Confirmed Signing with Link: [FLA] Panthers re-sign Reilly Smith (5 years, $5M AAV)

[CanadianPantherFan]

Says the stat watcher. Boedker is your prototype for one dimensional. Smith is a solid two way forward who battles in the corners and wins battles all over the ice, plays chippy too. Boedker got over payed for being a powerplay specialist. I wish people that don't watch hockey and stat watch would stop pretending like they did over the internet. But then again its the internet....

Exactly. Boedker's name was floating around last year just before the trade deadline to Florida. I remember before that game in Florida... us Panthers fans watching his game real close, going to break it down during/afterwards.

He did NOTHING. I could not even tell when he was on the ICE.

How many games could you say that about Smith last year ? 1? Maybe 2-3 tops? So if that was Boedker's "one" off night of the year snap him up everyone! The Sharks got themselves a STUD!

I'd need more fingers and toes to count how many times NON Panthers fans were impressed with how Smith played versus their team(s) this past year. And , for them to say he's only going to get better/he's legit/threat all night on the ice/he seems like he's everywhere/always in the right spots.

 

[vendetta]

Exactly, sometimes it's better off just letting people live in their own delusional world. You point out how comparable UFA's have gotten the same or less as Smith with two years of RFA status left and they have an excuse. You bring up how a center with similar production makes less and they have an excuse. You bring up how he almost got the same deal as Filip Forsberg and there is an excuse.

Reilly Smith is a nice player but he is not a 5 million dollar a year player especially with 2 of his 5 years being under cost controlled RFA status. Florida is an up and coming team and has made some really good moves but this is not one of them.

It's not even close to fores berg deal.. it's a whole million less a year.. otherwise u can say he's basically a 4 mill a year contract which is a steal? Your lost son.. so he makes way ,ore than Bozak but is basically the same as foresberg? Lol at least your not making **** up to fit your narrative.. fact: 50 point t players make 5 mill a year and that is basically the going rate.. add in he's a 2 way forward who also kills penalties and produces well 5 on 5 and it's a nice contract considering there is basically no risk even if he doesn't improve and keeps his 50 pts per year Avg and there is no reason to think he will decline

 

[rent free]

i come here thinking that i will see praise for Reilly smith and the Florida gm, but instead i accidentally click on the last page and the first thing i see is smith vs boedker

 

[vendetta]

i come here thinking that i will see praise for Reilly smith and the Florida gm, but instead i accidentally click on the last page and the first thing i see is smith vs boedker

Yup the Madrigal says Boedker is the better value contract and Smith is way overpaid almost getting Forsberg money

 

[Edgelord]

Yup the Madrigal says Boedker is the better value contract and Smith is way overpaid almost getting Forsberg money

Is the contract still being finalized? what happened printer ran out of ink they send Jagr and he came back with a quill and bottle?

 

[The Madrigal]

Since you're cherry-picking a three-year period, at least do so in which they are the same age. Oh, and how about playoff production? Smith 0.72 ppg vs Boedker 0.45 ppg.

Smith has 3 seasons of at least 40 points. Boedker? One. I'll take the guy who actually plays.

O.53 career ppg for Smith. Boedker? 0.49.

Smith from age 20-25 (his entire career): 0.53 ppg. Boedker, from age 20-25: 0.48.

Facts, homie.

Boedker had 51 points in 2013-2014 and 51 points in 2015-2016. By my count that is TWO seasons of 50+ points, NOT one season of 40+ points.

You lose all credibility in the argument when you not only bring incorrect facts to the table, but then go out of your way to try and insult the other person for that very thing (which in this case, they didn't do in the first place). Yet, I am supposed to take you or your arguments seriously

What was that you were saying about "Facts, homie."

 

[The Madrigal]

It's not even close to fores berg deal.. it's a whole million less a year.. otherwise u can say he's basically a 4 mill a year contract which is a steal? Your lost son.. so he makes way ,ore than Bozak but is basically the same as foresberg? Lol at least your not making **** up to fit your narrative.. fact: 50 point t players make 5 mill a year and that is basically the going rate.. add in he's a 2 way forward who also kills penalties and produces well 5 on 5 and it's a nice contract considering there is basically no risk even if he doesn't improve and keeps his 50 pts per year Avg and there is no reason to think he will decline

At what point are you going to realize I stopped debating with you last night when you couldn't even get your facts straight, saying Boedker has only scored 50+ points once and that Smith is a more productive player than him. Not to mention you showed zero understanding of the concept of differences between a restricted and unrestricted free agent contract and it's place in the argument.

