Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Seanaconda]

Nah, the worst people are those who can't figure out an obvious mean to change topic, and who can't keep to themselves about it.

I think there was a thread about pineapple on pizza if you would rather talk about that lol

 

[RegDunlop]

This is off topic but I pass as both m or f and it's wild how different men and women are just on dating sites. Like I didn't know I was supposed to be this aggressive as a man lol.

But men are aggressive but i sorta see why cuz I matched with like 50000 of them so you have to stick out I guess ?

What?
Men are aggressive? What an earth shattering discovery.
Are females emotional? That would be good to know!

Cheers

 

[MXD]

I think there was a thread about pineapple on pizza if you would rather talk about that lol

I definitely wouldn't care about it.

 

[Seanaconda]

What?
Men are aggressive? What an earth shattering discovery.
Are females emotional? That would be good to know!

Cheers

Hmmm that seems rude but unless you are bi or are ftm or mtf it's a perspective you don't get to see from both sides. Idk sorry for adding my thoughts of having flirted with both idk

When I say aggressive it's like won't leave you alone / won't take a hint is like common it's crazy. But idk

 

[ottawa]

Here is my absurd take ... but there is another side I don't see mentioned too often

Let's say the absolute most beautiful girl in the world is 100% consenting, sober and dying to sleep with 8 guys. This is her dream.

7 of my friends are in the room and fulfilling her 100% consenual fantasies. Her dreams come true.

They need an 8th guy to join in.. have sex with her, film it, take turns ...

They text me!!!

Hey Czechboy! We got the most beautiful girl in the world here.. all 7 of us are having sex with her, taking turns and filiming it. BUT, she really wants an 8th guy to join in... come on over.. we are in room 10 at the Sheraton. She is sober and consenting. Bring a condom and your phone.. it's going to be great!

My reply - f*** NO

I don't want to have sex with 7 of my buddies. I don't need to see 3 of them have sex with a girl while I record. I don't want to stand beside 2 friends while 5 have fun. This just isn't for me. Having sex with 1 woman while 7 buddies are watching doesn't seem appealing to me in any way, shape or form. I am probably not man enough or something. Guilty or not, I'm still shocked that 8 guys wanted to be in that room in anyway, shape or form.lol

I'll see myself out!

Wonder how this plays out IF she was sober...I'm assuming the players surrendering themselves doesn't mean they're guilty

“Are you recording me?” she asks. “Okay, good. It was all consensual. You are so paranoid, holy. I enjoyed it, it was fine. It was all consensual. I am so sober, that’s why I can’t do this right now.”

I feel like this video can go against her, but I guess it depends on if she was under duress at any point which would reflect poorly on the hockey players. She also did say she was drunk when she was instructed to say she was sober.

“I was really drunk, didn’t feel good about it at all after. But I’m not trying to get anyone in trouble,” she replied.

“I was okay with going home with you, it was everyone else afterwards that I wasn’t expecting. I just felt like I was being made fun of and taken advantage of.”

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I'll preface by saying that there's nothing wrong with group sex.

However, in the cases of hockey/jock culture i'd speculate it's more about teammates bonding by having power over/degrading women

Yeah there is definitely nuance. With teammates or frat guys, it has a different feeling

 

[Kane One]

Wonder how this plays out IF she was sober...I'm assuming the players surrendering themselves doesn't mean they're guilty

"“Are you recording me?” she asks. “Okay, good. It was all consensual. You are so paranoid, holy. I enjoyed it, it was fine. It was all consensual. I am so sober, that’s why I can’t do this right now.”

I feel like this video can go against her, but I guess it depends on if she was under duress at any point which would reflect poorly on the hockey players.

“I was really drunk, didn’t feel good about it at all after. But I’m not trying to get anyone in trouble,” she replied.

“I was okay with going home with you, it was everyone else afterwards that I wasn’t expecting. I just felt like I was being made fun of and taken advantage of.”

She could’ve also been hammered when she said that. If she was clearly drunk, it literally doesn’t matter what she said.

 

[RegDunlop]

Hmmm that seems rude but unless you are bi or are ftm or mtf it's a perspective you don't get to see from both sides. Idk sorry for adding my thoughts of having flirted with both idk

When I say aggressive it's like won't leave you alone / won't take a hint is like common it's crazy. But idk

It was a bit rude yes sorry.
But saying men are the aggressive gender is like saying grass is green

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I definitely wouldn't care about it.

But ... could you care less about it?

