? That's also 3.7 without bollands 5.5 coming off the books if we need the ltir relief... that's also a 25 man roster with3 goalies so... I woukd say they r fine for now and especially going into the future where it is unlikely the cap goes down

 

[flapanthersfan]

C. Seriously, the guy barely got less than Filip Forsberg and if you think Smith is even remotely comparable to Forsberg you are delusional.

Forsberg got $6 mil per year.

acting like $1mil per year isnt a significant difference is pretty stupid and completely invalidates the comparison.

i'd like to have gotten Smith cheaper than $5mil, but it's not absurdly overprices. I'd have slotted him at about $4.5 $4-75.

Trocheck is underpaid. you win some, you lose some. Let's see what Huberdeau gets.

 

[ytsur*]

Funny how you ignored the post of mine calling you out for getting your facts incorrect while you were trying to be all big daddy cool. Also LMAO at "Reilly Smith is just entering his prime" (in relation to Mikkel Boedker who is a whopping 2 years older). Smith might be entering his prime at 25 but so is Boedker at 27.

The fact is Boedker is a more productive offensive player and has had garbage around him in Arizona for most of those last three seasons. Even if you give Smith the edge as a two-way forward, the difference between a contract a guy receives on the open market as a UFA versus one that a guy gets from his own team as a RFA is significant.

Any way you look at it, Smith should be not be getting 1 million more per year and an additional year of term over Boedker at all, let alone as a RFA versus Boedker on the open market.

Uhhh, concerning the bolded, are you ****ing with us?

 

[hi]

Exactly, but according to our buddy Smith is better defensively and so much younger than Boedker (25 versus 27) so despite the UFA versus RFA status and Boedker being more productive offensively, Smith should be getting more term and 1 million more in AAV, SMH.

Which of the following players would you say is more productive offensively?

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[pb1300]

Funny how you ignored the post of mine calling you out for getting your facts incorrect while you were trying to be all big daddy cool. Also LMAO at "Reilly Smith is just entering his prime" (in relation to Mikkel Boedker who is a whopping 2 years older). Smith might be entering his prime at 25 but so is Boedker at 27.

The fact is Boedker is a more productive offensive player and has had garbage around him in Arizona for most of those last three seasons. Even if you give Smith the edge as a two-way forward, the difference between a contract a guy receives on the open market as a UFA versus one that a guy gets from his own team as a RFA is significant.

Any way you look at it, Smith should be not be getting 1 million more per year and an additional year of term over Boedker at all, let alone as a RFA versus Boedker on the open market.

Boedker is more productive than Smith? WOW...that's news to me lol For what Smith brings to the table, he absolutely is worth more than Boedker.

 

[FrolikFan67]

boedker is not as good as smith. pretty evenly points wise, but smith scores more and supplies a lot more all around in his game. id take smith any day over boedker, and thats nothing against boedker. even at a mil more.

so for a 25g-25a-50pt 25 year old rw who has great speed/agility, great hands, responsible defensively, plays the pk and pp, scores, passes, very dynamic when he's on the ice...what is someone like that worth. disregard a bridge contract, i mean if you had to sign him to a 5yr extension right now like we just did, what would he get? give or take 4.5 I'm sure. since when 0.5 considered such a crazy overpayment, if anything i was hoping for 4.5-4.75, like trocheck (who definitely deserves that contract), so at most 0.25-0.50 over....ok.

theyre core players too. especially having a very talented young 2nd line center in trocheck. trocheck and smith aren't the same as ekblad and barkov obviously, but theyre very important. our top line center is making just 5.9mil and our legit 2nd line center is making under 5 which is fantastic. i don't see the big issue here, we're happy that we locked up our important young players.

for me we have our top d signed longterm, we have our top center locked up, we have our 2nd line center locked up, and one of our important top-4 wingers locked up. I'm more concerned with keep barkov-trocheck down the middle and smith on one of those lines, bjugstad is tradable if necessary, we have mccann who can fill that spot (maybe borgstrom in a few years), and depending on how much huberdeau wants I'm willing to part with him.

 

[Ivan13]

Boedker is not a better player than Smith in any shape way or form. The only reason he got those point totals was because he was fed an insane amount of PP time. If you check his ES scoring you'll see he's anything but a reliable scorer.

 

[dirk41]

Boedker is not a better player than Smith in any shape way or form. The only reason he got those point totals was because he was fed an insane amount of PP time. If you check his ES scoring you'll see he's anything but a reliable scorer.

Agreed.

 

[Curufinwe]

Its called a bridge contract. Commonly given to young complementary players with a small sample size of good play. Not everyone deserves a long term contract. Trochek especially could have received a bridge deal, allowed the Bolland monstrosity to come off the books, and given management time to see if his one season of good play is repeatable, and he can stand the NHL physical play. Smith less so, as he has more than one season of this type of production.