Just like the other dude I embarrassed, my simple advice to you is to check your facts before you run your mouth. Your credibility as well as his is completely shot on this one.

 

[thenextone]

Hey Florida, since you have all this money can you please take the 800k annually from Luongo off our hands? Thanks

 

[The Madrigal]

Last year wasn't a contract year. He still has another year left on an old deal before the 5x5 kicks in. Also, an extra year and an extra million AAV is a pretty big difference when comparing Smith's and Forsberg's contracts. Not sure how they are "basically the same"

Like I said, there are nothing but excuse to justify this contract. If that's what you need to do to convince yourself it's not an overpayment, I guess you have to do what you have to do. I would hardly consider 1 year of term and a difference of 5 million AAV versus 6 million to be a pretty big difference, especially when you consider the difference in Forsberg and Smith as players which isn't even a relevant discussion.

 

[Lehkonen4Calder]

Since you're cherry-picking a three-year period, at least do so in which they are the same age. Oh, and how about playoff production? Smith 0.72 ppg vs Boedker 0.45 ppg.

Smith has 3 seasons of at least 40 points. Boedker? One. I'll take the guy who actually plays.

O.53 career ppg for Smith. Boedker? 0.49.

Smith from age 20-25 (his entire career): 0.53 ppg. Boedker, from age 20-25: 0.48.

Facts, homie.

Lets take the last 4 years then

Reilly Smith :
150 point in 282 games for 0.53 ppg wich translate to 43 point over 82 games

Mikkel Boedker :
156 point in 255 games for 0.61 pgg wich translate to 50 point over 82 games

 

[vendetta]

Boedker had 51 points in 2013-2014 and 51 points in 2015-2016. By my count that is TWO seasons of 50+ points, NOT one season of 40+ points.

You lose all credibility in the argument when you not only bring incorrect facts to the table, but then go out of your way to try and insult the other person for that very thing (which in this case, they didn't do in the first place). Yet, I am supposed to take you or your arguments seriously

What was that you were saying about "Facts, homie."

Smith has played 3 full seasons.. of those 3 he's has 2 50 point ts and a 40 point t low...Boedker has more seasons under his belt..2 50 point ts seasons only and of all the other not even a 40... he has had injury troubles and when he doesnt score he brings nothing to the table... smith can contribute to the team in other ways.. boedker cannot and a majority of this contract is in fact ufa years... your not gonna win this pathetic arguement... smith> Boedker everyday of the week ainec

 

[Drugs Delaney]

At what point are you going to realize I stopped debating with you last night when you couldn't even get your facts straight, saying Boedker has only scored 50+ points once and that Smith is a more productive player than him. Not to mention you showed zero understanding of the concept of differences between a restricted and unrestricted free agent contract and it's place in the argument.

Just like the other dude I embarrassed, my simple advice to you is to check your facts before you run your mouth. Your credibility as well as his is completely shot on this one.

Word?

 

[vendetta]

At what point are you going to realize I stopped debating with you last night when you couldn't even get your facts straight, saying Boedker has only scored 50+ points once and that Smith is a more productive player than him. Not to mention you showed zero understanding of the concept of differences between a restricted and unrestricted free agent contract and it's place in the argument.

Just like the other dude I embarrassed, my simple advice to you is to check your facts before you run your mouth. Your credibility as well as his is completely shot on this one.

Your arguments r a joke and u have embarrassed noone... he is older and hasn't even scored 20 goals.. u wanna argue production? 4 mil for a one dimensional player who doesn't pk and can't even hit 20 goals...wow what a steal... take it to a poll or something

 

[The Madrigal]

Lets take the last 4 years then

Reilly Smith :
150 point in 282 games for 0.53 ppg wich translate to 43 point over 82 games

Mikkel Boedker :
156 point in 255 games for 0.61 pgg wich translate to 50 point over 82 games

Well done

 

[vendetta]

Well done

20 goal seasons
Smith-2
Boedker-0

Is that well done too?