 

[ottawa]

She could’ve also been hammered when she said that. If she was clearly drunk, it literally doesn’t matter what she said.

She said she was drunk, I just edited that part in since it's important to mention. You replied too quickly but you're right.

 

[Seanaconda]

It was a bit rude yes sorry.
But saying men are the aggressive gender is like saying grass is green

True but like when I say aggressive I mean their dms talking to a person they haven't said hi to are aggressive in like ways I can't type out what they say lol

It's like shocking to experience it from both sides lol. But yeah I guess it's common

 

[AlphaLackey]

Same to you. Your thoughts are well reasoned and cogent, no doubt. And in principle, I agree that the fairness standard is uneven. Unfortunately that is the case in life — all manor of people deal with that as an every day fact of life. It runs the gamut across different races, sex, socio-economics, etc, etc.

I guess I look at it as a parent — hopefully a good one. I have a son and a daughter and I do treat them differently consciously, and probably more often than not subconsciously.

For example, I have talked to both of my kids about being alert to their surroundings and be mindful of taking bad risks. That said, I’ve emphasized that far more with my daughter. To use another example, I’ve talked with my daughter many times about being careful of open drinks in bars/parties (“I know Dad, we’ve talked about that you know?”). I’ve never talked to my son about that (perhaps I should, who knows?). Is it because I love him less? Absolutely not. It’s because I perceive the risk of that sort of thing is far far greater for her than him. And I think the facts are with me on that.

How many times have we heard stories about black parents talking to their kids about how to deal with being pulled over by the police? How brutal it must be to have to have that talk, and how patently unfair (but very wise IMO). I too have told my kids about this and guided them to be respectful and answer questions clearly and without attitude if in that situation. However, to equate the two would be disrespectful to those families who have far more clear and reasonable fears simply based on the color of their skin.

Is any of this fair or equitable. Absolutely not. However, my experience in life is that not everything is fair.

Does that mean we should not fight for equity and justice where necessary? Absolutely not and kudos to you for your work. In principle I agree with it.

That said one has to look no further than this thread for a sense of the problem. There are many in this thread that I would strongly dissuade my daughter from sitting down and having a drink with. Some of the perceptions and opinions are a bit frightening.

I got your DM and before we continue going off the rails, I responded there. I think there's some productive ground for us to cover.

She said she was drunk, I just edited that part in since it's important to mention. You replied too quickly but you're right.

It is absolutely possible that she was too intoxicated to consent; and if she was too intoxicated to consent and the boys were not, then it's about as slam dunk a case of statutory rape as possible.

 

[RegDunlop]

True but like when I say aggressive I mean their dms talking to a person they haven't said hi to are aggressive in like ways I can't type out what they say lol

It's like shocking to experience it from both sides lol. But yeah I guess it's common

Fair enough. I didn't realize you were only referencing how men act toward women. No argument there

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Nice. Personal attack and no way to report it.

You know what, I have and still would stand in between ANYONE SA someone and the victim. IE, put myself in harms way to do it. How about you? What exactly have YOU ever done other than chirp on an internet board? I thought so...

You'll stand between them after they're proven guilty in a court of law, you mean, right?

 

[MXD]

But ... could you care less about it?

I couldn't not possibly care no less about it.

 

[Seanaconda]

I couldn't not possibly care no less about it.

Would you eat it where pineapple was the crust?? Like instead of dough and then pizza stuff on top ?

 

[LesCanadiens]

Both sides are the same. Right.

Loud and clear.

Those are your words, not mine, dude. Bottom line is. You nor I, nor anyone gets to take the high-and-mighty throne to proclaim their views are the only ones that are right or that count. And this is the main issue generally speaking, IMO.

If you didn't grasp the spirit of my point, oh well. I tried and will not waste another second of my time to make it clearer for you. And you're just going to assume whatever you want, anyway. You've made that quite obvious.

 

[norrisnick]

Those are your words, not mine, dude. Bottom line is. You nor I, nor anyone gets to take the high-and-mighty throne to proclaim their views are the only ones that are right or that count. And this is the main issue generally speaking, IMO.

If you didn't grasp the spirit of my point, oh well. I tried and will not waste another second of my time to make it clearer for you. And you're just going to assume whatever you want, anyway. You've made that quite obvious.

Likewise, dude. Likewise.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Here is my absurd take ... but there is another side I don't see mentioned too often

Let's say the absolute most beautiful girl in the world is 100% consenting, sober and dying to sleep with 8 guys. This is her dream.

7 of my friends are in the room and fulfilling her 100% consenual fantasies. Her dreams come true.