Smith already had two bridge contracts.

If they bridge Trocheck, then two years from now they may have to pay him 6 or 7m a year.

 

[IceManCat]

Major over payment by Florida, especially when you look at what some guys just got on the open market as UFA's. I'll take Boedker all day at 4 million over Smith at 5.

Says the stat watcher. Boedker is your prototype for one dimensional. Smith is a solid two way forward who battles in the corners and wins battles all over the ice, plays chippy too. Boedker got over payed for being a powerplay specialist. I wish people that don't watch hockey and stat watch would stop pretending like they did over the internet. But then again its the internet....

 

[MintyFresh88]

Bridge contract? He's played 285 games in the league...

Obviously I would have liked him closer to $4-4.5 million per year but realistically he's a pretty versatile guy that plays important minutes at ES and on both special teams units, so I don't mind the slight overpayment.

 

[SenzZen]

Man, I'm really starting to think they need to factor state taxes in to the cap structure.

Not knocking Panther fans by any means- it just hardly seems fair at the moment.

They're both premature.

Your post certainly is. Time will tell on the contracts.

Jagr is not getting any younger. They are paying Reilly Smith to be a first line winger? Did they never watch him in Boston? Good player but not even close to a core one.

Why on earth would the Panthers pay him for what he did (or didn't) do in Boston?!

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

didnt you say the same exact thing about demers the other day?

he put up 25-25 on the 2nd line, is more than capable of playing on the top line after jagr if necessary. and playing with barkov and a playmaker like huberdeau, i think its fair to say he'd maintain that 25-25 stat line. either way he's in a perfect spot with trocheck or barkov longterm.

hes a very dynamic player, does a bit of everything and does them well, he's been great. he just turned 25 not long ago and will enter his 5th season. he's entering his prime.

his first season was the shortened year and played in a smaller capacity, then he had a bigger role and broke 50pt, a slight dip the next season but still got 40, and then played tremendous for us and broke 50 again this time scoring 25g. he's a young guy and has been developing, why is it people assume he had a one-off season instead of a young player who has been developing and is hitting his stride and entering his prime? I'm sure the panthers do.

I could say the same thing about at least 10 deals this weekend and I'm sure id be right on at least 6 of my predictions. tried to bite my tongue as I saw these deals being done but at some point I break.

and again I know the arguments... the players get 50%... theres caps on how much you can pay the stars... etc etc

and again I say that the hole in the logic is that these teams are hijacking the taxpayers for artificial propups to the cap every freaking year. whether you see crap like the phoenix situation... or whats happening here in Edmonton to leverage a new arena from the taxpayers... or the situation in Pittsburgh where I guess they were going to leave if they didn't get that casino or whatever... and I think florida demanded a bunch of real estate rezoning or maybe that was tampa?

if its TRUE that these teams really do NEED new arenas to be competitive... and if the players want to be PARTNERS by NEGOTIATING 50% of the revenues a new buinding will generate... than why the hell isn't it the players helping pay for these arenas? I mean theres all sort of crap about how the investment will benefit the city {but what 200 million dollar wouldn't benefit the city???????}

clearly new buildings benefit people that get 50% of the direct revenues generated and yet these players pay ZERO DOLLARS for the buildings.

more and more taxpayer groups are understanding this... and more and more local goverments are understanding the anger of the voters on this issue. so as the goverments say no to the bloodsucking of pro sports teams, than YES there will be a crisis in all the sports leagues. And yes at some point these idiot owners who don't care about our money will have to correct the idiotic cba agreements they have awarded to these players.

people say that owners want to make money... but the truth is that these owners would make more money from almost any other business they might invest in. pro sports isn't about making money. its about EGO

these billionare owners drive cars that cost 500k too much... live in homes that cost 5 mill too much... drink wine that costs 5000 per bottle too much... and its not because they know how to watch the value of their pennies... its all for ego.

owning a sports team is an ego rush. owners get their ego bruised when the union tries to force them to spend the money according to the unions desire. The owners don't care how much they spend... they only care that they get to spend it as they see fit. but a lot of it is OUR MONEY.

riley smith is probably a fine little player. he will probably play the next few years as a bit of an undersized guy who has decent hands and manages to get streaky to put up a 20 goal season. he probably will try to play decent defense.

I say hes obviously an NHL talent and probably would make my list as one of the top 120 wingers in the nhl which makes him a second liner on most teams.

hes not crap... but my god... this contract is just ridiculous

 

[BabyBennettov]

Why on earth would the Panthers pay him for what he did (or didn't) do in Boston?!

That has to be one bad and clueless comment...

Why should teams pay for free-agents then ? Because those guys didn't do anything for their new teams... They should be paying them 1M/year as a "show-me" kind of contract.