 

[panthersfan94]

Like I said, there are nothing but excuse to justify this contract. If that's what you need to do to convince yourself it's not an overpayment, I guess you have to do what you have to do. I would hardly consider 1 year of term and a difference of 5 million AAV versus 6 million to be a pretty big difference, especially when you consider the difference in Forsberg and Smith as players which isn't even a relevant discussion.

I don't need to make excuses, I'm happy with the deal. As someone said above, 10 points per million is about the going rate for players nowadays and that's not even mentioning the fact that he's great on both special teams units and solid in the defensive zone. And considering that this deal buys out 4 UFA years, Panthers fans are happy to have him locked up. Sure there are a few who think that the deal should have been closer to 4.5 AAV, but 500,000 each year isn't a massive overpayment like some in this thread seem to think

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Reilly Smith got almost as much with this deal in terms of AAV and term as Filip Forsberg got. Anyone who doesn't think Florida overpaid is fooling themselves. Smith is a nice complimentary player and Florida did a great job getting him for Jimmy Hayes, but an over payment is an over payment.

He got overpaid. We get it. You guys overpaid Martin (UFA) and Andersen (RFA). We also overpaid Bolland but yet you guys did that lovely Clarkson deal. It happens. Most Panthers fans are more than thrilled with the deal. 10pts/$1 million per is about average and YES we're taking a risk on potential.

Did you ponder him possibly moving to the 1st line next year when Jagr is gone? His ice time will go up and his linemates will be that much better.

I mean this dude is a winger and making more than Bozak as a UFA who plays C and on the PP and PK. People claim Bozak is overpaid but both are 50 point guys and one plays C.

Bozak signed his contract 2 years ago. The cap has gone up $7million (10% of the current cap) from the time Bozak signed compared to Smith. Inflation and our weak RW depth were probably factors in him getting $500k a year extra.

I think Bozak's contract is fair, always liked his game but he has missed a good chunk of games the last 3 years which hurt the stat line. Smith can PP and PK as well. I agree in theory, your Center has more positional value but monetary value is up to someone's opinion in the sense of the person/GM offering the deal.

 

[The Madrigal]

Andrew Ladd last 3 years:
162 points in 237 games = 0.683 points per game

Smith last 3 years:
141 points in 245 games = 0.575 points per game

Ladd was a UFA who hit the open market. Smith was a RFA and yet Ladd got an AAV of 5.5 million which is only 500K more than Smith at 5 million. Nobody can hide behind the whole "one dimensional scorer" excuse with Ladd either when you consider the guy has cup winning experience, was a captain with Winnipeg, and is a physical presence who throws his body around a lot. Smith is younger though, I can give him that, lol.

 

[The Madrigal]

Troy Brouwer last 3 years:
125 points in 246 games = 0.508 points per game

Smith last 3 years:
141 points in 245 games = 0.575 points per game

Brouwer is another guy who hit the open market as a UFA versus Smith who signed as an RFA. Brouwer, like Ladd has cup winning experience, is a very physical player, and a guy who could never be accused of being a "one dimensional scorer." Pretty much everyone thought Brouwer was overpaid at 4.5 million on a 4 year term (myself included) and yet he still got less than Smith as a UFA. But hey, Reilly Smith is a total bargain at 5 million per, SMH.

 

[bigtim1988]

solid signing, maybe a lil high at 5 mil, but not horrible. kid has some talent, and not afraid to get into the dirty areas.


that panthers team is real good.

 

[IceManCat]

Troy Brouwer last 3 years:
125 points in 246 games = 0.508 points per game

Smith last 3 years:
141 points in 245 games = 0.575 points per game

Brouwer is another guy who hit the open market as a UFA versus Smith who signed as an RFA. Brouwer, like Ladd has cup winning experience, is a very physical player, and a guy who could never be accused of being a "one dimensional scorer." Pretty much everyone thought Brouwer was overpaid at 4.5 million on a 4 year term (myself included) and yet he still got less than Smith as a UFA. But hey, Reilly Smith is a total bargain at 5 million per, SMH.