They need an 8th guy to join in.. have sex with her, film it, take turns ...

They text me!!!

Hey Czechboy! We got the most beautiful girl in the world here.. all 7 of us are having sex with her, taking turns and filiming it. BUT, she really wants an 8th guy to join in... come on over.. we are in room 10 at the Sheraton. She is sober and consenting. Bring a condom and your phone.. it's going to be great!

My reply - f*** NO

I don't want to have sex with 7 of my buddies. I don't need to see 3 of them have sex with a girl while I record. I don't want to stand beside 2 friends while 5 have fun. This just isn't for me. Having sex with 1 woman while 7 buddies are watching doesn't seem appealing to me in any way, shape or form. I am probably not man enough or something. Guilty or not, I'm still shocked that 8 guys wanted to be in that room in anyway, shape or form.lol

I'll see myself out!

It's actually a great point. And I agree. Been in that position (no pun intended) a few times and declined for the same reasons you mention. I saw nothing fun about doing something like that.

Regardless if these guys are found guilty or not-guilty, they're idiots for thinking this was a good idea. And especially taking even the most miniscule risk of losing everything. For what? To high-five each other in the buff while engaging in this? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

[Mattb124]

You're telling me people are out there having sex, then pulling out their phone and asking women to confirm on video that they consented to sex with the filmer?

You are amazingly out of touch with where the world is on the topic of consent. There are a multitude of free legal forms available online that people print out and mutually execute prior to having sex to ensure they do not run into problems later on.

Sexual Consent (Contract) Form

A sexual consent form is a written agreement that relays in clear terms the intent of two consenting adults to participate in sexual acts together. The form allows the couple to enter the date and time the activity is to occur and list the exact permissions made by the consenting party.

eforms.com

 

[King'sPawn]

That's the whole point. You don't need to be proven innocent because the court presumes you are.

Meaning in the eyes of the court, the case will start from the assumption that you are innocent. Not proof, just an assumption. To be convicted it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you are guilty. If that does not happen then the court determines you are not guilty. It makes no determination of your actual innocence.

You're wrong. OJ was proven innocent of killing his wife

 

[inthewings]

You are amazingly out of touch with where the world is on the topic of consent. There are a multitude of free legal forms available online that people print out and mutually execute prior to having sex to ensure they do not run into problems later on.

Sexual Consent (Contract) Form

A sexual consent form is a written agreement that relays in clear terms the intent of two consenting adults to participate in sexual acts together. The form allows the couple to enter the date and time the activity is to occur and list the exact permissions made by the consenting party.

eforms.com

I've been told by a few people that I'm out of touch for doubting that it's now normal to make consent videos after sex. But nobody has shown me evidence that this is even remotely a normal or common thing that people do.

Maybe you can be the person who, after calling me out of touch, actually shows me evidence that post-sex consent videos are now a common occurrence.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I'll preface by saying that there's nothing wrong with group sex.

However, in the cases of hockey/jock culture i'd speculate it's more about teammates bonding by having power over/degrading women

People can do what they want consensually but...ew. Sorry, I see a lot wrong with it. To each their own though as long as no one's being hurt.

 

[Czechboy]

It's actually a great point. And I agree. Been in that position (no pun intended) a few times and declined for the same reasons you mention. I saw nothing fun about doing something like that.

Regardless if these guys are found guilty or not-guilty, they're idiots for thinking this was a good idea. And especially taking even the most miniscule risk of losing everything. For what? To high-five each other in the buff while engaging in this? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I'd legit be curious at what point a man says no.lol

most beautiful consenting girl in the world me and 1 friend.. 2 friends... 3 friends... 4 friends

These guys got to 8.lol

Obivously, situation reversed... me and 1 girl, 2 girls, 3 girls...

Totally different numbers.lol

 

[Gregor Samsa]

You are amazingly out of touch with where the world is on the topic of consent. There are a multitude of free legal forms available online that people print out and mutually execute prior to having sex to ensure they do not run into problems later on.

Sexual Consent (Contract) Form

A sexual consent form is a written agreement that relays in clear terms the intent of two consenting adults to participate in sexual acts together. The form allows the couple to enter the date and time the activity is to occur and list the exact permissions made by the consenting party.

eforms.com

Maybe this is common in swinger communities but no way is this normal in the everyday world. I’d love to see a girl’s reaction if a guy pulled this out. And that would hold no sway in a courtroom. Coercion is a big part of rape and people can be forced to sign their name.