I don't get the point of this? The Panthers don't need a player like Brouwer why would they pay Troy Brouwer. They needed a player like Smith who is younger and most importantly FASTER. Smith is entering his prime, Brouwer is at the tail end of his prime. Smith is expected to produce more during his contract years than Brouwer is. You would have to be an idiot to want an older and slower Brouwer for a younger and faster Smith. He got paid more because he is better and deservedly so. Stop stat watching your embarrassing yourself with non-sense arguments you don't even make sense and its beyond obvious you don't even watch any of these players play. Andrew Ladd, Troy Brouwer? They play nothing like how Smith plays totally different style.


Smith will be 30 at the end of his contract, Brouwer 34. Don't you think there is something to think about there?

 

[Redline]

Management can take a well deserved vacation now.

 

[The Madrigal]

I don't get the point of this?

It's not difficult. I am comparing Smith to players who have signed contracts this summer with the current salary cap as it is.

The Panthers don't need a player like Brouwer why would they pay Troy Brouwer.

You are right, you don't get the point.

They needed a player like Smith who is younger and most importantly FASTER.

Boedker is fast, more naturally skilled, and more productive offensively than Smith. He got a million less on the open market. So which one is it, they need someone faster and more productive, or someone better defensively?

Smith is entering his prime, Brouwer is at the tail end of his prime.

So 30 is old now? SMH.

Smith is expected to produce more during his contract years than Brouwer is.

Sure he is. Smith has averaged 47 points per season over the last 3, while Brouwer is right around 40 points. I never said anything different. Of course, over that same period of time Brouwer has 64 goals to Smith's 59 so goal scoring is pretty much a lock between the two.

You would have to be an idiot to want an older and slower Brouwer for a younger and faster Smith.

Again, I never said I would take Brouwer over Smith, or even that I would take Brouwer at 4.5 million over Smith at 5 million.

He got paid more because he is better and deservedly so.

That is a matter of opinion and for the five hundredth time please educate yourself on the difference between a UFA and RFA contract. Smith is certainly more productive offensively, while the two are very close in terms of goals so you are partially correct.

Stop stat watching your embarrassing yourself with non-sense arguments you don't even make sense and its beyond obvious you don't even watch any of these players play.

It's funny you said that considering I have proven that others have brought completely incorrect facts to the table in an attempt to win the argument, while I am using correct facts to support my opinion. At the end of the day this argument comes down to opinion but if you are going to use facts to help support your claims you might want to ensure that your facts are correct. Mine, I assure you, are. Others, not so much.

Andrew Ladd, Troy Brouwer? They play nothing like how Smith plays totally different style.

Andrew Ladd is a much better and impactful hockey player than Reilly Smith is and they are now a whopping 500K apart in AAV, which again, Ladd got on the open market as a UFA.

Smith will be 30 at the end of his contract, Brouwer 34. Don't you think there is something to think about there?

I never said it wasn't and never said I would take Brouwer over Smith. You might want to take the time to read what people type and not put words in their mouth.

 

[Rebels57]

Are people still defending this contract?

Hes overpaid. Pretty obvious. Not a terrible deal though.

The real losers here are the Bruins lol

 

[vendetta]

I would rather have Smith than Brouwer, I never said otherwise. I just find it amusing that everyone flipped out about how overpaid Brouwer is and yet he still got less than Smith ON THE OPEN MARKET and yet their numbers are comparable and both are good all around players.

It seriously baffles me how few people understand the concept of contracts given out on the open market a player gets as a UFA versus an RFA contract which gives the team far more control and negotiating power. All contracts aren't signed in a vacuum.

As for your last comment, you really need to heed your own advice. Andrew Ladd is a much better and impactful hockey player than Reilly Smith is and they are now a whopping 500K apart in AAV, which again, Ladd got on the open market as a UFA.

Holy **** now your comparing to ladd? Is this real life? U really embarrassing yourself now... u know ladd is expected to decline through his co tract right? Since he is older now than Smith will be at the end of his contract? Quit bringing up ufa and rfa.. only one of these years on this deal is as ufa the final 4 r ufa years in his prime.. this has become an absolute ****ing joke of an argument..